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Your Thoughts: The Street We Live On

Discussion in 'Sesame Street' started by Phillip, Apr 4, 2004.

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What did you think of "The Street We Live On" special?

Poll closed Jul 3, 2004.
  1. I thought it was good

    38 vote(s)
    42.2%
  2. I was very disappointed

    52 vote(s)
    57.8%

  1. DancingLauren

    DancingLauren New Member

    And I thought I was the only one who hated Elmo. Hee hee hee. I want kick that red rug off of sesame street for good! The best part of the whole show was the GOOD flashbacks during the credits, when they showed all the years... like "the king of 8s", all the ernie and bert stuff, "teeny little superguy" and all that. Good old sesame days. This is what i have to stay to the NEW sesame street: :p :(
  2. Cheebo

    Cheebo New Member

    First off I loved it. Also Elmo rocks. You Elmo bashers make me sick.

    The Good:
    - A lot more Snuffy than I expected
    -The classic sketches like Song of 10 and Typewriter guy.
    -Dance My Self To Sleep (my personal favorite E&B son).
    -Grover OWNED the show he made it perfect.
    Grover: Look its Gordon...and he still bald. I guess somethings never change.
    -The freaking peacock. Grover tried to show us a nice Chinese dance but the peacock kept tap dancing.
    -Bert on Elmo's World.
    "Bert: Have you seen Ernie?
    Elmo: Yeah he was playing hide & seek with Big Bird!
    Bert: Oh..er where am I?
    Elmo: DOODODODO! ELMO'S WORLD!
    Bert: Er... how does one get off of Elmo's World?
    Elmo: Elmo doesn't know"
    - Kermit The Frog!!!!!
    - The taxi voice over by Elmo about seat belts
    - They showed David & Oliva! I thought Sesame Workshop pretended they never existed.
    - Freaking Mr. Hooper! It was so touching seeing him play with those kids.
    - The closing song. Really touching stuff.
    - The ending montage of the classic clips from EVERY year of the show including great stuff like Hooper's death, tiny little super guy, One of these things is not like the other, the first shows opening, Slimey in space..etc.
    - Mahna Mahna over the ending credits a nice treat.

    The Bad:
    - A little to much Elmo much like the 30th Anniversary special. I love Elmo but some stuff went a little overboard.
    - We didn’t need the "How does cookie monster eat a cookie?" stuff. They could of done something with Mr. Noodle that was...more anniversaryish.
    - The time travel stuff was too short.
    - Aww come on why did we need the oprea "C Is For Cookie"? I want the Cookie Monster one!


    Overall the good outweighs the bad and I still think this is the best of the 3 anniversary shows I saw(35th, 30th, & 25th I never saw 20th)
  3. Mickey Moose

    Mickey Moose New Member

    Dissapointed SS Fan

    I was also disappointed with the special overall. While I appreciated the classic bits included, it just didn't feel like the "special" they advertised. I mean, if it was advertised for it's normal time slot, I wouldn't have room to complain too much. I suppose I was spoiled by the previous anniversary shows I've seen(20th, 25th) I don't think I ever saw the 30th special, if there was one.

    I look more foward to the DVD release this week. At least I know what I'm getting with that.

    And I echo the sentiments of other fans, there should be some sort of "classic" reissue of older SS footage and clips, either in primetime or on DVD. There is a market for it, I can't believe they haven't explored it.

    Well, if the recent DVD does well, maybe it will open the doors for more classic DVD releases.
  4. GonzoPimp

    GonzoPimp New Member

    Well, its seems like most people didn't like the special, and the ones that did either seem have a personal connection to the show or are in denial. There are always those people-especially on this site-that love the Muppets and SS no matter how junky it is. They seem to think they are loyal and don’t realize as long as people support junk thats what you get (Home on the Range-Starring Rosanne Bar!?!).

