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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Mo Frackle, Aug 29, 2012.

  1. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    While I'm not a fan of Phantomstrider's videos, I managed to bother my way through this one about Worst sitcoms that's...ehhhh.

    Other than a couple easy shots like Geico Cavemen and Heil Hone, I'm Home, I have to give him credit for calling out The Brady Bunch. Even commented on it. And also for mentioning the abysmal "Man Up" and how it's exactly what's wrong with everything not Hotel Transylvania related Adam Sandler has done since the early 00's. Personally, I think it's easy to call out kidcoms are crap since they really don't strive to do anything worthwhile most of the times (and Nicky Ricky Whatever it is and Dawn is far less clever, more cliche filled, and worse written than Henry Danger).

    Personally, I think a dive into the worst sitcoms ever requires a bit more research, as failed sitcoms are plentiful, and a lot of them were failures for a reason, while others are just disappointing losses that could never break the mainstream. There were some very painful trends back in the 80's and 90's, for example. Gimmicky family sitcoms trying to cash in as if they were more ALF type shows for the 80's. And for the 90's, those terrible Friends/Seinfeld clones that I can barely remember the names of but know exist.
  2. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I honestly felt like the Geico Cavemen had potential, even before they did have their own "sitcom," but the problem is, as with almost all shows today, was far too much executive meddling and network interference: they had to rework the premise so many times that by the time it went to air, it fell flat. Why? Well, remember back in the 70s, how the network was always so frightened by THE ODD COUPLE because they were afraid that the entire show was an implication that Felix and Oscar were representations of gay men? Well, that's pretty much what went down with the Cavemen: the network kept being afraid the Cavemen were representations of racially oppressed black people. Seriously. I understand the original pilot for the show was supposed to be the Cavemen trying to join an exclusive country club (run by the dad from the first two HOME ALONE movies), but they weren't allowed in because they were black, I mean, cavemen. Then, there was a concern that the characters were too much like the Munsters: totally out of place with the rest of the world, yet they think they fit right in and that everyone else around them are the weird ones . . . that apparently didn't work either. So, after all was said and done, we ended up with what we ended up with: a flat, stale, unfunny sitcom about cavemen who happen to live in the modern world. It also didn't help that the show was a modern single camera sitcom as well with no sounds of laughter - live or simulated - and very minimal music cues.
  3. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I honestly feel that the show Son of Zorn can take the same basic concept and do it right. The problem with the Geico Cavemen series is that besides the allegories to racism, clumsy ones at that, they didn't have talent and rushed the show out to cash in off the popularity of the commercials and didn't develop anything that they didn't say in 30 second intervals. And even then, it's Geico's usual schtick, taking something that was basically a one off joke and running with it to the point of just instantly recognizing them is the joke.

    At the end of the day, the premise was a bunch of easily offended racial stand ins trying to find their place in a world where they can't fit in. And they really could have made a statement about racial injustice and disharmony, but when it's a bunch of white guys as the stand ins, it muddies the message. Plus, let's face it...they did sitcomy hijinx instead of quality writing.

    But what makes me roll my eyes is the fact there was another failed sitcom based on a commercial. Baby Bob. I want to say he was from some sandwich franchise that wasn't Subway. He wasn't one of the Investment Babies they had at one time for something. And it was basically what you'd expect. An unfunny series about a talking baby, and the jokes were all about baby stuff and name dropping preschool shows (Baby Bob once woke up screaming about how he had a dream Bert's eyebrow fell off). It was the only show I know of that referenced Arthur, outside of Disney's Doug. And yet it wasn't even the only talking baby sitcom.

    No...there is another...

    This was a thing back in 1991 to cash in off the popularity of the Look who's Talking franchise. And it lasted 2 seasons!
  4. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Oh, I think Quizno's, or whatever they're called, is what you're thinking of - or at least, that's what popped into my mind as soon as you mentioned Baby Bob.

    But hey, if we're going to rag on shows that were essentially based on commercials, that's a common complaint from those who don't like SPACE JAM, that it was essentially a commercial disguised as a movie for commercials that featured Michael Jordan and Bugs Bunny (and Marvin the Martian, I think).
  5. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Yeah. That 90's Looney Tunes/NBA thing that stretched out past the Hair Jordans and into things like Sprint and McDonalds. I think I may have o ne of those collectors cups somewhere, but I TOTALLY have a French Fry wrapper with Porky Pig as a referee on it. Though I'd admit, at least with Space Jam, it's a movie with a plot and it doesn't take itself too seriously. But it's still a lot less fun than the commercials ever were.

