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Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by caper, Jun 29, 2012.

  1. jvcarroll

    jvcarroll Well-Known Member

    To me that's like saying everyone has to kid-proof their home just in case some parent decides to break in a person's house and abandon their child there. :eek: I don't think everything has to be for kids or kid safe. It's up to the parents to investigate what their children are exposed to.
  2. Pinkflower7783

    Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member

    Anyone watch Japanese anime before? I'm just saying.

    The truth is is kids are gonna be exposed to all kinds of things good or bad on tv. And many, many, many, other things in this world. You can't keep your children in a bubble it doesn't work that way. Their gonna be exposed to everything in life before their an adult. I think it's a personal decision on a parents part what they deem is appriopriate and inappropriate for their kids.
  3. Dominicboo1

    Dominicboo1 Well-Known Member

    That is true! There is no black or white in this issue. Now if white was mointoring what your kids view, and black was letting them watch whatever and grey was watching it WITH your kids and spending time with them, I'm afraid some parents I know lean towards black.
  4. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Agreed. That's why the movie is rated R and all the previews have been of him drinking, doing pot, sitting around with hookers, lusting after women, and basically doing very un-kid friendly things. If, after that, anyone wants to take their 2 year old to see it, they're the dumbest and laziest parents in the world. As much as the story seems like out of a 1980's kids movie (the satire Seth was going for), it isn't for kids. Though I will say the previews hide the fact that there is a reasonable amount of sweetness in there.

    I openly despise the thought that animation is a kids only medium. It never really was. I don't think any kid of any age from any era would have had much enjoyment in Betty Boop cartoons... and the Tex Avery Big Bad Wolf and Red Hot Riding Hood cartoons were made specifically as entertainment for WW II soldiers before being shoved into Kid friendly TV compilations. I think that's the problem right there... the advent of TV solidified the fate of cartoons being for kids at some point. Definitely not the Flintstones, though.

    Sure, there are a LOT of poorly made, slap dash, shock humor crap that follows in South park, Family Guy, and Adult Swim's footsteps (remember Striperella? Other than being a titanic failure?)... but I'm not going to deny the actual good stuff for not being appropriate for all ages.

    Heck, even in the all ages stuff, there's a crapload of adult innuendo that rarely gets picked up by the censors. Only times they really hit are Rocko episodes (Rocko working at a Phone Sex line and grabbing the wrong kind of berries) and that Cow and Chicken that was just written to make fun of lesbians (which is a HILARIOUS episode).
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  5. fictionalnice

    fictionalnice Well-Known Member

    I respect everyone's opinions. But, to me the muppets will always be those unique puppets who sing, dance, and are actually real. To me, in my own opinion, it wouldn't be the same if they became CGI. It wouldn't be as magical. to me, the whole wonder of this epic phenominon is that they are realalistic, and I wouldn't want it any other way.
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  6. Pinkflower7783

    Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member

    Some of you people should really go to Japan. No offense but the Japanese laugh at us over stuff like this when it comes to what's inappropriate and appropriate for kids. I tell you their cartoons make American cartoons look like preschool stuff. I'm just saying.
  7. fictionalnice

    fictionalnice Well-Known Member

    Huh...I wouldn't really know, but I do know that japan is very...uh...ahead of us.
  8. Pinkflower7783

    Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member

    I can't speak for other countries but IMO at least in America parents are wayyyyyyy too sensitive when worrying about what their kids can and can't watch. There's no such thing as that in Japan. What Japan and America deem as appropriate for kids is like day and night. Unlike America, Japan doesn't look at cartoons as just being Mickey Mouse.

    You don't even have to go to Japan just watch some it find clips on YouTube I'm telling you if parents watched it they might think twice about how bad American cartoons are but again I'm just saying.
  9. fictionalnice

    fictionalnice Well-Known Member

    you do have a very valid point there Pinkflower7783. can I call you flower?
  10. Pinkflower7783

    Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member

    Most people on here call me "Pinky." So "pinky" is fine. :)
  11. fictionalnice

    fictionalnice Well-Known Member

    Ok! cool! Pinky...i like that. U can call me Fiction.:D
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  12. Hayley B

    Hayley B Well-Known Member

    I keep wondering if they could make a Muppet Babies movie all in live action Muppets? That would be cute and fun to see.

    No I wouldn't like them to be CGI.
  13. fictionalnice

    fictionalnice Well-Known Member

    *GASP* That is a great idea!!! It would be adorable! YES! THEY MUST!!! :):o:concern::mad:;):sympathy::halo:
  14. jvcarroll

    jvcarroll Well-Known Member

    I think it's wise to let the Muppet Babies take a back seat for a time while Disney strengthens the original Muppet characters. You have no idea how many people reference the Muppet Babies themesong when I bring up the Muppets. That should never be the first go-to for the Muppets. Unfortunately that's the case with an entire generation or two.

