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What Muppet Fans Are Thinking About

Discussion in 'Classic Muppets' started by Muppet Master, May 20, 2014.

  1. Ladywarrior

    Ladywarrior Well-Known Member

    also is Pepper REALLY floyds last name and was he ever really a sergeant? and is dr. teeth really a doctor of something or did he just choose that for his stage name. like how dr. fate isn't really a doctor at all.
  2. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    The only official source I've seen where he's called Sgt. Floyd Pepper was The Muppet Show Book (and I think there are instances there where it's shortened to Sgt. Pepper instead of just Floyd), though I feel like I've seen at least one other official thing in recent years where the Sgt. part was included. Floyd refers to himself as Floyd Pepper in the Kaye Ballard episode, his last name is in the credits for The Muppet Movie (when I first noticed the Pepper I thought it was the name of a different character, and wondered who "Pepper" was) and I think in the credits for the last two movies.
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  3. Ladywarrior

    Ladywarrior Well-Known Member

    i sill have a bit of hard time imagining someone like floyd being in the armed forces.
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  4. Gonzo14

    Gonzo14 Well-Known Member

    The Only Character to Appear in ALL episodes of both The Muppet Show and Muppets Tonight is Waldorf.

    Statler is in Second Place, only having missed TMS 413: Dizzy Gillespie, where he was replaced with Astoria

    Kermit comes in 3rd, having missed 2 episodes of Muppets Tonight, The Best of Muppets Tonight and Johnny Fiamma Leaves Home.

    I thought this was interesting.
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  5. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    Well, the "Sgt." and "Pepper" thing is obviously a Beatles reference. Though, I also think I recall in that John Denver special, Floyd saying something about having been in the war. I'll have to watch it again.
  6. Ladywarrior

    Ladywarrior Well-Known Member

    you mean floyd really WAS in a war?! Laid back easy going floyd pepper?!
  7. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Craig Shemin has said that Disney doesn't archive acquired properties, so The Jim Henson Company Archives still has all pre-2004 physical Muppet items (I wonder if Disney archives Muppet stuff from after 2004, or if other archives keep the later Muppet stuff). I wonder if The Jim Henson Company has special sections in its archives/other storage places for Muppet (and Sesame Street) stuff. The Henson Company still has the old puppets, but it would probably be beneficial for Henson to have all Muppet and Sesame puppets in a special place so that they don't accidentally include Disney-owned characters in their productions (though some minor characters who should be owned by Disney have surfaced in Henson productions, and some minor characters created for Henson-retained/owned productions have surfaced in Disney's Muppet productions, and a few such characters have even surfaced on Sesame Street, but I guess they don't care that much about the really minor characters.... And now I wonder if there'll ever be any Muppet productions that accidentally include any Puppet Heap puppets (not created for the Muppets) in the background).

    Though it seems like even when The Jim Henson Company owned everything (Muppet-wise), they made an effort not to include minor non-Sesame Street characters on Sesame Street, and not to include minor Sesame Street characters in other Henson productions unless it was supposed to be a crossover (and yet I've heard that a Kangaroo puppet that first appeared on Sesame Street popped up in Muppets Most Wanted). Though there have been a few exceptions.

    I also wonder if the master tapes have any special stickers or labels indicating whether something is owned by Disney or Henson. Maybe that's why that big document book on the 2004 sale included a list of Henson-retained productions in addition to the Muppet and Bear TV and film library. Though I'm pretty sure that the Henson Company archives has copies of plenty of Muppet guest appearances and such that other companies have the distribution rights to, wouldn't be surprised if all master tapes/film reels have the distribution company listed.
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  8. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Ever since the start of the Old School DVDs, I've often noticed how The Count seems to have been under-represented in the bonus segments included, not to mention being under-represented in 40 Years of Sunny Days. With the first Old School, there's only two seasons where he was on the show, so it's a little excusable. But then volumes 2 and 3 don't have any bonus features with The Count (aside from him appearing in scenes before the credits crawls). On Volume 2 at least he does appear in most of the episodes included, while on volume 3 he's hardly in any of the episodes, with one segment having to be cut, and another just being his voice. In 40 Years of Sunny Days, he does get a minor role introducing the various five-year periods, but the set only has two segments where he's a featured character, and a handful of additional background appearances.