    Elmo's World is a rip off of Blues Clues-though not as good-and SS has become Barney with Elmo talking T-Tex-except Elmo
    A) seems to have an imaginary friend or
    B) Prefers to talk in third person, which supposedly has to do with "how kids talk" though I deal with 100 kids a day and I've never heard one talk like that.


    It’s really sad. There is magic missing from SSTNG (Sesame Street the Next Generation).

    Also Kevin Clash and Elmo have the SS peps by their pair. I noticed he co-directed the special filled with Elmo...though I hear he is a really nice guy -two old ladies told me that once (no joke!).

    bottom line: An Anniversary Special should not have to “fit in” as regular show to save money, and Elmo (no matter how you feel about him) should not have super sized TV screen time.
  5. Splurge

    Splurge Member

    My first thought why Elmo talked in third person what because that's what a lot of the early Henson monsters would do. I remember Cookie Monster refered to himself as "Monster" at times in early skits, although "me" became his first person pronoun of choice.
  6. GonzoPimp

    GonzoPimp New Member

    I'm pretty sure I read Kevin Clash's an explanation of Elmo's voice being based on his Nephews or some other 3 year old kids. I can't seem to find it now. Though I'm sure, someone will post a link or a lengthy explanation soon enough.

    I'll keep looking though.
  7. Cheebo

    Cheebo New Member


    I dont have a personal connection to Elmo. But I love him and Elmo's World and I am not in denial and I betcha all the other supporters arent either.
  8. GonzoPimp

    GonzoPimp New Member

    sorry to make you sick. but...

    Doesn't this mean you didn't like the special? If you think there was too much Elmo, imagine me (us) and not enough time traveling-meaning you wanted to see older things or not see things you did.
  9. GonzoPimp

    GonzoPimp New Member

    Sorry for my the rude behavior and name calling. That’s not very nice. But…

    Can we at least agree that Elmo's World is a rip off of Blue's Clues?
    The visuals, the way Elmo happens to be alone (for the most part) and has to talk directly to the camera, the way we hear children's voices but never see them, and the kicker is we look for Ernie (just like we look for Clues)?

    But like I said before it is not as good. At least you have to think a little with the clues, get to see a drawing, and watch Steve (or whoever it is now) dance.

    It’s a sad day when the most groundbreaking kids TV program takes its cues from Nick Jr. It just makes me bitter and mean.
    Sorry.
  10. Cheebo

    Cheebo New Member

    Just because I didn't say it was perfect doesnt mean I didn't love it. Also a ripoff of blues clues? Blues Clues is about searching for clues and putting together to what it means that doesnt fit Elmo's World. If anything is like Blues Clues is Journey To Ernie. Also if it is a "ripoff" at all on Sesame Street who cares? Blues Clues was amazingly popular with little kids meaning that style worked. Sesame's random skitness was making the show not do so well. When the followed the new style, the more morden type of childrens programming ratings shot up meaning kids love the new "blues clues ripoff". And thats ALL the matters.
  11. GonzoPimp

    GonzoPimp New Member

    Hum...I think we have different definitions of "love it." Mine falls close to amazing whiles your love seems to meander around average.


    Wow, you are so right and I am so wrong. Can you ever forgive me?

    I agree...

    but its not right?

    but its not a rip-off right?

    so basically what you are saying is that you loved the show (even though you had problems with it) and its not a rip off, its just copied a successful formula.

    Hum...

    PS have you turned 18 yet?
  12. GonzoPimp

    GonzoPimp New Member

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    Did you really just say that? That "random skitness" was designed to be entertaining-like "Laugh-In" (don't worry it was before your time) and just so you know Sesame Street was doing a whole lot better then, then it is now.

    By "New Style" or "More modern type of children's programming" do you mean taking to kids like they are slow? That’s not modern-its been around as long as television. Ever wondered how Capt. Kangaroo got a show? It began with another Puppet, Hoody Doody. Bob Keshan (Clarabelle the Clown or Capt Kangaroo) didn't like the way Buffalo Bob talked down to the kids. He felt they had more intelligence. He left and a few shows later he was Capt. Kangaroo.

