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Discussion in 'Sesame Street' started by Phillip, Sep 25, 2010.
Holy cow, they're playing "I Gotta Be Clean"!
You see how good a story can be when Elmo actually EMOTES and is used as a character instead of a mascot? There's nothing better than Zoe's pet rock Rocko to bring out emotion in the little red fuzzball. I especially liked his little Seinfeld-esque "Hello....Rocko."
Other than that, as Oscarfan pointed out, the only other major highlight of the episode was the surprise "I've got to Be Clean" usage. That's a rare one... I only saw it myself a couple times.
I guess we should be thankful we haven't seen any Super Grover 2.0 three times in a season (unless they did for the "new" episodes made out of reruns), but they really dropped the ball in only making 6 segments. But I guess due to budgets and all that they had not much of a choice on that one.
I'd lose whatever Muppetistic integrity I've got if I didn't mention this... those "Do you see X hidden in the rock" segments? They're terrible. Really... just the worst thing on SS I've seen since Time to Play. Dry, not interesting in any way... if they at LEAST had a Muppet character narrate it, it would be significant that there's a Muppet narrating it. Yeah, my hopes (I said this posts earlier) are dashed... they made pretty much made a LOT of those lame things.
And really, anyone else dislike the segment about some lame kid's musician talking about emotions with footage of kids? Really, that seemed like something clear out of any other show EXCEPT Sesame Street.
As for the film, I only liked it because they haven't been making many non-letter/number segments recently. Stuff like the "I Love My Hair" bit is what they should make more of; they have plenty sponsor inserts.
I agree they need more non-sponser partial non-focus curriculum segments. Though, even if the film were better done, I felt it was twice as long as it should have been.
I dunno... there was something sort of patronizing about the guy's tone that rubbed me the wrong way.
I can't freaking believe they showed TruMud AGAIN! This is getting pathetic.
I Have Seen 3 Episdoes So Far, And They Aren't Tha Bad Actually, Their Pretty Cool!
So, like... no comments on the last 3 episodes of the season? Especially since we had 2 Oscar plot lines in a row?
Realize I haven't been here in awhile, but your comment about Sherlock Hemlock made me think of ANOTHER "obscure" Sesame Muppet - The Amazing Mumford - being that there is now a BAND called "Mumford and Sons", they should USE Mumford (the Muppet) in a segment, perhaps singing a song about the letter M called "Little Letter M" (parody of "Little Lion Man"). I know the original song had a swear in the chorus, but if they can even ATTEMPT to get Katy Perry on the show, I see no reason Mumford and Sons can't be used, parody or otherwise!
I'm really surprised no one's talking about this season now that it's more or less over (at least the entirely new ones, I'm not following the reused footage ones). But I might as well give a round up. And of course, it's going to have a lot of what I was saying the entire season long.
Super Grover 2.o was brilliant. It had an amazing feel of the original Super Grover segments, all the while mocking Super Hero revamps to make them edgier and darker (especially Chris Nolan's Batman movies). However, why were only 6 made? They should have made a few more at least, and while I'm going to discuss that in a second, it leads to multiple views of a singular episode in a supposedly new episode.
Ooh... SW sure spoils its young viewers... 3 new Abby segments after ones that aired 3 times already? Add to the fact the season expanded into 40 something episodes. There are just about 13 episodes of that segment... add it to last season and the extra episodes of this one... that's 70 episodes to fit 13 episodes into... you're guaranteed to see them all at least 5 or 6 times. Not counting reruns. They really made a HUGE mistake making it a daily segment, instead of an alternating one. No matter how many Michael Jackson or Zha Zha Gabor jokes they make, they're not funny or interesting after the 6th time. This is becoming the show's dead weight, and way before its time too.
Which gets me to the repeated footage. I said it so many times this season, but let's face it... they did it so many times. COOL IT with the repeat footage. You have 26 "new" episodes this season, and an additional 14 ones made out of old episodes. You have at least 15 years of newer footage that can fit into the extra slots and you wind up showing TruMud and Will I Am twice. I know there's an annoying budget problem over there, but there's no excuse for that.
All reused footage, especially longer 10 minute segments do is give kids the excuse to change on to one of a hundred inferior competitors. If they want to keep their viewership, they NEED to limit the reused footage, and put longer TV parody segments on a shelf for a year to be used season after the next. This isn't the first season where they could show snappy 30 second segments twice on a single episode like a commercial in one of over a hundred episodes per season.
Onto something a bit more positive, the Aniboom stuff was brilliant. SW needs to start recruiting more indie animators to do curriculum friendly segments. The in-house stuff they have (especially for double digit numbers) is becoming very weak. The "find the number in the pebbles" bit especially. Dull dull dull. I'm sure no kid likes or pays attention to something that dry and visually unappealing.
