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Where's the love for Rocky and Bullwinkle?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by D'Snowth, Nov 12, 2009.

  1. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    The one thing that kind of distracted me about the character designs was how Boris's outfit is now rendered in detail, making it look like he's actually wearing a 60s-era spy suit. Not something that I either love or hate, but it did distract me at first.

    But I must say, I kind of how the characters (aside from Rocky and Bullwinkle themselves) look, especially how Captain Peachfuzz has googly eyes like Cookie Monster (and it was amusing to see him work the turntable).
     
  2. Pig's Laundry

    Pig's Laundry Well-Known Member

    Oh yeah, that's another thing I liked: all the cameos from other characters like Duddley Do-Right and Snidely Whiplash. Too bad they didn't shove Peabody and Sherman in there too, but I guess they already have their own franchise now.
     
  3. Erine81981

    Erine81981 Well-Known Member

    Yeah this was a special feature on the "Peabody and Sherman" Movie Blu-ray edition. I got to see it. I had saw it at a store but when I saw that it was shot in 3-D then I thought well I don't have a 3-D player and my good friend told me that you don't have to worry you can still watch it. It won't be rendered if you watch it on a regular blu-ray player. So I bought it (to be able to watch the Peabody and Sherman movie) but also to see the Rocky and Bullwinkle short. I love me some of them. That's what I watched on Nick. I told my mom (since at the time she watched "All My Children") that Rocky and Bullwinkle are to me like my Soap Opera. There were always twist and turns with it.
     
  4. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I've recently been thinking about the old Rocky and Bullwinkle VHS releases from Buena Vista Home Video. I've recently read that R&B was the first franchise released on video by Buena Vista, which Disney had just started as a label to release properties that the company only had the video rights to. And it seems odd that none of the Walt Disney Home Video releases seem to advertise it.

    Various Walt Disney Home Video releases of the 1990s had mini-catalogs, which advertised videos from both WDHV and Buena Vista (and Jim Henson Video, though JHV was part of Buena Vista Home Video). Some of the Walt Disney Home Video releases had advertisements for other releases from Buena Vista/Jim Henson Video (like the Chipmunks releases and many of the Muppet ones) before the programs started. At first the Jim Henson Video releases seemed to exclusively feature promos for other Jim Henson Video releases under the "coming attractions" but eventually also advertised other releases (though The Muppet Christmas Carol video release did have a promo for Aladdin).

    But it seems like the Bullwinkle releases weren't advertised in other videos. The Bullwinkle videos had their own mini-catalog advertising just the Bullwinkle videos, and the Bullwinkle videos were the only things advertised on the tapes themselves (no promos for any other Buena Vista or Walt Disney Home Video releases). I wonder what the deal was here.
     
  5. Bliffenstimmers

    Bliffenstimmers Well-Known Member

    I never caught wind of it til just a few days ago, but someone on Tumblr has been doing a Rocky and Bullwinkle fanfic sort of radio drama thing. They're doing a story that is a sequel to "Upsidasium" and there are some occasional nods to the Bullwinkle fandom, small as it may be. It's also done live, so the pacing is kind of off, but there is also audience participation.

    I've only heard the first five episodes, but in my opinion it generally has the same type of feel. Some parts linger on longer than they ought to, but I'm not dissatisfied with it in the long run. For a person like me, starved of new Jay Ward material, this fits the bill well enough.
     
  6. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Reminds me of a fanfic I discovered so many years ago (back when internet was still relatively new to me) that was basically THE ROCKY HORROR PICTURE SHOW, just with Rocky and Bullwinkle characters in all the parts. I recall Rocky and Bullwinkle were the ones who stumbled onto the Frankenstein Place, and I think maybe Snidely Whiplash was Dr. Frank-n-futter, I don't remember.

    This was when I was a kid and didn't know what RHP was, so I don't even remember if I understood it or not, lol.
     
  7. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Just yesterday I realized the meaning of one line that I hadn't gotten.

    It was in the Bullwinkle's Corner segment Hickory Dickory Dock. When the stubborn mouse won't run down the clock, Bullwinkle points out that he's supposed to run down, and the mouse says "in my script it's the clock that runs down".

    All this time, I thought that line was odd. I think I even thought so as a kid. But now I realized something about it - the line is "the clock struck one and down he run" - the he obviously means the mouse, since the mouse is the only one who could have run down, but it seems the mouse thinks that the he of that line is the clock. Rather than meaning "the clock struck one and down the mouse run", he thinks it's "the clock struck one and down the clock run".

    Not the first Bullwinkle joke where I was really late getting it, and I won't be surprised if it's not the last.
     
  8. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    So as I understand it, AESOP AND SON was created as something of a replacemment for FRACTURED FAIRY TALES, but apparently viewers didn't like it and complained, thus bringing FRACTURED FAIRY TALES back . . . but, both shorts are really, really similar to each other, in fact, the main difference between the two is AESOP AND SON has a framing device that FRACTURED FAIRY TALES lack, but structurally, both shorts are still pretty much the same.
     
