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Your Thoughts: Letters to Santa Teaser On-line

Discussion in 'Muppet Appearances' started by Phillip, Nov 28, 2008.

  1. muppet_dk

    muppet_dk Active Member

    You can see them. As I wrote in my last post in this thread you can use http://www.hotspotshield.com/ to gain access to the clips.
  2. Frogpuppeteer

    Frogpuppeteer Well-Known Member

    i was actually wondering this cause it seemed like VMMCM Took a while to come out...might have just been me though
  3. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I remember VMX came out in VHS only from NBC.com and was offered during the initial airing, but it took another year or so for it to hit DVD. I still expect it to hit places both opportunistic and legit around the web before Christmas. Such is the way these days. :)
  4. RedPiggy

    RedPiggy Well-Known Member

    I wonder how many Christmas movies people have seen, the people who are dissing Santa, anyway.... It's not Miracle on 34th Street is just for kids, and they imply Santa is real. Then there's the five million movies I've been watching on ABC family. You know what kind of movie I'm tired of? Xmas romantic comedies, particularly those with the main character falling in love with either Santa or his relatives.

    Kermit's letter: Dear Santa, Please let us get out of the cultural void! Please let everyone shut up about me an' Piggy.

    Nah ... I think Kermit could use a good letter. :D
  5. theprawncracker

    theprawncracker Well-Known Member

    *CLAPS* Haha! Great post, RedPiggy! I agree with all ya said! (Including Kermit's letter, of course. ;))
  6. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Well it's not that simple. :) I'm not dissing Santa, I like movies where his presence makes sense. I'm saying this show slightly seems to go against the grain of what we've already seen from the Muppets in the past.

    I'm definitely willing to give the special a chance. But it's OK if not everyone likes it. We don't all have to like the same things. :)
  7. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    The whole Santa angle seems to have come from the mind of Rainbow Connection composer Paul Williams. I agree that it seems a little too kiddie and Disneyized for my taste, but the clips seem contrary to that tone so I think it'll be okay. We already know it will have lots of Muppety music, an epic cast of Muppets (in speaking roles), cameos that appear to make sense and some good character banter. The Santa clip seems okay too. They picked an actor with kind of creepy tones to play Kringle so they seem to be on the mark. I'm so excited. :flirt:
  8. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Oh totally, even though the clips do make me concerned about the kiddie factor, the special doesn't horrify me or anything, hehe. :)
  9. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    So it's not a VMX or Oz for you? That snark-factor seems to have been replaced with classic universal Muppet humor. There's a joke that the Muppets might not be house-trained, but I think it's a joke that could have flown in the Jim era.
  10. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Lol, right the overly jaded and mean spirited stuff is gone and that's great. And I agree that the house-trained joke could be classic humor, hehe. I'm just not sold on the Santa thing in this case. Again, I can see Robin writing a letter to Santa, and Kermit helping him and maybe even believing in Santa himself. But I can't see Kermit being the one to write his own letter like it's the most important part of Christmas.

    It feels like what I've thought about Muppet Christmas Carol. Nice Christmas movie, but not exactly the Muppets. But I'm jumping the gun anyway. :)
  11. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    The only way I can think to explain it is even Bert and Ernie bought each other their presents rather than waiting for Santa. Because they were intended to be a bit more grown up than say Big Bird, who waited for Santa. The Muppet Show characters are more like Bert and Ernie than Big Bird in that way.
  12. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I get you. That was my first thought at this pitch. We'll just have to see. I have always found the Muppet Show gang to be for a mature audience (while not alienating younger viewers). That's why Kermit's Swamp Years still bothers me. I still feel the script was mostly generic kid-vid fare with a few Muppety moments mixed in. I think Kermit's better than that. With the exception of the Santa plot everything else here seems to be on the mark. :)
  13. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Yeah definitely. :) And it is wrong to assume something based on isolated clips either way. We really need to see the whole thing in context. In the end, it's fine if some people like it and if some people don't. :)
  14. theprawncracker

    theprawncracker Well-Known Member

    I agree with everything you've been saying, heralde, I just had to nit-pick at this. I don't mean this mean spirited in any way, I just don't think it's been revealed that Kermit, or any of the Muppets, wrote letters to Santa. In fact, the only letter we saw them mail in the clip was Gonzo handing over Claire's letter (which inadvertantly ends up BACK in his bag... :p). I honestly don't think Kermit, Gonzo, and the gang are mailing letters themselves--just making sure some kids whose letters they accidentally intercepted find their way to the man in red.

    Now... I'm not saying you're wrong, I just don't see this as kiddy. I see it as mature and responsible. Kermit and the gang are going to get the letters to Santa, not for themselves, but for three innocent children. I really don't think we have to worry about it being to kiddy... In fact, wasn't it stated in one of the Tough Pigs on-set posts that the writers ahd a "late-night" feeling in mind when writing this? I think we can expect good things... but I don't blame you for being cautiously optimistic.

    I just don't share your caution. :coy:
  15. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    No problem, nit picking is fine, hehe. You're right, they were mailing letters for kids, thanks for pointing that out. I guess another thing that struck me as childish is them being shocked that one of their gang didn't believe in Santa. Again the vibe felt like Santa is the most important part of Christmas, as opposed to family and universal spirituality and all.

    But I'm fully open to the idea that I'm being too cautious and will wait and see. :)
  16. theprawncracker

    theprawncracker Well-Known Member

    Can I nit-pick again? Haha. Something I picked out by watching the NBC.com clips... They cut away just as Santa is opening Claire's letter, and go straight to Claire's apartment... Cue Gonzo: "Well, we figured you might want a little company for the holidays."

    Ah HA! Methinks that all Claire asked for was people to spend the holiday with. Thus, sealing the moral of the story, making what Santa represents more important than the jolly fat man himself.

    After all... having a penguin in your house at Christmas time is OBVIOUSLY the greatest gift of all. :hungry:
  17. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    I get you, that would be great and very appropriate and I hope you're right. :)

    Honestly, I guess I'm partially just tired of how Christmas has become overly secular. I mean the John Denver Christmas album from years ago mentions the spiritual aspects of Christmas (not just for Christians but for everyone) as well as Santa, while the newer Red and Green album featured pretty much only Santa. That's what I'm concerned with here. But I guess they are trying to appeal to kids in this special. Which isn't a bad thing of course, just not quite the same as the past specials.

    Like I said, it may be completely different than I'm concerned with and I'll be very happy to be proven wrong. :)
  18. theprawncracker

    theprawncracker Well-Known Member

    May I ask how the Red and Green album focussed on Santa primarily? Sure the Mayhem had a couple songs about him... but they sang "Little Saint Nick" on the John Denver album as well--they're just carols. And as for spirituality too... well, on Red and Green you can't tell me Kermit's "Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas" and Kermit and Piggy's "Red and Green Christmas" don't hit on exactly what the holidays are about--coming together and focussing on the joy of enjoying Christmas with friends and family.

    But anyhow! I hope you're proven wrong too! :p No offense!
  19. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Well I meant was that it was only secular Christmas songs (as good as they are) and nothing spiritual, which the Muppets (and society) weren't afraid to mention in years past. I don't know why we can't have both anymore, that's all.

    No no, I hope so too. Though it's not about being right or wrong. Some people like something, others don't. That's that. :)
  20. theprawncracker

    theprawncracker Well-Known Member

    Very true. I just want everyone to enjoy what the Muppets are doing as much as I do. :D


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