And above all, when the stories were strong they were VERY strong. When they were weak, they were VERY weak. How many the heck guessing games do we need in a single season? I'm sure there's some pressure on the writers to pump those out. The one with Bert's 2 second cameo was TERRIBLE, and just perfectly generic and exactly the same as Cowmonster Pair from last year (only not half as interesting). I'm really hating the nature initiative more than I hate the health one. Yes, different animals eat different things, sound different and yes... LOOK different. That's like a whole season (half of this and last year's) of similar episodes. The reused footage is one thing, but the identical plot lines? Even little kids WILL take notice and they'll lose more and more viewers to the inferior competition. I HATE initiatives. SW has always dealt with different subject matters WITHOUT shoving it down kids' throats so bluntly.
But then again, the episodes that were good were GREAT! Oscar's Grouch Mothers' Day? That's an instant classic. Iron Monster? We need to bring him back with Elmo as Wash Machine in 2 years. Big Bird and Snuffy were in some epic ones as well. We need more fun episodes like that and less "Which one of these animals is a specific species" junk.
Overall a very mixed bag, slightly better than last year.
Yeah. I noticed that, but I can comment on 'Dirtballs' now since I've seen it for the first time today. Overall, I thought that was a good episode. Oscar plots are always good because it's a twist from the usual plot. Sort of like in animation and in movies when the villian tries to wreck havoc, but the good guys prevail using the bad guy to wallow in his own misery. It was a shame they deleted the scene with Bert though. It would have been nice to see that. But it was good to see Susan in that ep. That's the first she appeared twice per season in quite a while. I also liked the Super Grover 2.0 bit.
Grover: It's like talking to a brick wall.
Chicken: It IS a brick wall.
I knew that joke was coming. : )
I guess that's the trouble with seeing those episodes so late in the season. Seems like people stop paying attention to this thread after a while. Oh, well. What can you do?
Don't take it so bad... people stopped paying attention to this thread when the new episodes were still on. Such a shame, as I wanted to hear everyone's end of season opinions. That way we can really have a conversation.
Anything i'd say would almost be as repetitive as season 41 was, thematically and as far as filler goes.
Seriously... Hasbro better have some choice stuff, and it had better be reasonably priced. SW needs a LOT of money to make sure we don't see the same stuff that much in a 26 episode season again.
For me, even though I haven't seen every episode , I thought the season was really good. They brought back Two Headed Monster and from what I heard they made a new Ernie song! It was definitely a good season! One of my favorite parts from the whole season was will.i.am's number! Great song! One of my favorite episodes was Dirtballs! That song in there was so catchy! The season, to me, was downright awesome! Plus we got to see Super Grover 2.0!
I know I'm late to this, but I'd like to give my opinions. Ironically, I've been too busy with other Sesame-related projects to come on MC in a while. I'll elaborate on that later.
I'm glad to say that they saved the best, or at least two of the best episodes for last (storywise, anyway).
Oscar, as always, was in top form (or should I say rotten form?) in the Dirtballs and Grouch's Mother's Day episodes.
First, the Dirtballs one could only have been better if they had included Bert. Why the heck CAN'T they include Bert on the street if Eric is there to perform? It would give the chance to see him out of his "claymation" form. Any episode that features Oscar or Big Bird gets a thumbs up from me. It's a refreshing break from the constant red menace footage.
True, Oscar's plans to dirty up Sesame Street were thwarted. However, I saw in an interview where Caroll Spinney said he liked when Oscar's plans backfired sometimes. Looks like they granted his wish.
My favorite episode (if I had to pick a favorite) would be the Grouch's Mother's Day one. I don't want to ruin it for anyone who hasn't seen it, but the sibling rivalry and grouchy presents alone were something that could have come right out of an episode from the 1990's or even the 1980's. Plus, we got to see Bob (he sang with Gordon and Chris in this one), and the Sloppy Jalopy!
When they're aired again, enjoy the Oscar and Big Bird stories while you can, folks. It's the only break we get from the red menace. Eventually, grouch stories on the street will become like the revised version of the book "A Grouch's Christmas". Just...scroll down on that link.
A small side note--I'm so glad that Sesame Workshop has the Video section up with all those old clips on there. With the whole block format, about half of the show is on an endless repeating loop that isn't half as educational as what you can find in many of the classic bits from the show's "magazine format" years. I'm looking at EW, AFFS and the "what's up next?" framing bits with Murray.
I also had a comment about the way the show is filmed. It's filmed digitally, of course, but with the "widescreen" format, what about kids who don't have a TV set up like that? I thought of that becuase my TV is an older one. On some of the counting
segments especially, I noticed that if there are, say 12 items counted, sometimes only 8 are visible onscreen. I've noticed edges of words and some letters are cut off, too.
Obviously, I know how to read and count...but what about a kid who watches the show on a non-widescreen TV? The voice says "12" but only 8 eggs are visible. Did the researchers at SW realize that not all kids have newer TVs? It wouldn't take much to scoot the letters, numbers, etc. more towards the center of the shot so all the kids can see them.
Bravissimo! It's episodes like those that reassure me: someone on the writing staff still cares more about doing memorable, funny stories that teach without forcing a curriculum initiative down toddlers' throats.
Not only that, but Bert's neat-freak attitude makes him the perfect character for Oscar to annoy with dirt. It's a shame the writers missed that opportunity!
