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Worst Muppet Film

Discussion in 'Classic Muppets' started by Beauregard, Apr 21, 2004.

  1. BornBlue

    BornBlue New Member

    I know and absolutely agree with you 100%... just trying to spark some debate and have all the young bucks on the board go back and rewatch the Muppet Movie to (re)discover its magic and humor. I think it gets funnier as you get older!
  2. Super Scooter

    Super Scooter New Member

    Okay. It is a marvelous film.
  3. Pigpen

    Pigpen New Member

    Totally agree

    I must say that your opinions on the Muppet Movie being THE muppet classic is spot on.

    I couldn't agree more as everything is so well executed from dialogue to musical numbers and simply has everything a good muppet movie should have (and things the more recent ones could learn a thing or two from - even though i still like them of course! :) )

    Labyrinth is by far the best live action fantasy ever made as it has the lot aswell.

    I can't understand why things have gone a little awry recently eg. no great music numbers in MFS and the general sub-parness of KSY. Lets hope Disney are more discerning on what scripts are Ok'ed in future.
  4. Stulz

    Stulz Member

    Spot On!

    BornBlue:
    1. The Muppet Movie
    2. The Great Muppet Caper
    3. Muppets Take Manhatten
    3. Follow That Bird
    4. Labrynth
    5. Dark Crystal
    6. Muppets From Space
    7. Muppet Treasure Island
    8. A Very Merry Myppet Christmas Movie
    9. Muppet Christmas Carol
    10. Kermit Swamp Years
    11. Muppet Classic Theater

    Your list is pretty much spot on!

    Anyway, I think while Follow that Bird is a strech as a "Muppet" movie it's place on the list is Perfect!

    Ok... here's my list(s)...

    "Muppet" Movies:

    1. The Muppet Movie (tie) 2. The Great Muppet Caper
    3. Muppets Take Manhatten
    6. Muppets From Space
    7. Muppet Treasure Island
    9. Muppet Christmas Carol
    8. A Very Merry Myppet Christmas Movie


    SS movies:

    1. Follow That Bird
    ..
    ...
    ....
    ...
    10. Elmo in Grouchland

    Fantasy films:

    1. Labrynth
    2. Dark Crystal

    Direct to Video:
    1. Kermit's Swamp Years
    2. Muppet Classic Theater


    Here are my thoughts/ added opions:

    Muppet Movies:
    Although overall The Muppet Movie and The Great Muppet Caper top my list, I like the characters personalities in Muppets Take Manhatten as well as the modern setting, and the puppets look overall better then TMM & GMC.
    I also tend to like the Muppet characters as themselves or a variation of themseves. Plus with MCC as someone posted around her before "It might as well been called Micheal Caine's Christmas Carol with The Muppets"

    As for VMC: it has to go the bottom of the "Muppet Movie" list for me. The production values just aren't there compared to the other features (due to the fact that this was a TV Movie) and for the fact that even on DVD there are commercial fade outs: It feels like a TV Movie and not a true feature film.


    SS Movies:
    Follow That Bird is a far supearer film to Elmo in Grouchland. FTB was filmed out in the "real" world with feature film production values. EiG was obviously shot entitrely on sets and it just has a very cheap look and feel to it.


    Fantasy films:
    Here's where it gets tricky: Labrynth overall is a just a better film.
    Dark Crystal while still a great film and whith amazing puppetry effects, tends get bogged down in it's pacing, while Labrynth zips right along creating the whirlwind effect that Sarah must feel after going through it.

    Direct to Video:
    I set such a low expectation for Kermit's Swamp Years then when I wachted it I acually enjoyed IT! The human actors leave much to be disired, but the overall quailty and In-jokes are great. Muppet Classic Theater on the other hand, looks just what it is: A cheap Mupets throw-to-gether with way to much Gonzo and Rizzo (comming off MCC) and not enough of the supporting Muppets involved.

    Thoughts?
  5. BornBlue

    BornBlue New Member

    Stultz, it appears you and I share a brain! That's dangerous!

    Your lists and descriptions are right on... The reason AVMMCM topped the Muppet Christmas Carol on my list was because AVMMCM was original and it seemed to me a step in the right direction... the Fozzie subplot was great! And I liked Gonzo's song!

    I've never seen Elmo in Grouchland so I couldn't rate it.

    And I did actually enjoy Kermit's Swamp Years a bit.
  6. dmx10101

    dmx10101 Member

    I saw the great muppet caper a few days ago for the first time and I must say it's down there with KSY's at being the worst Muppet movie. It wasn't even that Muppety and it was very boring. Ick! :sympathy:
  7. BornBlue

    BornBlue New Member

    Wow, Dmx10101...