    But back to bad sitcoms... There's such a wealth of forgotten buried trash that I want to drudge up but even I tend to forget. Stuff that didn't even have enough episodes to reach syndication in even the cheapest of syndicated packages. One that will always be a blistering level of forgetibility is the Bronson Pinchot playing a sitcom alien vehicle Meego. I can't even remember how bad it was, but...yeah...it was bad. Balki as a space alien should have been the basis for at least cheap escapist comedy, but no...no. And I beleive Geena Davis had a crappy sitcom that lasted a season barely that was just...a flat collection of family sitcom cliches. All I can remember is they made a "Who let the Dogs Out" joke. That's the only significant thing I remember.

    And frankly, much as I hate Hanna Montana, to pretend that is the worst Disney sitcom? Even I don't buy it. Sure, it's basically a show based on the same cliche of hiding ALF from the Ochmonics, or Major Nelson trying to hide Jeannie from everyone especially his boss. It's a show made to sell soundtracks of Miley in character and out of character singing songs written by the same guys. It's not a good show, but...

    Jessie is the more cloying piece of garbage. And while Disney was forcing Miley down in the movie Bolt and as a random character that really added nothing to the Emperor's New School cartoon. She wasn't outright terrible in either (the again, I'm not a huge John Travolta fan, but loved him in Bolt as well). But Jessie...oh man...


    Jessie is part of the Marvel Universe. Her show is real and taking place in the same universe Spider-Man exists. Just...just... *&&%^%!
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  6. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    And in the 1960s, there was another short-lived show on the "baby's thoughts are heard" concept called Happy.

    I watched both Baby Talk and Baby Bob, and I liked them. When Baby Bob was on the air, it seems everybody I talked to about it either hated it or wasn't aware of it (hardly anybody I went to school with seemed to know what I was talking about when I talked about the show).
  7. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    That's what it was like for me in school in regards to Rocko and Cow and Chicken: all the other kids hated both of those show.
  8. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Remember that episode of RECESS where T.J. was having a fit over that one kid in school who didn't like him, and he went through so many odd little stunts to get him to like him? Then there was that one moment where T.J. decides *** for tat, and tells the other kid he doesn't like him either, to which the other kid responds with something to the effect of, "What a relief! Now you don't have to invite me to your birthday party this year!"

    That rings so true to life, because when you were growing up as a kid, how many times did your mother make you send invitations to your bullies, and other kids who didn't even like you? And even when you reason with them that doing such is pointless, their rebuttal is usually, "their feelings will be hurt if you don't invite them." But if they don't like you, how would not inviting them to your party hurt their feelings? In the above mentioned RECESS scene, that other kid was ecstatic at the thought of not getting anymore invitations from T.J.
  9. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I tried to use a recent event as an opportunity to speak out about an issue that people like myself have to face, but it backfired horribly. Even so, I've been thinking about it more and more, and I've realized something that's just as bad, if not worse:

    So, have you ever noticed that so many of these big YouTube celebrities with huge channels, and tons of subscribers are always begging for more? I mean, these people have millions of subscribers watching them sit around and talk about what they did today, and yet they always make it a special point in each of their videos to beg for more subscribers, like "Please, please, please subscribe! I need more subscribers! I'm still under 3,000,000, help me reach 3,000,000! Pleeeeeease!!!" And you know what? People just do it. They just subscribe, like it's no big deal, and then their following grows and grows to outrageous proportions.

    So, why is it that when someone like me tries to advertise anything, we get crucified for it? Granted, in the nearly nine years I've been producing original content on YouTube, I've never once ever asked for subscribers, but prior to YouTube, whenever I would try to advertise something, that only resulted in making enemies because people would accuse me of shamelessly and desperately crying for attention. So, what's the double standard here? How come it's okay for some people to grovel and beg for more attention, but for others (like me) you just so much as ask and you're public enemy number one?
  10. fuzzygobo

    fuzzygobo Well-Known Member

    Some people are addicted to the approval of others, which is not the healthiest thing.
  11. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    But do you see the point I'm making, though? I mean, it's okay for some people to beg and grovel for attention and other people are okay with it, but if I so much as even ask somebody to look at something I've worked on, I'm somehow a desperate attention w#0r3?
  12. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    So I notice Republicans have this new thing now where they attempt to insult everybody else by calling them "delicate snowflakes," and I'm like . . . what does that even mean? What are they even trying to say? I mean, what is a snowflake anyway? A piece of snow that falls from the sky to the ground. What are they saying? The other people fall from the sky to the ground? What kind of an insult is that?

