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What Miss Piggy should MR design?

Discussion in 'Muppet Replicas' started by frogboy4, Jan 21, 2008.

  1. Kermieuk

    Kermieuk Well-Known Member

    I also have to admit that Miss Piggy is my fav, and I want a poser of her more than any of the others.

    I have heard a few people say that the pig doesnt sell well, but in the 90's, Miss Piggy was on a seperate license, Company's making Muppets stuff had to pay extra for the license to make Miss Piggy stuff.

    Also, some companys make a whole range based on Miss Piggy, the nurse figurines for example, and I have heard of another new range of Miss Piggy sat in a high heal shoe figurine range, so I think she is still poular on her own right!

    I agree that the early design Piggy designs are better than some of the newer ones.

  2. uppitymuppity

    uppitymuppity Well-Known Member

    This one's for you Blinky...

    That's the spirit KermiUK!

    Oh and Blinkyfish - check wikipedia Miss Piggy - perhaps your financials aren't all there:

    Frank Oz has said that while Fozzie Bear is a two-dimensional character, and Animal has no dimensions; Miss Piggy is one of the few Muppets to be fully realized in three dimensions. She spawned a huge fad during the late '70's and early '80's, and eclipsed Kermit and the other Muppets in popularity, selling far more merchandise and writing a book that (unlike any of Kermit's books) wound up on top of the New York Times Bestseller List.
  3. muppetguy

    muppetguy Well-Known Member

    I'm soooo happy

    I'm happy that others are defending Miss Piggy. She is part of the main character group and she NEEDS to be made. I also agree with the comment that this isn't going to be a toy on a shelf in any toy store that might cost 6.99. True Muppet fans will purchase her. I love her and as I said before, CAN NOT WAIT TO GET MY OWN PIGGY POSER! Thank you both, uppitymuppity and Kermieuk for all the info you have given us!:) :mad:
  4. Mistersuperstar

    Mistersuperstar Well-Known Member

    During the late 70's and early 80's the Pig had her own glamour calendars, perfume, books and loads of stuff that didn't include the other Muppet characters. It has only been more recently, maybe due to her revamped image, that she has become less popular on the merchandising front. But then, if you have seen some of the newer Piggy plushes, you might understand why.
  5. Bear Man

    Bear Man Well-Known Member

    I find it kinda funny that people are asserting that Miss Piggy merchandise is extremely popular by using figures from the 80's and 90's when much more recent merchandising data, straight from the horse's mouth so to speak (eg Palisades) has shown that she is not as popular as the others. I agree that she should be made, and frankly think that she should come after Fozzie since I don't know that any other character would be popular enough to carry the line forward (fan reaction on this board, as Travis has pointed out, is not a good indication of how well a product would do in the general marketplace) - so if it's going to end, it may as well be with the Pig. But seriously, using public reaction from the 70's and 80's as a basis for how well something would sell 30 - 40 years later? I feel like I'm in a George Bush policy meeting...
  6. uppitymuppity

    uppitymuppity Well-Known Member

    Oh can it Bear - Palisades made 3 craptastick versions of piggy. You can't go on their figures - it's a 5 dollar toy for the mass market. This is a different market is what we are saying.:mad:
  7. Mistersuperstar

    Mistersuperstar Well-Known Member

    I guess the only way we will find out is if and when Piggy is made. It is true her popularity has waned in recent years but a full size Piggy replica might be the great seller we didn't expect. I must admit tho, I am glad Fozzie is coming out first. I would hate Piggy to ruin the line at all but in front of Fozzie would be a tragedy!
  8. uppitymuppity

    uppitymuppity Well-Known Member

    She's the sleeper hit in the lineup. Why? Every gay guy, drag queen, lesbian, & etc. will plunk down their credit cards if she looks right. They're not so into cheap plastic toys but a replica... Different story. Just my 2 cents.
  9. Was Once Ernie

    Was Once Ernie Well-Known Member

    I completely agree with you here. Besides Kermit, Rowlf is Jim's other main star character (excluding Ernie, who is part of a different universe).

  10. Bear Man

    Bear Man Well-Known Member

    I used Palisades as an example, not as the only company who have had trouble with Piggy, but certainly as one who did market research and can therefore speak to it in general, especially since some of that information came direct from the Henson marketing people who have seen Piggy do none-too-well at retail in the past few years.