    But then I've been looking at track listings for a number of Sesame Street albums, mainly the more comprehensive "best of the best" sets, and even not-quite'comprehensive "best of the best", and in those he tends to get underused as well. The track listings I looked at were for 25 Greatest Hits, 10th Anniversary Album, Sesame Street Platinum, Platinum Too, Sesame Street Best, and Songs from the Street. And for the most part, all of those just have one segment where he's the main singer, a few have two, in addition to a few where he's just part of the gang and doesn't have much dialogue (in fact, on Sesame Street Best it looks like the only song with The Count is Do Dee Rubber Duck, where he only gets one line). I should have looked at the track listing for Sesame Street Celebrates, but there's probably not much of The Count on there, either.

    It's also similar with the 25th and 35th anniversary videos. They both have only one song segment starring the Count, as well as him being in a handful of other songs (and both include Do Dee Rubber Duck). Of course in the 25th anniversary video he is in a lot of linking footage. While I was looking at the song listings, I've found that What's the Name of That Song? has a lot less songs. I thought they were both the same length, but the 25th anniversary has 23 song segments (counting the three-parts of Feel the Beat and the songs in the Rubber Duckie medley as separate songs) while the 35th has only 13 segments (17 if you count the bonus clips). Of course that's not counting songs that appear in the linking footage.

    The Count is one of the shows most popular characters and yet it's odd that he seems to get the shaft when it comes to releases celebrating the anniversary or aimed at older fans or generally provide the best of the best. Big Bird, Ernie, Bert, Cookie Monster, Grover, Oscar, and Elmo all tend to get featured a lot more than The Count in these, so it's not like they're not allowed to have too much of the same character. Maybe Ernie, Bert, Cookie Monster, and Grover have a lot more well-known songs and sketches that need to be featured on albums and videos (if I was in charge I'd probably include them the most but I'd still include more of The Count than what these have been including). And The Count isn't the most-underused main Muppet in things like this - it seems like Telly, Mr. Snuffleupagus, Baby Bear, and Rosita get similar under-representations in such things, and Zoe gets included a lot in these kinds of videos but not albums (as Zoe wasn't around for too much longer before they pretty much stopped making new Sesame Street albums). Kermit is a similar case, as most albums celebrating Sesame Street or focusing on the best of the best have just one, maybe two, Kermit songs (and Bein' Green is almost always among them), while the 25th and 35th anniversary videos each have one Kermit song plus Do Dee Rubber Duck, but then the Old School releases have plenty of Kermit in the bonus features (on volume 2 he's among the characters featured in the highest number of bonus clips, and on volume 3 he's tied with Big Bird for appearing in the most bonus clips). As I've said many times (and a few others have as well), The Count hasn't even gotten his own character spotlight video.

    Of course I wouldn't say that The Count is one of my top ten favorite characters. I wouldn't include him in a list of my top ten favorite Sesame Street characters, and I think he'd barely even make my list of top ten Jerry Nelson characters (now if it were a list of top ten Sesame Street characters performed by Jerry Nelson it'd be better). There are a lot of great sketches with The Count, as well as a lot of rare skits I really want to see. It's not like the majority of his appearances were in street scenes (like Big Bird, Oscar, and Snuffy) that would be hard to include on compilations of inserts.
  9. Bliffenstimmers

    Bliffenstimmers Well-Known Member

    There's a few other big ol' compilation albums, 60 Favorite Songs from Sesame Street, that as far as I can tell only has 2 songs with the Count in them (The Song of the Count and his lines in What's the Name of That Song?) and Sesame Street Treasury which probably has the most Count songs (Hands, Eight Beautiful Notes, What's the Name of That Song and possibly What Makes Music, if it's the disco version, which version it is isn't cited)

    Though he does make prominent appearances on some of the videos, it really is kind of a shame they hadn't done a Best Of The Count type video yet. I'm sure there could've been plenty to work with...
  10. Ladywarrior

    Ladywarrior Well-Known Member

    did dr. teeth lose his tooth in a fight? these are the questions that plague my mind.
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  11. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Today I found out that the next Sesame Street DVD will be Count on Elmo and, according to Muppet Wiki, the main feature is the episode where The Count gets his noble prize. It makes me wonder if it'll have additional Count segments interspersed (much like Elmo's Music Magic and Elmo's Super Numbers had inserts interspersed with a street story). Of course if it is a Count spotlight video then it is sad that Elmo's name is in the title (and the bonus features are more Elmo-features than Count-features). We'll know for sure by July 7.
  12. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I've been thinking about Tough Pigs' Muppet Vaults. I haven't been to any, as I live a few states away and can't really justify the trip just to see a Muppet screening (even if it is a good cause), so it would be kind of pointless for me to make wishlists of what kinds of vaults there should be and what clips should be included. Of course that hasn't stopped me from thinking up a few wishlists on occasion.