    If the Great Muppet Caper is not Muppety, then what is?!? The zaniness of the Happiness Hotel, all the Muppets going on Kermit's date, the frantic scene in the museum with the Baseball Diamond with Lewis Kazagger reporting.... Now that's what I call Muppety Fun!!!
  8. Klonoa

    Klonoa New Member

    I do kind of agree with Dmx. Muppet Caper was a bit slow paced in areas. There were some fun parts in areas like the Happiness Hotel and all the Muppets on the double decker bus, but many other parts just seemed kind of boring and pointless to me. But that's just my opinion. Lots of other people seem to like Muppet Caper, and that's OK with me! :)

    --Klonoa
  9. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Caper is my second favorite of the TMS muppet movies (the 2 SS ones I find seperate) but I have to say, Charles Grodin was wooden and unpleasant. he lacked the charisma of all the other Muppet Movie villains. I mean, sure... like Doc Hopper, Joan Cuzzack, and Tim Curry, they were over the top... but that's what made them fun. Charlie was... sorta under the bottom.... :sympathy:
  10. Super Scooter

    Super Scooter New Member

    "It's because he's a villain... pure and simple."
  11. Beauregard

    Beauregard Well-Known Member

    Doc Hopper?

    Er, ok...
  12. ohdarling

    ohdarling New Member

    i agree. :)
    i love that one. i have yet to see muppets in space and kermit's swamp years i have never seen.

    i'm not sure which movie i like least.... i like all the ones i have seen..my favorites are probably muppet treasure island and the muppet movie .
  13. Whatever

    Whatever Active Member

    No offense, but let's not focus on the bad Muppet movies. We're all here because we love the Muppets, so let's focus on the positive Muppet stuff! :D
  14. Beauregard

    Beauregard Well-Known Member

    But it's fun...oh...ok..
  15. Barry Lee

    Barry Lee Active Member

    The worst film for me are actually 2.
    First of Kermit's Swamp Years.What the?? They have killed that classic
    muppet class.
    Also Muppets From Space okay,almost ALL the songs we have heard before
    come on!!
    WE NEED NEW I said NEW FREAKIN' SONGS DANG IT!!!!! :attitude:
    Thank You. :sympathy:
  16. The Good Doctor

    The Good Doctor New Member

    Kys?

    Gang what is KYS?
  17. The Good Doctor

    The Good Doctor New Member

    Stink!

    My vote is Muppets from space, a Very Muppet family Christmas, and Muppets Tonight! They all STINK!!!!!
  18. Frogster

    Frogster Active Member

    Kermit's Swamp, full stop. Does anyone besides me think they are getting worse as the years go by? At first i thought Very Merry Muppet xmas had something different, what with Scooter, Janice and others, but i just can't get over Steve's Kermit. I'm sorry, I just don't like Steve! I'm sorry
  19. The Good Doctor

    The Good Doctor New Member

    Worse as the years go by! YES

    Wow, I was in another room talking about the Up coming Muppets Wizard of OZ which I think will be another Stinker. And I was talking about how the Muppets have taken such a downward spin, and are using toilet jokes and sex humored, and they think I am nuts.

    Then I come in here and it is like people actually understand....what a breath of fresh air. Here is my last post from the other room; I think I will stay in here.

    Well gang what can I say, you make a very valid point. I have a background and 2 degrees in Advertising Graphic Design, and when something sells you run with it, for as long as you can until you have to change it.

    My younger siblings have always wondered and often asked me what has happened to The Muppets. Because when they were very young and I was younger too we used to watch them together. They remember when things were more fun, and the gags were not as cheap like Fozzy picking his nose.

    I do not agree with it, not at all, I do not feel it is right, nor do I wish to send a message to the Muppets/ Disney that it is ok in my book. I would rather have the Muppets be a happy memory than to stoop so low as to pull Jokes straight out of the trash. But that is not the way the world works, when Muppets Tonight first came on I sent a letter to the Henson CO. expressing my disgust and concern, and I was told then (1996) that this was a show for the 90's, and it was geared towards a 90's audience, but they would take my suggestions under advisement.

    A real Heart Breaker to learn that my letter changed nothing, but then I never really expected it to change a darn thing.

    The Muppets taught me that the world could be a better place, and that I can make a difference, that one person can change things.

    But not really, not when you are up against big business, and the real world...... After all it was just a silly dream.

    "Oh yeah, well I've got a dream too! It's about singing and dancing and making people happy, that’s the kind of dream that gets better the more people you share it with. I made a whole bunch of friends, and they all have the same dream, that makes us a little bit like a family. Who are your friends Dock? Those guys?
    Listen I don't think you’re a bad man, and I think if you look in your heart you'll see that you really just want to let me and my friends go. If not, if what I am saying doesn't make and sense to you.. Well then go ahead and kill me!
  20. The Good Doctor

    The Good Doctor New Member

    I do not think the problem is Steve as much as it is the fact that they have all sold out. There values are about makeing a quick buck and who cares about a positive message or just plan old good writing.

    When you have Rizzo on Muppets Tonight talking about playing with Cindy Crawfords "Baloons", Fozzy bear picking his nos on Muppets from Space, while Same the American Eagle checks out a half nude girl on the beach. Not to mention Pepe getting a topliss dancer licence for the Muppet theater (just incase) in VMMC, you have to stop and wonder if the Muppets will be bairing it all in up comming specials.

    The voice talent is slipping big time, and according to the Muppets they retired Scooter out of loveing memmory for the man who performed him who died of AIDS. Only Scooter was in VMMC, and his voice stunk!

    The next big TV special is supposed to be Muppets Wizard of OZ based on the book not the MGM film, from what I have red allready it is headed for a big fat FLOP!


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