Agreed...though I wonder what happened to the "messing machine" that Leela agreed to keep in the laundromat last season? That would've been perfect for the "Rakhi Road" scene when Oscar needed his new bowling shirt dirtied up.
I noticed the cutoff especially on the Indian-themed cartoon about counting to 19: once the numbers got above 12, some objects simply didn't show at the edges of my old-style TV (which I got brand-new 3 years ago, mind you). I imagine some poor preschooler getting very confused about those big numbers when they look alike to him!
Absolutely; the producers need to test new clips on both screen styles to make sure kids can see the whole thing either way. If too much goes missing...back to the drawing board!
That makes me wonder... Now, I wouldn't exactly say the writers DIDN'T plan that... the press release did say Bert was in there, so I'm guessing they got an earlier version of the draft when either Eric wasn't available, or there were revisionary edits to cut for time, and they had to write him out last minute. The press statement guy probably got an early draft of the script to work off of, maybe even just the initial story outline (the first start in any script writing, mind you... remember, Super Grover was supposed to be in an episode last year, but wasn't). I will see this, I'm not all that familiar with Flight of the Concords... so was the "Burt" character a reference to something, or did they just give him that name for the sake of a rhyme?
I could get on a whole thing about continuity, but I won't. There are shows that painstakingly try to get continuity down and still manage the occasional slip up.
Well, on a regular TV, you usually have the option of having cropped or letterbox... at least if you have that digital thing....but I'm hearing a LOT of stations, even digital ones, are refusing to air it in letterbox format. And the whole thing is a sham because there's such an inconsistency with letterbox on that show. They refuse to recycle episodes before the switch over (which would open up a LOT more possibilities), and they tend to favor new skits that use it... but all and all, when they HAVE to use full frame they use it... Elmo's world being a prime example. I still say, do what BTL does and make CGI curtains, or even tacky looking boarders for those FF segments, and during the wide frame stuff, keep the major action in the middle of the screen. Just shove random little bits on the sides, like oddball background cameos or more classic episode Easter eggs.
EW just can't be taken off the show no matter how hard they try. Trust me. I want it replaced, you want it replaced, SW seems to regret doing it now, there hasn't been a new episode since last season, and that was only 1... and the sad part is, some of the oldest stuff on the show is old EW segments. but nothing can be done about it. I want to see a test of 2 full episodes that end with either Goodnight Elmo or Elmo's Backyard. As for Abby and the tune ins, that's their own fault. Look at the Ernie and Bert's Great Adventures segments... 5 minutes each, produced well over a year in advance, used so sparingly that we have well over 26 episodes, and we haven't even seen half of them in the US yet. Abby... 8 minutes, produced the year it was added, only 13 episodes, and daily. And they held 3 episodes over.
Now, I tend to LIKE the Abby segment. The only problem I have with the content is that the action is so rarely Abby's fault. The jokes are snappy, the references are clever, the characters are wonderful, and as much as I dreaded the thought of the segment, I actually find it a warm and welcome change from the repetitiveness of Elmo's World. And it has a PLOT! Imagine if all EW's had a plot and watched like a show instead of a Blue's Clues-esque infomercial for feet or something. However, at the 5th or 6th time in a supposedly "new" episode jokes about Zha Zha Gabor, M.C. Hammer, the Ramones, and Michael Jackson just aren't funny, no matter what.
Again, the problem I have with Abby is that it could easily be edited down to 5 minutes, and it SHOULD have been a revolving segment with Super Grover 2.0 (I love that one like a son, but I really hate they only made enough to rerun them twice even IN rotation), Ernie and Bert, and Murray had a little Lamb. Or 2 of each. I'm wondering if shorter Abby segments could have translated into more segments. The choice was obvious, either order 26 episodes worth of segments, or not have the things be daily. Even had they produced a secondary set of 13 episodes for this season, it wouldn't have been so bad.
That said, I welcome stuff like Munchin' Impossible, Count TV and all that. we just need to ROTATE these things so we don't see the same 5 over and over. Even 3 year olds will know.
That's actually a good question. I don't know why they would name an AM Burt, when they already have a 'Bert' who would even have made an appearance if his scene hadn't been cut out. I suppose for the sake of rhyming they could have called him Curt or something, so maybe you're right about 'Flight of the Concords' whatever the heck that is.
So the names don't exactly match up, but they are still parody names... Bert is an anagram of Bret... clearly had to call hum "Burt" to avoid confusion. And the characters are puppet caricatures of them.
I've never actually seen this series yet, but I DO know the bit at the end is a direct parody of what they do on the show
Okay, I get it. Though I think calling Bret, Burt might more likely have been to make it rhyme with 'dirt.' I'm not sure how they got 'Hiram' out of 'Jermaine' though. I'm thinking another reason the names were changed might have been because of copyright issues.
I've noticed there has been several appearances of Gabi in street scenes in season 41, while Miles hasn't (he only appeared in a segement about the number 1) and I also agree the indie AniBoom segements are great:something there should be more of in the future.
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