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Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by Drtooth, Sep 27, 2006.
Now that sounds cool. That's something they should film and put on DVD!
Here's how I feel about CGI.
Well, completely CGI movies are fine with me. Every Pixar film has been awesome (but I think Finding Nemo is my least favorite... believe it or not I REALLY liked Cars!). There are a few other company CGI movies that I like. Shrek and Shrek 2 are good, and I loved Robots as well. Other than those ones, CGI movies don't even really interest me anymore unless they're made by Pixar.
As for CGI in live action movies, I'm pretty much against it. I mean when it's used correctly (like WETA did with Lord of the Rings) it can be good, especially when motion capture is used like for Gollum. But sometimes it just looks so obviously fake. It's like watching Who Framed Roger Rabbit but with characters from Toy Story, Shrek, etc.
Ummm I think I just got off topic kind of lol. About the Muppets, I do wish Disney would do something proper with them. I can't belive that it's taken over a year to release The Muppet Show season 2 on DVD. And the fact tha Eisner loved the Muppets is the one thing that's keeping me from being all "GRRR I hate Eisner!!!! "
Getting "un-muffled" a bit...
The original deal with Henson was totaly different from the one that eventually happened for political reasons and realities.
Whatever Disney was said to have paid for the Company (150 million?) was to include the services of Jim Henson. Eisner got p.o.'ed when he learned that Sesame was NOT part of the deal, since they wanted to control the pre-school toy market.
Henson died, Eisner lost Pixar and had to clean up his image with the stockholders along with satisfting his ego and helping to shore up the bottom line with more product to home video instead of successful first-run films and hit t.v. shows.
The new deal is based on merchandising and the video library which explains why the products division controls The Muppets while the rest of the Disney Co. tries to utilize them until they get their investment back. That's why we only see tons of new products and sparce new productions. As it should be (for them) Disney is concentraiting on their own assets, especially with Lassiter practicly running everything.
Once enough money changes hands and the 10 year aggreement lapses, it's doubtful we'll be seeing much of Kermit and his pals while Henson tries to be Lucas/Pixar/Disney II.
Are you saying that Eisner wasn't aware of who owned SS until after the deal was made? Wow, what a boob he must've felt like.
Tim, being so knowledgable and having worked with Henson, I'm curious on your opinion; based on your theory about the Muppets going scarce after their ten year agreement ends, what do you think the odds/possibilities are of Henson purchasing back the Muppets?
BY then they'll be as relevant as H R Pufnstuf.
Going back to the original post, I think the theory is off. If you look at what was going on behind the scenes at Disney there is very little connection between the Muppet deal and Pixar. Disney certainly wasn't buying the Muppets to make up for potentially losing Pixar. The Muppets aren't worth nearly as much and aren't nearly as important to Disney.
I think what really happened was the Muppet deal was an Eisner thing. Once he got booted out the Muppet brand was less of a priority for Disney's new CEO who was mostly focused on the Pixar deal, which is much more important to Disney's bottom line.
all I know, is if I had a hand in the Muppets(not literally!) or owned them...you;d be seeing a triumphantly glorious new Muppet film, prime time Muppet show that was smart, subversive but still appropriate for the family, and the magic would be back like nobodies business. People would see the Muppets as truly hip, yet every as zanily irreverent, and with a big heart. None of this classic retelling garbage, none of this reality tv spoofing stuff.
You'd have Muppets live from Time Square, interviewing people and having guests on. Youd have a truly edgy new Muppet show, with a great new roster of characters to compliment the old ones.
You'd see a new film that truly pushed the Muppet envelope, with bad guys straight out of Jim Henson creature shop, and the Muppet gang as a whole...just like in TMM and MTM having to take on this foe in the real world...perhaps in San Francisco, Tokyo or Manhattan again.
The Muppets would be as timely, fresh and innovative as ever...truly exciting.
Of course that's just me. Obviously the idiots at Disney have a much, DIFFERENT take on the matter.
I knowi t's easy to say what you could do, but how exactly would you go about doing it. Anyone can say "I would bring back the 'magic'.", but how? If it was really that easy it would have been done.
I loved Who Framed Roger Rabbit!
Really? It would be done if it could be? No, higher ups kill even the smallest of ideas. I'm really curious to hear what the central Muppeteers, JHC employees, former Muppet builders, and even yes...Eisner, feel about the current state of the Muppets.
There are so many small things they could do, that they aren't doing.
Oh well, I guess the big news is the Muppets have a nice new 2007 calendar out
Like what though? Sorry, but too many people here say they can do better, but there are few ideas. Maybe if those ideas were put up here we could maybe come together and maybe even send out some kind of proposal to the muppet holding company or something.
Oh me too! It's definitely one of my favorites! I wasn't bashing it or anything when I said that
I think thats just about what any fan would do or want to do lol
I'd also like to say that if Disney doesn't give a hoot about the muppet then why don't they just get rid of them and sell them to another company who really wants them...it just seems really silly to me....it's not that hard to make a good new muppet show just fallow what they did in the past and make it new...shesh.
... like NBC!
Yeah, that was one weird-arse deal when Oswald the Lucky Rabbit came to Disney for Al Michaels and some sports highlights to be named later. (MUFFIN)
Talk about threads you wish you'd spotted sooner. A friend and I were discussing this just the other day. I'm afraid the Muppets have slipped into nostalgia as far as Disney goes. First off, I'd have to say I agree with Beaker. I'd also love to have the "underlings" or as I prefer the heart and soul of the crew (the Muppeteers, builders, JHC employees, etc) speak up on what they really think about the take over. Going back to the orginal theory though, it oddly makes sense. Pixar, I believed bounced back and forth on being bought out by Disney. At one point (please somebody correct me if I'm wrong someone) I think Pixar said no way. Then suddenly the Muppets were bought out. Whether or not the theory is true...it makes some sense. Disney isn't the creative power it used to be. Pixar by far beats them in every release. It's been years since Disney has came out with a winner. The Muppets usually come out like gold with every theatrical release. Maybe...and I'm just throwing something else to debate about out there....Disney is buying out the truly great ideas shelving them to save their own behinds? That's muffining the thread though. Tim, like Vic said, you're very knowledgeable and have been there. What do you think about all this?
That's what we've been doing for 8 years on this forum/site
I t hink I'm just, well disappointed...again, you have Farscape, which didnt even last very long have this insanely huge and organized, very vocal amoun tof million sof fans vocally showing their views...and being heard.
And then there is Muppet fans...who are seen as a fringe, underground niche
cult by most, who when it's apparent the muppets have proverbially been stamped out(aside from the occational calendar, tv appearence and dvd reissue) it's kind of a "meh...least they had a few good decades" attitude.
Even if Disney doesn't do anything NEW with the Muppets I wish they'd do SOMETHING with the Muppets! Like just releasing the old Muppet stuff that I still haven't seen would be awesome. You know what else would be great? Proper 2-disc releases of every movie with loads of juicy bonus materials like deleted scenes and excellent interviews.
Oh yeah and re-release the soundtracks to the movies too. I'm very happy to have the songs I do from the Music, Mayhem, and More album from a couple years ago, but there are still a few songs I want (such as "I Hope That Somethin' Better Comes Along", "Night Life", "Cabin Fever", and more)
That new Christmas CD is something.
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