    As for your second quote, love the generalisation. As a gay guy who knows many drag queens and lesbians (lesbians? Piggy? Where does that association come from?), I think maybe you should do a little more research yourself.

    I'm more than happy to let you have your two cents, but I get grumpy when told to "can it". With your great generalisations you should know how b*tchy us gays can get. ;)
  11. uppitymuppity

    uppitymuppity Well-Known Member

    Bear Man where is your sense of humor? I used the phrase "Can It" because it is something Miss Piggy would say... "Can it flipper face!" I was trying to be subtle and funny as Henson would.

    It may be somewhat of a generalization but, I stand by my "opinion" that she would appeal to those groups and more. You are acting as if she has absolutely nil salability and it's not true.
  12. Telly

    Telly Well-Known Member

    If I just get Kermit, Fozzie, Gonzo, and Piggy in the line. That'd make me happy. Rowlf, Scooter, Rizzo, and Pepe would be a granted wish!
  13. Bear Man

    Bear Man Well-Known Member

    I guess subtle humour doesn't translate that well in text - sorry for missing it.

    I'm not saying that no one would buy Piggy, just that since her prime years (not that I'm saying Piggy's past her prime, I don't want to incur any porcine wrath) she's proven to be a difficult product in the marketplace. I think it's great that a lot of people here want to buy her, but based on what we know of the broader market, it is incorrect for people to assert she would be a fantastic success.

    And as for generalisations about particular groups, well that's created a whole host of problems in this world that is well beyond the scope of this little discussion thread. Suffice to say that my sense of humour may well become thinner around some things because I've had a lifetime of people making assumptions and stereotyping. And if Henson had done that then I don't think we'd have half of the funny and unexpected characters to laugh with that we now do.
  14. uppitymuppity

    uppitymuppity Well-Known Member

    You have got to be kidding me? Henson drew so many generalizations to hysterical results. That is a big part of comedy and drawing characters for entertainment. Think of the lobster banditos or the swedish chef or Sam the eagle... Those are all characters based on stereotypes but, effectively humorous ones. You should go back and review the material...


  15. MuppetCaper

    MuppetCaper Well-Known Member

    Just give me the darn pig and I will be happy with that!

    Telly....how's your pupils been lately? ;)
  16. Mistersuperstar

    Mistersuperstar Well-Known Member

    I have to agree with Uppity there. Stereotypes have been used consistantly in the past from Henson, Disney and other world famous companies. It is only over the last few years where people have looked at this stuff and thought there might be a problem with it. Me, for instance, have long hair, am 6'4 tall and occasionally wear gothic make-up. Sometimes you gotta come down to earth and realise that people are actually getting at you as a person, just the image or stereotype you happen to fit into. Everybody has something about them that another group of people can make fun of and it's up to the individual whether they take it too heart or not.
    I still stand by the fact that we don't know whether Piggy will be a good seller but going by recent Muppet sales, Piggy hasn't been one of the best lines.
  17. Mistersuperstar

    Mistersuperstar Well-Known Member

    I still say "Bring on the Pig!" either way. What an addition to an already great collection.
  18. Bear Man

    Bear Man Well-Known Member

    You're exactly right with your choice of words "effectively humorous [generalisations]". Henson's generalisations were tempered by humour, which, again, I don't see in your post. Also, except in highly secondary characters like the banditos, his stereotyping was carefully used with a satirical edge like in his depiction of the blindlessly patriotic Sam. I don't accept your example of the Swedish Chef as a stereotype since all that is being generalised is the Swedish language, and even that the Jim Henson company in the Chef's "bio" has said wasn't necessarily Swedish, that was just the closest guess they could get.

    But all of this is secondary to the topic of this thread, which everyone else should feel free to get back to discussing. Uppity, it's clear that I took offense at some of your comments where none was necessarily intended, and have since become annoyed by your dismissive tone, which I am less sure is unintended. If you want to continue this discussion via PM I'm more than happy to continue to press my point of view around the damage generalisations can do, but I don't think this thread is the place for it.
  19. Mistersuperstar

    Mistersuperstar Well-Known Member

    I take it from the avatar and name, Bear Man, that you will be looking forward to the release of our beloved furry, funny, fabulous Fozzie replica!
  20. Bear Man

    Bear Man Well-Known Member

    Let's just say that once a release date for the Bear is announced Travis had better hope there are no factory delays, or he may wake up with a foam horse's head in his bed.

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