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Walt Disney AND Jim Henson

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by Nicholas, Mar 9, 2003.

  1. Thank ya for the ego---I mean---confidence boost there, Manda! Huge I am!


    *stands erect, plants feet, flexes arms*

    *GRUNT!!!*

    :D
     
  2. sarah_yzma

    sarah_yzma Active Member

    oh gawd.....

    Sarah
     
  3. BoyRaisin2

    BoyRaisin2 Active Member

    Re: disney

    Jim Henson: The Works, p. 186 says:

    So radical were the advances that the word "puppetry" seemed insufficient to describe how many characters were brought into being. To characterize the blend of cable control and radio control used to bring Jen and Kira to life, Jim used the word "animatronics." Though there had been other pioneers of this technology, it was "The Dark Crystal" that really proved the viability of animatronics on a massive scale, and it is the Henson Creature Shop that has dominated the field ever since. -END-

    I don't exactly see your "point." Disney made (as in presented) their "Audio-Animatronics" technology in at least the early 1960s. Whether they invented it or not, I am not completely sure, though I think so. Jim and the Creature Shop definitely helped really evolve the form and perfected it, particularly for the use of films and TV, and it was really a breakthrough from traditional puppetry. But as for Jim inventing it and naming it, I don't think so. But he AND Walt Disney were geniuses in their own special ways. And if you saw the 2001 ABC documentary, "Walt: The Man Behind the Myth," you'll know that Disney didn't completely "bias Walt in his favor" in some parts.
     
  4. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member

    Anybody else smell that? :grouchy:

    Byron should go be on Are You Hot? if they have a "Do You Smell Goooood" category.

    I've never seen Are You Hot? What night does it come on?

    I have to admit to watching Am. Funniest Home Videos. There's just something about an idiot running himself full speed into a wall that kills me!! I think it's just funny to see how many more morons there are out there than just me. The unfunny ones are the obviously set-up videos. What really stinks about them is that the final 3 they choose to win the money never are funny ones. But, I like that show.
     
  5. C'irdan

    C'irdan New Member

    animatronics

    sorry about that...I didn't mean to exaggerate...but he did invent the word...and he really did improve the technology incredibly.

    I'm not saying that everything written about Walt Disney is biased...but come on! Most of it has to be...how else could they make any money off of it? And there's probably some biased henson stuff...but not as much because the company can't seem to make any money in the first place now a days now can it?

    I'm not trying to be extremist here, I hope you realize.

    :o
     
  6. Re: animatronics

    That seems to be the norm in the world, though...who would write about themselves and make 'em look bad, y'know?
     
  7. Kye

    Kye Member

    Rumors were circulating a few years back, that the disney family was trying to collect enough stock to boot out the devil, eisner. wheather or not this is true remains to be seen.
     
  8. BoyRaisin2

    BoyRaisin2 Active Member

    Re: animatronics

    It's all good. :cool:
     
  9. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member

    It has been proven recently that Walt Disney is a baby eating satanist, that he was responsible for all the missing elderly people at the local nursing homes and he put robots inside their bodies after he pulled their insides out and THAT, people, is where those life-like animatronic things come from!!!

    I know it's true! I read it in National Enquirer.


    Just kiddin. :D

    He never ate any babies.
     
  10. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Why the freaking freak did they bring back America's rednecks beating each other up for fun videos? Then they Moved the Drew Carey show to fridays to be killed by incessant 2 hour blacoks of AFV reruns.

    Granted, Drew wasn't as good as it used to be, but it was the second to last season anyway. Now it just died without any fan fare like Spin City.

    And I'm a celebrity.. ick (Luke, BTW, you'll love a Simpson's episode from this season when it comes to the UK... I'll tell yah later.. or heck, E-mail me for the detailes). I mean where there ANY celebrities on that show? Other than the guy from Life styles of the Blah and unimpressive (who hasn't got work since 1990) they were all G-list models.

    As for the edited moives, well, they do play good ones from time to time, and I watch it if the film is good and the Simpsons aren't on that Sunday, but what will they replace that with? Another lame copy of a British reality show?


    As for Disney... well, I don't want any Disney fans at my door trying to string me up by my neck, so don't read on..




    Why does everyone think Disney is the kindly ol' Uncle who makes fun little Micky Mice cartoons? I have figured out so much dirt on him, that I can't even think good things anymore. I'll keep some of the hard core things away, though. He was so right wing, anti communist. By that, he didn't like how the animators formed a union. And he was just awful to some guy that went to Russia to study art. Another Employee was actually shut out (Disney didn't like him, and he played nasty tricks on him to get him to quit or get fired) People were threatened to be fired if they even talked to the guy.

    But enough of that....
     