    Taking to "kids at home" through the camera isn't new either-it has its beginnings in puppet theatre. And in the very first children’s TV programs that’s what they all they all did.

    So, by "new" do you mean new to You-kinda like Old NBC re-runs?

    If you think its ok to be a follower and not a leader or innovator, then I feel sorry for you.
  13. Cheebo

    Cheebo New Member

    The random skitness was doing better? How so? Carroll Spinney said the ratings jumped a very large amount (I believe it was 20%) when it hit season 33. Also I love average things? How does my few faults make it average to me? I think you disliked the few things I listed more than me. The whole Elmo's World thing yes went to far but barely, it wasn't that bad of a fault at all. It barely effected the quality of the show. And no I am not 18, I will be this summer. I grew up with Elmo being a main character. That is why I think our opinions differ. We grew up in a differnt generation of Sesame. The whole Telly, Elmo, & Baby Bear stuff feels nostalgic for me since the early 90's Sesame was when I was in its key demographic. I fall in the "new generation" of Sesame. That is why I think I love the special so much and you can't seem to understand that. I don't want to argue. It is useless. We see Sesame in two differnt ways. You see the change as bad and miss the good ol' days. While all I know is Elmo days other than Unpaved stuff.
  14. Stulz

    Stulz Member

    :attitude:

    I think this is definately the pure dividing line of this argummnet.
    The over 20 year olds and the new generation really are seeing 2 different shows. SS to us is Big Bird's show. The new shows are Elmo's.

    If it is an aniversary special, and promoted as one in it's pess release, it should be just that - A special. not a regular episode. This would allow them to blend the 2 Sesame "generations" better.

    The "dumbing down of the show" is so beacuse they changed their target audience. It's easier for an adult to watch a show for six year old then it is to watch a show for 2-3 years olds. Six year olds have a much more developed brain then 2-3 year olds, and therefore the writing can be a more sophitacted. - (relatively, of course .. I mean this IS SS we are talking about here.)

    I'm am truly sorry for this new generation to have this "new" SS be thier SS!

    We really can't let him fairly debate the merits and quality of the 35th Ann. special when he hasn't seen the others. We need to enlighten him.
    Some one - anyone, please send Cheebo copies of the 20th and 25th anniversay specials. Then he can at least compare them to this latest "special" and know what high standards the rest of us are holding these Anniversay shows to.

    :attitude:
  15. Cheebo

    Cheebo New Member

    I own the 25th DVD but I hear there was a differnt one on TV. TV specials I saw was this and Elmopalooza(Loved that too I remember watching my taped verison off It from tv nearly daily). I never seen 20th though. The 25th DVD was part of my time it was from '94 remember. And I know what classic Sesame is kinda I guess. My time was late 80's(Elmo was already on under Kevin Clash as main character by that point) to early 90's though. Classic wise I have seen some Sesame Unpaved(around only 10 or so episodes though) and I own Follow That Bird and the stuff that appears on specials like the 25th DVD.
  16. jzion12345

    jzion12345 New Member

    I have seen research that states that kids have grown up watching half hour videos of Barny, the Wiggles, Elmo, etc. Unlike the 60's and 70's, kids have a LONGER attention span now. They are accustomed to sitting down and watching stuff for long periods of time. This is why Elmo's world and Journey to Ernie are so long. Plus, kids watch the same things over and over and over. While that might not be the best thing, they expect things to be a certain way. Things being edited like "Laugh-In" would not work when kids are used to Elmo's World being followed by Hero Guy. That is why the show is so formulaic now. It gets kids coming back for more the next day.

    That might be the most insulting thing I have ever heard. One thing Sesame Street never has and never will do is talk down to kids. SS talks to kids on an equal level. The problem I think you have is that the core audience of the show has changed from 5 and 6 year olds to 3 year olds. Of course you're going to target them differently.