    But last week I suddenly thought of something that might make for a good vault (though I'm not sure how marketable it would be, but I also don't know how important marketability is for these): The Best of the Worst of the Muppets! It could have the best clips from the worst Muppet productions (or at least the ones that fans consider the worst, if they do this maybe they should look at the "Best of the Muppets at Their Worst" article series on The Muppet Mindset).

    The worst things do have their best, though it might be hard to pick something from the Lady Gaga special (maybe the opening number and auditions sequence). The "Brick House" sequence from Muppets from Space would be a must. I'd say "Life as a Pet" is one of the high points from Kermit's Swamp Years, and "The Witch is in the House" and "When I'm with You" high points from The Muppets' Wizard of Oz. Hmm, I wonder if a screening of the best moments from the worst productions would include any of Jim Henson's lesser works (while some are not perfect or very great, I don't think anything Jim Henson did is bad enough to be considered the "worst"). Could they pick out the best of Peek-A-Boo (I'd pick the opening song as the best)?
  13. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    They could always have a poll on there forums about which the fans think is the best and worse. Have you tried to bring the idea up to them?
  14. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I've noticed over the years that Frank Oz has never provided audio commentary on any Muppet DVDs (not even The Dark Crystal or MTM). For awhile I wondered if that was because of his busy directing career, though he has provided commentary for some of his past films (Little Shop of Horrors, and I think he did commentary for Bowfinger), or maybe because he had distanced himself from the Muppets. Of course there's also the fact that there have been very few Muppet/Henson productions that actually have commentary by the performers as themselves (I think the Dinosaurs commentary tracks are the only ones, not counting Brian Henson doing commentary on MCC or MTI because he only directed those). But something else hit me: In interviews, Frank Oz tends to cuss a lot. Could it be possible that he hadn't done commentary on any Muppet DVDs because he didn't want to accidentally cuss during the commentary?
  15. JimAndFrank

    JimAndFrank Well-Known Member

    I doubt Frank would have any problems with cussing; there's a forty minute interview I've watched where he kept his language quite clean. I think it's more the fact that he feels like his time with the Muppets ended once he retired and doesn't see the point in looking back just for a commentary. It's not that he doesn't care, he'd just prefer to move on with his life.
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  16. Ladywarrior

    Ladywarrior Well-Known Member

    wilL kemit and piggy, camillia and gonzo, and floyd and janice ever get married?
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  17. Whatnot1988

    Whatnot1988 Well-Known Member

    Minor Muppetz' comment about Frank swearing in the commentaries to his own films reminds me of something found in season 3 in TMS. In the sketch where Fozzie is seen sawing a robot in half, the robot begins to whine ("Mama, mama!"), after which Fozzie tells him to shut up. What Fozzie said (to my ears at least), sounded something like "Oh, shut the--" (as if he was about to say "Oh, shut the **** up!"). It really bugs me that Frank almost made Fozzie drop an f-bomb (or h-bomb) on international family TV--a huge taboo now, but an even bigger taboo in 1978!
  18. Muppet Master

    Muppet Master Well-Known Member

    Well, it was primetime, not anywhere near as bad if he did it in Sesame Street, so that is about what I think.
  19. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Been thinking about how the majority of Sesame Street anniversary/greatest hits albums tend to have at least a few tracks that feel a bit random (the same can be said for most character spotlight albums and videos). Which gets me trying to determine which one has the best representation of the songs that are considered the best of the show, the ones everyone knows about. And of course some have the unfair advantage of having multiple records and discs, but would a single-disc release celebrating the best-known songs have the least amount of "random" songs than a multi-album set?

    Of course there are a lot of well-known Sesame Street songs to include in a release of the most essential songs, and it can be a struggle balancing between the songs everyone expects and more obscure songs fans might want, or pleasing the casual fans (who may not have every album) who want the songs they expect as well as the hardcore fans who have multiple copies of many of the best-known songs and want stuff not on previous albums.

    But even with songs that seem like random choices, there are a lot of well-known songs that have not had any official audio releases. Surely they could have found room for such songs as Imagine That, Bert's Blanket, and Wheels on my Feet on Sesame Street's Best or Songs from the Street.
  20. AnimatedC9000

    AnimatedC9000 Well-Known Member

    Today is the 26th anniversary of The Jim Henson Hour. Oh wow.

    I'm bot excited and apprehensive about this, mainly because, well, I co-run a fan blog for the show on Tumblr. And while I am excited that I've gotten pretty decent response so far, right now, I'm second-guessing my organization skills for this whole thing.
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