  11. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Most companies in this country don't like their employees to form or join unions. It isn't just Disney. In fact, the Walt Disney Company gives its workers great competitive programs. Not that I'm defending them. You just brought up and issue that I have a connection to. Unions can be both a good and a bad thing. Good that it gives some employees rights that they wouldn't otherwise have. Bad that some states require you to form a union to work at certain places (thought this was a free country). They have also brought down companies with their demonstrations - not their intention because everybody ultimately loses their job when all the strikers wanted was a bigger paycheck than the company can manage.

    So, you can't fault an employer for not liking unions. They can't prevent a person from getting a job because of union ties or even ask about it in most cases.

    Now, about Russia - there were many companies that blacklisted people who were even suspected of having communist beliefs. It was a different time in America and every entertainment company was doing the same thing. I'm surprised Walt didn't fire the guy. It was wrong, but the world was a much different place then.:concern:
     
  12. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member

    I had like a 4th cousin who was hired to work as an animator by Walt Disney himself, and when he was about to go out to work for him, he called because he hand pneumonia and was told that Walt said if he couldn't come out to work by the date agreed upon to not even bother, so this cousin guy of mine took an overdose of his medication and died.

    I obviously didn't know the guy, and only heard about this at a lame family reunion of folks on my dad's side of the family, with whom I'm very UNCLOSE to anyhow, so I don't know his name.

    I think it was his neice that told me about it, though.
     
  13. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member

    Actually, Disney does OFFER competitive benefits to its employees, but the most gigantic portion of its employees are all hired as part-time so that they do not have to pay benefits to their employees. Managers, directors, actors (motion picture and tv), and upper-management style people are the only full-timers that get paid bene's.

    This is one thing I definitely learned in my 4+ years at the Disney store and talking to folks who worked at the parks, studios, etc.
     
  14. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Of course, there is more stuff that I won't get into. He was decidedly anti-communist, and I wouldn't be surprised if he DID name names in the 50's.

    Plus, he didn't even create any of his own characters. Ub Iwerks did. Diz just stole all the credit. Even then, Mickey (and Oswald the rabbit) were just copies of Felix the cat. Though it is hard to say, since Felix looked like all the other cartoon cats at the time. Of coruse, there is another thing Diz stole from Felix, MERCHANDISING! Felix was the first cartoon character to be USED for Merchndising potentiaL!
     
  15. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member

    Seems all cartoons of that era look the same, but Walt did create the look of Mickey as a character, his wife named the character "Mickey." I don't think you can really say that the idea of merchandising is something that can be stolen, as otherwise you have JHC, WB, and any comic strip/book publisher is guilty of that.

    Heck, I'M guilty of that, because I have "Muley Merchandise" for sale.

    Walt was an innovator, but he was dirty behind the scenes (and as far as naming Commies, then that's fine as long as the folks he named were guilty).

    Then, there's a LOT we don't know about Jim that we prefer NOT to know; however, I don't think he was a dirty player behind the scenes and I DO believe it was his talent, and the talent of those around him, that got him where he wanted to go.
     
  16. JamieDenny

    JamieDenny New Member

    "Naming some Commies":mad: The land of freedom as long as you have the same views as McCarthy and Hoover? here's a list,
    Lauren Bacall, Humphrey Bogart, Clarke Gable amongst others, they weren't investiagted but they saw the harm that the witch hunt was doing.
    America wan't acting rationally when it came to anything they didn't understand in the 50's.
    People had their children taken away from them, gave names just so they could get away from the ordeal, commited suicide, were never able to work again anywhere let alone Hollywood. A few of the luckier ones were able to work abroad.
    The reason Hoover and McCarthy got away with it for so long was because the studio heads were scared about what would happen if McCarthy ever got round to them.
    It goes alot deeper than just 'naming some commies'
    :mad:
    Jamie
     
  17. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member

    I wasn't supporting 'naming commies' as much as supporting that if they were guilty then okay--and in order to be guilty it must be proven, right? That's what I'm saying, just without saying it.

    Besides, what was the big deal anyhow? Were they going to overthrow the government or something? I never studied that history.

    However, the Witch Trials I've studied, and I know that at least one-half of one person was slightly possessed by the devil himself. I think it was a man's middle finger, but I'm not sure.

    At any rate, his finger was burned at the stake.
     
  18. JamieDenny

    JamieDenny New Member

    Okay I apolgise for losing my temper. They were never going to overthrow the government, I think thats what the people in charge wanted the citizens of the usa to belive
    Jamie
     
  19. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member

    :eek:

    You lost your temper?

    :(

    I didn't realise you were fussing at me. :concern:

    I'm going to go sit in the dark and cry now.

    :cry:
     
  20. Okay, bein' one of the biggest lovers and studiers of Disney around here, I just can't let that go by un-noticed.

    Kev is right, Walt DID create Mickey, Lilian named him, Ub had nothin' to do with Mickey's creation, and Walt didn't steal anything.

    :grouchy:

    I'm tired of people pickin' on Walt and Disney, all cause it's such a good image. I know he had his flaws---and I have rare resources which have VERY limited accessibility---but no one is perfect, and Walt was certainly not an "uncreative thief".
     


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