    It will be time to explore such options once the Muppets have a second film and television show on the air. I also understand why Disney's hurrying the next Muppet film into production. They don't want other projects like Sesame, Fraggles, Happytime or Alf, to be the first beneficiaries of their momentum.
  15. fictionalnice

    fictionalnice Well-Known Member

    Wow...your smart! And right! i agree!
  16. LouisTheOtter

    LouisTheOtter Well-Known Member

    CGI can work for The Muppets in small doses (I think of the great "Duelling Musicians" commercial Brad Paisley did with Kermit five or six years ago) but I would be extremely disappointed to see the technology reduce or replace real-time use of the actual puppets.

    As has been mentioned many times in this thread, a large part of the Muppets' charm has always been that they exist in the real world and the rest of us poor unfortunate non-Muppet types can actually interact with them. Not even the most sophisticated CGI can recreate that.

    This has been the case from the Jimmy Dean days straight up to the most recent movie and DVD/Blu-Ray release, not to mention the wonderful promotional appearances the Muppeteers have done in conjunction with these events. Think of Miss Piggy mixing it up with Sharon Osbourne on The Talk, or Kermit assessing Republican presidential candidates (albeit reluctantly) with Stephen Colbert, or the Electric Mayhem and Travis Barker on Jimmy Kimmel Live. There's no way CGI could have resulted in any of those amazing moments that are already, in my opinion, treasured additions to the Muppets' body of work.

    Props to Caper for getting a good discussion going on this topic, but with all due respect, I like my Muppets as three-dimensional beings.
  17. fictionalnice

    fictionalnice Well-Known Member

    huh...good point.
  18. mupcollector1

    mupcollector1 Well-Known Member

    Personally I want the future Muppet movies to go back to how it was during the first 3. Don't get me wrong, I love Treasure Island and Christmas Carol. But it seemed for awhile that lots of their stuff was being based on books afterwords like Wizard of Oz (which I didn't care for much), though I do love It's a Very Merry Muppet Christmas Movie. Which brings me to my point. If you kind of look at the first 3, they were original but they were parodic genres. The Muppet Movie was very original parodying artistic dreams vs. Business which was a subject matter Jim personally took to heart and loved parodying but also spread the message of even though there's going to be people out there to bring you down, don't let them. Take a close listen to the lyrics of Rainbow Connection and you'll see the symbolism "I'll prove them wrong wait and see (people who say that you'll never make it), someday we'll find it the Rainbow Connection, the lovers (the fans), the dreamers (people with artistic goals) and me (both)."
    But Great Muppet Caper and Muppets Take Manhattan parodied genres which I loved. Caper was a parody of mystery, detective and crime fighting movies and Manhattan was a spoof on Broadway and like The Muppet Movie, the harsh realities of the media biz.

    Even though I loved the new Muppet Movie and I thought Muppets From Space lacked a lot. I worry about Muppets 2. First off the title. It's odvious for two reasons. Lack of original title unlike the others and Muppets don't do sequals, well until now. I don't mind Walter but he's more of a straightman / parody on Muppet Fans like us. lol Which I find flatteringly awesome. lol But he's not disfunctional like the rest which makes them funny to begain with.

    Anyway, I like the idea of parodying genres. I think a Muppet western might be something to look into, but then again it's kind of hard because of the show down in TMM, and even though space might be another idea, MFS already did it. However, Kirk Thatcher had a script called Muppets IN Space which is the characters going to Koosbane. But anyway, something on those lines.

    And one more thing, I would LOVE for The Cheapest Muppet Movie EVER to be made and unaltered. The ORIGINAL Jim Henson, Jerry Juhl and Frank Oz script. For those fans who never heard about this, it was a script that was written in the mid 80s I believe and it was parodying the fact that each Muppet Movie had a bigger budget, so that based the idea, and I think the plot was Kermit giving Gonzo the operationally to make his own movie and the plot just gets weirder and weirder and Gonzo goes overboard on the budget and the film gets cheaper and cheaper right to the very end.
    I love this idea, it cracks me up. It brings back the ol' Muppet Show style of things in my opinion. lol
  19. Mo Frackle

    Mo Frackle Well-Known Member

    I'd love to see that too, but one thing that a few other forum members have pointed out is that whille "Cheapest" sounds good on paper, it might not work as a full feature film. I think a better idea would be to include "Cheapest" as an exposition plot for a movie (and having the rest of the movie be something else, like the gang trying to get enough money to finish their movie, or something). Another idea is to make "Cheapest" into a TV special.
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  20. charlietheowl

    charlietheowl Well-Known Member

    I really think The Muppets 2 is just a placeholder title until more concrete details on the film are figured out. When it was announced, I'm sure Nick Stoller and the rest of the creative crew barely had any idea what the new film was going to be about aside from "a caper", so that title was chosen to stand in.
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