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Your Thoughts: "Muppets Most Wanted" Theatrical Film

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by Phillip, Mar 20, 2014.

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How would you rate Muppets Most Wanted?

  1. 5 Stars - Perfect

    84 vote(s)
    46.9%
  2. 4 Stars - Great

    67 vote(s)
    37.4%
  3. 3 Stars - Good

    18 vote(s)
    10.1%
  4. 2 Stars - Fair

    7 vote(s)
    3.9%
  5. 1 Star - Poor

    3 vote(s)
    1.7%

  1. Pinkflower7783

    Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member

    And I unexpectedly also did a 180 I now love MWoO it's way better then TMM! :)
     
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  2. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Seriously, TMM is so boring and cheesy. MWoO has a nipple joke! These guys were edgy! :o
     
  3. Duke Remington

    Duke Remington Well-Known Member


    Seriously? :confused:
     
  4. Beauregard

    Beauregard Well-Known Member

    What's a J Henson?
     
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  5. Pinkflower7783

    Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member

    Exactly that was the best part! And MFS is my second favorite. By the way would you like a muffin? :p
     
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  6. Pinkflower7783

    Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member

    Haha no we're just messing around.
     
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  7. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Thanks, I'll take two! Yeah good old MFS, such a daring choice to not have the Muppets sing. Who needs that?
     
  8. Duke Remington

    Duke Remington Well-Known Member


    I thought so.
     
  9. Pinkflower7783

    Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member

    And then there's that other movie The Muppets sword in the stone. Okay I'm gonna go eat some muffins now before I get yelled at.
     
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  10. FletchySRF3088

    FletchySRF3088 Active Member

    This is something I've thinking myself, but I thought I might be a little biased in some way, considering Scooter's my favourite ;) During my first viewing of the movie and even still in the last couple times I've seen it since, I find myself thinking "If Walter wasn't there, that would've really been Scooter who noticed something was off with Kermit and figured it out - particularly if this had been done on 'The Muppet Show'".

    I just want to say that I love Walter too and I don't resent him in any way, but I do sometimes feel that he might be taking a place that Scooter used to have, because they are quite similar. I even felt that way after TM came out, and worried a little that the writers might struggle, or just decide to give Walter lines and actions that Scooter would probably do.

    It's interesting, a few weeks ago, I was listening to a MMW Q&A on the podcast 'Q&A with Jeff Goldsmith' with Nicholas Stoller and James Bobin. And there was more or less an admission from Bobin that they do struggle a little between Scooter and Walter.

    Here's a transcript of that bit for those who haven't listened to it (it's at the 56 minute mark for those who might want to listen to that or just the whole thing in general, which is really good btw):

    I was thinking of maybe creating a separate thread for this and ask what other people felt about this, but I thought it would probably be best to just do it here (Apologies if I'm going off-topic from previous posts.) Does anyone else think that Walter might take over a little from Scooter in some way?

    I mean, I am grateful and happy with the role he was given in this film (he was still given more to do than he got in TMM and TGMC), but I sometimes feel that maybe it was a missed opportunity for Scooter to be the one to feel something was off with Kermit, and to leave with Fozzie and Animal to get him back.
     
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  11. Duke Remington

    Duke Remington Well-Known Member


    I don't. It irritates me that there have been some yahoo's out there that have falsely-accused Walter of being a Scooter replacement, which he is not in the slightest possible manner.
     
  12. Ruahnna

    Ruahnna Well-Known Member

    I am loving the interviews with the Muppets. I am not enjoying the interviews with the writers very much. I'm pretty tired of hearing how dumb the muppets are. Here's my observation--they weren't that dumb until YOU guys started writing for them. Get it now?
     
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  13. Gonzo & Camilla

    Gonzo & Camilla New Member

    Exactly. If we're watching the interviews, we obviously have an interest in the Muppets. Why would we want to hear a lot of negativity about them?
     
  14. Pinkflower7783

    Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member

    Umm...wow
     
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  15. Ruahnna

    Ruahnna Well-Known Member


    Duke, I found your comment interesting, in that the writers actually admitted that they were, in fact substituting Walter for Scooter in some of the situations they created and the lines they gave to certain characters. Some fans are merely commenting on what is actually happening, not falsely accusing Walter of something. (It's not Walter's fault either way.)

    I like Walter. He's very endearing and sweet.

    But Scooter earned his place in with The Muppets over years of faithful service and, like Piggy, cannot be replaced--not even with a cutie like Walter. One of my favorite deleted lines from The Muppets was Scooter's comment about how Tex Richman now owns them--it's very earnest and moving and very, very Scooter-like.

    Unlike Walter, who came from a loving and supportive family, Scooter was pretty much thrown to the wolves...er, the Muppets...and managed to make a home for himself among them. Kermit depends on him, Piggy counts on him and everyone else knows that he is usually the go-to person. (Apt for a former go-fer!) Scooter is like the baby left on their doorstep--they took him in and raised him!

    These two likable young muppets do have something in common--neither of them were "born" into the Muppets--both of them were claimed by the Muppets as one of their own. What a nice, comforting thought--for all of us!

    Anyone's comments are welcome.
     
  16. FletchySRF3088

    FletchySRF3088 Active Member

    I love this. What a beautiful description of my favourite go-fer!
     
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  17. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    1000 likes! :halo:
     
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  18. Slackbot

    Slackbot Well-Known Member

    If I were to write Walter, I'd keep in mind that, unlike the others, he's not a performer. He's a fan. In MMW he's the one Muppet who sees the show not from the point of view of a performer who finally is free of Kermit's restrictions and can do whatever dumb act he has his heart set on, but of someone who grew up with and loved TMS. He knows what looks good, and when things go wrong it hurts so bad he has to speak up and, in a trembly voice, criticize his idols.

    Let Walter remain the ascended fanboy, the one with the outsider viewpoint. I don't see him being a regular performer on the shows they put on, although he may sing and dance his heart out in the framing bits. Scooter is the practical dude who runs around stage-managing during the show, putting out occasional fires like "Kermit" fainting (something Walter would never do) and otherwise doing a whole lot of esoteric administration work so Kermit can focus on managing the show.

    One thing I noticed the first time I saw the movie, and I don't believe I ever mentioned it: when Floyd tells Animal that they've agreed that Dominic is always right, look at the bags under animal's eyes. The fleece looks like it was cut wrong or not glued down, because there's a noticeable strip of exposed foam right against his eyes.
     
  19. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Walter was great in this movie. It's just that we've been waiting for the original Muppets to get the spotlight back for so long and in MMW it mostly felt like I was watching a group photo rather than getting to know the characters again.
     
  20. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    Well I think for Scooter, Rowlf and the band they need to maybe give them somewhat more depth. Some of them have been silent, or seen and not heard for quite some time, and now since they have good solid voices they need to be doing more. Maybe working with different relationships and skits. They has slowly started this with the Toyota ad's and Floyd and Pepe. So lets see some more of that!
     
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