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Your Thoughts: Dark Crystal and Labyrinth Anniversary DVD's

Discussion in 'Fantasy Worlds' started by Phillip, Aug 14, 2007.

  1. Mistersuperstar

    Mistersuperstar Well-Known Member

    The overall quality of the superbit release doesn't seem much, if any, different from the regular version. The collectors edition is nice because the packaging is good quality and you get Brian Froud art cards and a card that shows how the Fire Gang sequence was created. The new anniversary edition is by far the best picture and sound quality and it's nice to see the new interviews and unreleased footage.
    The last two, if they had been combined, would have been the best buy.
  2. Infinity Sirius

    Infinity Sirius Well-Known Member

    I keep waiting for them to release the Labyrinth deleted scenes onto one of these DVDs. Will that day ever come?
  3. cabbageheat

    cabbageheat Well-Known Member


    Well, one would think they would do it for the Anniversary release for The Dark Crystal and this newest release for Labyrinth.

    Just another item to be disappointed with when it comes to these releases.

    They have a lot to make up for with the next release, if any, before it graces my DVD shelf again. Perhaps they are saving material for an eventual HD or Blue-Ray release. Who knows.

    There have been so many releases up to this point, you'd think that would have been done by now, so, its a shot in the dark I guess.
  4. Cosmic Cow

    Cosmic Cow Member

    Does anyone know if the video quality on this release of DC is equal to or better than the Superbit? I finally have an HD set and I want to get the best viewing experience...
  5. cabbageheat

    cabbageheat Well-Known Member

    Superbits are hard to find now, but this release compared to the SB is almost identical (I have both). I'd probably go with the latest release since it is a tad sharper, and has richer tones, but side by side with Superbit edition, there is only a marginal difference.

    Either release will look great.
  6. maxdrive

    maxdrive Well-Known Member

    i really did not think much of them consideirng the first disk from the labyrinth set is the same as the one i already own same features and all i bet the dark crystal is the same might rent it jsut to see the new stuff ont he second disk but not buy them.
  7. cabbageheat

    cabbageheat Well-Known Member


    Listened to the Froud commentary from TDK (finally) on the new release the other day. Hoping to pop in Labyrinth and hear what he has to say about that endeavor.

    However, for the most part it was ok. A bit dry here and there, and much of the information, unfortunately, we've all heard before. Mostly through the documentaries already made, or other features. He does have some great insight since,naturally, he designed the whole film practically. I won't mention or spoil anything he says, but unfortunately, there weren't as many anecdotes as I was hoping for. Those that are mentioned, have been heard already.

    Regardless, the new insight he brings is still tender in its own way, and clearly Froud had a profound respect for Jim.

    But what I've realized the most in all this, is that this film was so ridiculously intimate, that only Jim himself can give us any kind of deeper understanding of what the film is, and how it was made. I honestly think, that there is very little to offer now on this particular film, the well is very dry, and only a few scraps, here and there, are now surfacing. The only thing that remains, is any deleted scenes, beyond that, I think we have all come to the end of what we can discover with this film.

    There will always be new releases, better audio, better video, but in the end, unless Jim himself rises from the grave, I think we have seen and heard all we can from this great film.
  8. Mistersuperstar

    Mistersuperstar Well-Known Member

    The only thing they can do realistically to put together the greatest release of Labyrinth is to include all the test footage, deleted scenes, screen tests, David Bowie music videos, archive footage & interviews they can on however many discs it takes. Add audio commentry from as many of the principal artists that worked on the movie that may have some interesting stories or insights. Then top it off with DTS audio and the highest definition movie transfer they can achieve. Maybe even give a choice between theatrical version of the movie or new extended version with deleted scenes spliced into it. It would also be nice to hear some of the unused score that Trevor Jones composed!
  9. cabbageheat

    cabbageheat Well-Known Member

    I'm sure some of those things are in the works for an eventual Blu-Ray or HDDVD release. if the new film continues (which doesn't seem as likely) there will also be another release, I'm sure, of TDC.

    There are a lot of little things here and there to add, but if they didn't put this much time into the anniversary DVD. I have serious doubts as to whats to come. I personally would like to see a Special Edition, with some of the matte paintings replaced with digital mattes, especially some of the sky and sun scenes. However, the puppets and animatronics should be left as is. But, this is wishful thinking at best.
  10. Mistersuperstar

    Mistersuperstar Well-Known Member

    I guess that depends on whether they have the original stock footage of the puppets on black backgrounds so they could re-matte the backgrounds in digitally. That and whether it would make any difference to how well the movie sold after all the effort. I would be nice to see the whole thing remastered and given the "Star Wars" treatment.
  11. Laszlo

    Laszlo Well-Known Member

    Maybe. But there still exist TONS of behind the scenes and set photos, props lying somewhere etc.
    They should do High quality photo books with those.
  12. cabbageheat

    cabbageheat Well-Known Member

    hey, that would be great. I'd pick it up for sure. but not another TDC dvd, until a lot more is offered. and what that might be. . . I have no clue.
  13. Chocobear

    Chocobear Member

    Chocobear Adds Her Two Cents

    I love "The Dark Crystal," but I'm with cabbageheat. I feel the second disc is a bit mediocre. I was hoping to hear the cast's thoughts on the characters they played. (I'm including the voice over actors as well.) That would have been really neat. I would have loved to hear their stories.