    Or . . . what else are snowflakes known for? The idea that no two snowflakes are alike? So . . . are they complaining about everybody else's individuality? Because if that's the case, then that makes more sense, considering the Republican party is really big on fascism and everything being their way or no way at all. Okay, so yeah, I get it now . . . they're attacking people for not conforming to their ways. Makes sense now.
  13. Pig's Laundry

    Pig's Laundry Well-Known Member

    I think it basically just means someone who acts entitled and overly sensitive. As is a common complaint made by some republicans, "I've had it with these snowflake libtards! You stinkin' triggered sjws. All you do is take from the government and complain. Yur lucky yew even live in this country, dur land of dur fuh-ree! #Hillaryforprison"
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  14. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    There's the Tom Hanks Syndrome, where an actor starts their careers doing light-hearted comedies, then afterwards spends the rest of their lives doing dramatic movies instead.

    I'm beginning to think there should be a similar syndrome for producers called the Telly Perry Syndrome. Remember when he started creating shows for TV, they were sitcoms like HOUSE OF PAYNE and MEET THE BROWNS? But now, all the shows he creates are really heavy dramas . . . which seems strange coming from a guy who gave us Madea, but then again, in retrospect, it seems strange that a guy who's been in movies like SAVING PRIVATE RYAN and THE GREEN MILE once acted alongside the likes of Dan Aykroyd and Shelley Long. Ditto, but less pressing for his movies, considering I know he still does a Madea movie now and then.

    Also, ever notice Tyler Perry's shows seem to do more channel hopping than most others? He's had shows on TBS, OWN, TLC (not sure how that makes sense), and even first-run syndication.
  15. Pig's Laundry

    Pig's Laundry Well-Known Member

    Actually, Tyler Perry started out as a more dramatic writer.

    It kind of makes sense with Madea because, originally, despite being the title character and the one that was most publicized, she was actually pretty much just a side character. The older Madea movies were usually about some random family or couple trying to work out their problems while tackling social issues. Madea, who was usually said to be the main character's aunt or cousin, was usually just the comic relief. Perry's last few Madea films, such as "Madea Says Boo", however, seem to miss the point completely.
  16. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I guess it shouldn't be too surprising that studios are hardly putting any effort into DVD releases anymore. Lack of bonus features; minimal menus; amateurish cover art that almost looks bootleg.
  17. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    So people were wigging out over a "lesbian couple" that barely even had a minute of screentime in FINDING DORY that nobody else even really paid any attention to, but I'm kind of surprised that on that same token, toward the end of the movie, those same people didn't seem to notice the lady truck driver had arm hair and tattoos. Really, both are the kind of "blink and you'll miss it" kind of things, but I mean honestly, as far as the "lesbian couple" goes, I'm not sure most people would have really suspected anything: two random women at an aquarium . . . most people probably wouldn't have even thought about it had it not been for others pointing it out.
  18. Pig's Laundry

    Pig's Laundry Well-Known Member

    The thing about it is, it was never even confirmed by anyone that they were a couple. They were just two women who happened to be at the aquarium together and they had a small child with them. They might've been together, or they might've just been friends of siblings even. We don't know. And like you said, they were literally only on screen for like two seconds! Yet people still freaked out about it. Not sure about the truck driver though, I haven't re watched the movie yet.
  19. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Recently I watched an episode of The Mary Tyler Moore Show that I had not seen in years, "Farmer Ted and the News", and I'm trying to understand why the station, especially Lou Grant, has a problem with Ted starring in local commercials. I know that Ted wants his contract changed so he could do other things (citing movies and Broadway), with Lou okay and the staff laughing over the fact that no casting director would hire him for those (not to mention the show takes place in Minneapolis, not New York, so how likely could he do a Broadway show?), and then, after his contract is renewed, he tells them they fell into his trap - was it really a trap that he would do commercials or was it his own foolishness?

    I could see them being embarrassed by the farmer commercials, but they were embarrassed/horrified after Ted's first commercial (which isn't in the "Farmer Ted" portrayal and seems more dignified).

    My memories of the episodes were a little different. For years, I thought that Lou wanted Ted to sign a special contract allowing him to do things outside of the news and that Ted didn't want to sign it (and wondered what the big deal was), as opposed to Lou simply wanting him to sign his contract renewal and Ted holding out (and must have missed that it was Ted who wanted them to take off the part where he couldn't find outside work). And the scene where Lou gets Ted to end his career in commercials is different from what I remembered - my past memories were Lou begging Ted to give them up, sad that Ted was doing them, and Ted understanding and quitting to make Lou happy, as opposed to the reality where Lou pretty much threatened Ted (and raised his salary to an extra 25 dollars a week).
  20. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Okay, so just recently, I learned that George W. Bush won a Razzie Award for "worst actor" (or was it "worst supporting actor"?) for the movie Fahrenheit 9/11, but does he really qualify as an actor for that? As far as I know, all of the George W. Bush footage in that was taken from news reports. He didn't intentionally appear in the movie, most likely wouldn't have, and the footage is just him being himself, not him playing himself.

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