  9. ZeppoAndFriends

    ZeppoAndFriends Well-Known Member

    I don't know if you've found this out on your own in the 8 months since that post, but it wasn't June playing Natasha. It was Lauri Fraser.
     
  10. Pig's Laundry

    Pig's Laundry Well-Known Member

    Hm, that makes sense. Well, she did a great job.
     
  11. C to the J

    C to the J Well-Known Member

    You know, I've always pondered a couple of possible replacements for June Foray as the voice of Rocky.

    1. Tress MacNeille - like June, she not only does many voices for women and girls, but she is pretty good at voicing boys. Junior Asparagus in the Netflix-exclusive VeggieTales TV series would be somewhat equivalent to Rocky.

    2. Phyllis Smith - most of us best know her for performing Sadness from Inside Out. There are some instances where her voice makes me think of how Rocky would sound if he was gloomy.
     
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  12. ErinAardvark

    ErinAardvark Well-Known Member

    My parents named their kittens Boris and Natasha. Does that count?
     
  13. MikaelaMuppet

    MikaelaMuppet Well-Known Member

    And The Office.
     
  14. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I've been thinking about this quite a bit recently, but it seems like while the show was a big hit and has had merchandise and such, it seems like it's not that big, maybe even more underground than the Muppets (though maybe more "cult").

    It seems the characters haven't really been in much else besides the original series. Yeah, we had Rocky and His Friends and The Bullwinkle Show, but they're pretty much the same show. And the characters have been in many commercials, both during the shows run and after. Aside from that, there's been four movies, two shorts, the Mr. Peabody Netflix series, The Dudley Do-Right Show (which didn't really have any new material), a live show at Universal Studios, and a Chuck E. Cheese-type restaurant, and I think there's plans for either a new CGI Bullwinkle movie or series. There's also Hoopity Hopper, which is kinda like a sixth season of the original series but with only the main segment replaced, all supporting segments being repeats of what was already shown on the Rocky and Bullwinkle Show, but Bullwinkle, Boris, and Dudley Do-Right all made guest appearances in the Hoopity Hopper segments, and the Bullwinkle puppet appeared in a Fractured Flickers episode.

    And that's not to mention the fact that there were plans for things that did not get produced. There were plans for a New Bullwinkle Show, with audio at least recorded for a pitch tape (I had thought it was animated, but I saw a post on the Jay Wards Wacky World Facebook page, stated by Keith Scott, that only audio was recorded), and I recently learned that the theatrical Fractured Fairy Tale short was originally written to be part of the show. And there were plans for a Bullwinkle SuperBowl special which got canceled when the NFL threatened to sue whoever would sponsor it. And of course back when Disney had the video rights somebody pitched a new Bullwinkle series, mistakenly thinking the company owned the characters.

    It would have been great if we had more Bullwinkle productions on a scale similar to Muppets, Disney, Looney Tunes, Scooby Doo, Tom and Jerry, and other long-running franchises. Of course Bullwinkle seems toe Jay Wards biggest hit. Crusader Rabbit might have run as long but isn't remembered, George of the Jungle seems to be big despite the original series only having 17 episodes. But the other shows only lasted a season, if they got past the pilot stages.
     
  15. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I think perhaps it's because Rocky and Bullwinkle always engaged in ample amount of adult humor (not vulgar like Simpsons or Family Guy, more like topical and political humor) that goes right over the kids heads and only adults understand - even moreso than anything else you've mentioned . . . and considering how dumb kids are today from watching so much SpongeBob, there probably isn't a market for Rocky and Bullwinkle without compromising the source material's integrity by dumbing it down so much that it would appeal to kids and turn off adults.
     
  16. LittleJerry92

    LittleJerry92 Well-Known Member

    I still have my Rocky and Bullwinkle plushies.

    Is it sad I want to re-watch the live action movie just to see how it stands out for me as an adult?
     
  17. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I consider the movie an example of what it was like when remakes used to be good. Was it the greatest movie ever? No. But, it not only was true to the original source material, but it also managed to poke fun at itself while still remaining true to itself. Why? Because even back then, the original show would occasionally poke fun at itself.

    Not to mentionn, it offered a decent plot exposition as to why Rocky and Bullwinkle are out of place in the modern world: their cartoon world was literally frozen in time when the show was canceled in the 60s, so they didn't experience the progression of the ensuing decades like the 70s, 80s, or 90s. This actually made sense. What I never understood is how in the two Brady Bunch movies, the Brady's were somehow frozen in their 70s world while the rest of the world around them progressed . . . and how is it they never even aged since the 70s either?
     
  18. LittleJerry92

    LittleJerry92 Well-Known Member

    That's another thing.

    I haven't seen it since it came out in theaters.

    Like, man. I'd be down to watch it on amazon or something....
     
  19. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I see it on cable from time to time, like on HBO or something like that, but I have a DVD copy of the movie (I say "copy" because I transfered it from the VHS release).
     
  20. LittleJerry92

    LittleJerry92 Well-Known Member

    Why not just....

    Get it on DVD?
     

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