    I also believe they should have given Trevor Jones the chance to talk about what inspired him to write the music for "Crystal."

    As far as "Labyrinth" is concerned ... I don't have the DVD.

    Yet. :D
  14. SKANZO

    SKANZO Member

    What actually disappointed me most about The Dark Crystal new dvd release, was how CLEAN it look. Even the older dvds had dust and dirt on the transfer and I think that added to the film, made it seem more dark and real. This new transfer is SO cleaned up, that it looks too fake now, if that is actually possible considering they are muppets ;) I think the old prints added to the atmosphere of the film, old dirty and dark...
  15. Wiseman

    Wiseman Well-Known Member

    I just received the Dark Crystal DVD anniversary edition. It was interesting, but I wondered with all the talk I've heard here about a sequel to DC called Power of the Dark crystal and a sequel to Labyrinth where are the previews. I mean the colorized versions of the old B-movies of Harryhausen are interesting but they're just not what I was looking for. Then again according to the muppet wiki this stuff isn't coming out until 2010, so maybe they don't have any previews yet.

    I did, however like the new interviews and the digitalized version of the film, but when I tried to run it on my DVD player with Brian Froud's commentary on, it didn't work, I clicked commentary on, but there was no commentary on the film, and I would have liked to hear that. Especially since I own one of the few copies of Brian Froud's book "The World Of The Dark Crystal" I would have liked to have heard what he had to say. After all He was the Creator of Thra, the triangular planet on which this whole thing happened.

    I still haven't picked up Labyrinth's special edition but I will soon, now that I have a Backstage Pass with F.Y.E.
  16. JMPrater

    JMPrater Well-Known Member

    I'm in agreement with the general consensus of this anniversary edition being quite lower then sub-par. This release is keeping in line with Henson offerings being quite mediocre of late, which includes how news of the new DC sequel is being specifically side stepped.

    If they're going to re-release TDC again it should include the following

    1. Every bit of behind the scenes footage possible
    2. Creature Shop production of the many races of TDC
    3. The World of the Dark Crystal behind the scenes film
    4. Interviews with the puppet makers, the puppeteers
    5. Interview & commentary by Frank Oz [how could you re-release this film and not include Frank Oz as a featured interviewee?]
    6. Wendy Froud commentary
    7. Brian Froud Commentary
    8. Brian Henson Commentary
    9. A 'Play All' function
    10. Featurettes that showcase each stage of development
    11. Interviews with the writers of the film
    12. Interviews with the voice-over artists
    13. The Marketing of The Dark Crystal
    14. Interview longterm fans of The Dark Crystal and todays directors influenced by the original film [including our own Genndy Tartovsky]
    15. Talk about The Power of the Dark Crystal
    16. Behind the scenes of The Power of the Dark Crystal, what's happening in production, a quick look into what we'll be seeing come 2009.

    With the dawning of Blade Runner the Final Cut and it's 3 hour documentary and 4 different versions of the film, the bar has been set, and so far, Henson continues to fall far from the bar into their comfortable zone of mediocrity.

    I expected more from an anniversary release. WAY more.

    J.M. Prater
  17. SKANZO

    SKANZO Member

    Sounds excellent, same goes for Labyrinth. There should be more Lucas interviews and Jennifer Connelly commentary and interviews with David Bowie and Trevor Jones in depth on the music.

    Also, there are 5 versions of the Blade Runner film ;) Theatrical, International, Director, Final and Workprint, all included on the deluxe boxed set that I just purchased....
  18. Laszlo

    Laszlo Well-Known Member

    Exactly! But you forgot something VERY important:


    I have a copy of it, in very bad quality, and it has some wonderfull scenes not included on the DVD's.
    In one of them you can see Jen swimming (at the beginning), then he climbs out
    and plays his flute (regular scene). BUT THEN A MYSTIC APPEARS FROM BEHIND TELLING HIM ABOUT "someone who has need".
    Beautifull !
  19. Mistersuperstar

    Mistersuperstar Well-Known Member

    It would be great to have in depth interviews and stuff but sometimes certain people who worked on these movies are reluctant to have anything to do with them now. I know from interviews that Jennifer Connelly doesn't see Labyrinth as a particular highlight of her career and is somewhat embarrassed by it now. Also, Trevor Jones doesn't like to do any kind of interviews or anything concerning his musical scores. I'm sure there are many outtakes from both movies soundtracks that will probably never be heard. It's a real pity.
  20. MJTaylor

    MJTaylor Well-Known Member

    I bought The Dark Crystal DVD and I have to say, I liked what I got. However, I share cabbageheat's dismay about the isolated music track not being included. That would have been nice.
    I liked the delated scenes. Intresting, as I once had a book-and-record set of The Dark Crystal and it contained music not included in the complete film. It turns out the music appears in the funreal scenes that appear as outtakes.
    Two other points; I saw this on home video when I was 12 and there were some minor differences. First, the video had gold borders with a black patten at the beginning. Those are not on the DVD I have. Also, the end credits appeared on a black and purple background on the tape, on the one I have, they appear in gold on a still background! Anyone know what was up with that?

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