    Hey...Sesame Street has ben an innovator for years. Many a program copied off of the success of SS. But, ratings slipped. When ratings slip, you always look at what's successful. Nick Jr is very sucessful. I'm not surprised that SS took some elements from Blues Clues and adapted it to their show. I actually commend them for realizing this, and I think it's an honor for a relative baby to be copied by the grandfather or childrens programming.
  17. blancalion

    blancalion New Member

    I only caught the end (from the time travel on). The clips at the end were cool. And Ma-na-ma-na (how many versions of this are there?) (I've seen three!) is always nice.

    While it was nice to see clips of weddings and stuff, it was way too short. Mr. Hooper's place on the Street is more than an "Oh, its called Mr. Hooper's store because Mr. Hooper used to work here." He was "the grandfather" of all the kids and Muppets. He gave Big Bird birdseed milkshakes for free. He helped Big Bird when he didn't know a word or concept. If I am not mistaken he gave Radar to Big Bird. It was his picture that hung in the back of Big Bird's house all those years.

    Big Bird was the kid, the cute one, before Elmo filled that role. Mr. Hooper was like a parent to Big Bird. He deserved more than 15 seconds and a dedication at the end of the show.

    Elmo didn't learn about his street, he merely looked though some old photos.

    But we did get to see Kermit which was cool! :)
  18. gildir

    gildir New Member

    Michael Jeter and the 10 Bells

    The dedication at the end actually wasn't to Will Lee, who played Mr. Hooper; it was to the late Michael Jeter, who played Mr. Noodle's brother Mr. Noodle. That made sense because, if I'm not mistaken, there were no clips of Jeter in the special, whereas there were clips of Will Lee, Northern Calloway, Jim Henson as both Kermit and Ernie (it was Henson who sang "Dance Myself to Sleep", wasn't it?), and the work of the deceased songwriters. (And, of course, the loss of Jeter is the most recent loss. I seem to recall that some special years ago, I don't know which one, was dedicated to Joe Raposo's memory shortly after he passed away.) That's why I wish there had also been a clip of the late Lynne Thigpen rather than the clip of Tony Bennett, although of course it was less important to pay tribute to her because her appearance on Sesame Street was only a short-term guest role. (But "Carmen Sandiego" makes her a legend of PBS children's shows in her own right.)

    I saw Sesame Street again yesterday and today. Believe it or not, yesterday's episode was "The Street We Live On" again! Have they changed the nature of the episode rotation this season? This time WGBH had a voiceover during "Mahna Mahna" (and they couldn't be expected not to for the third time in one week). I noticed that not only were the numbers in the "10 bells" segment in a different font (as someone else pointed out), but the "10" on the tenth bell didn't zoom forward and fill the screen like the other "10"s. That was probably already true when I saw the segment as a small child in the early 80's, and supports the belief that the "10 bells" replaced "10 Little Indians".

    Today's episode featured a reused "Elmo's World" with Michael Jeter. The nature of his role on the show, seemingly an imaginary man living in his own little part of an imaginary world within the larger world of Sesame Street, clearly makes it much easier to continue featuring him on the show after his death than would have been the case with Will Lee and Northern Calloway. (And the Jim Henson Ernie still appears reasonably often -- I believe the Ernie and Bert segment used on Tuesday came from the Henson era.)
  19. GonzoPimp

    GonzoPimp New Member

    yes, I've heard that too. But these studies are done by the same people who believe cookie monster promotes bad eating habits.
    Attention spans are a hard thing to define and judge-especially over decades. I wouldn’t just accept an explanation like that without fully understanding the study and understanding studies in general.

    It’s nice to have an explanation to feed to the public without saying, "Ya, we just decided to copy Barney."

    I'll give you that the changing target age group makes a huge difference, but I contend if you watch old Sesame Street and SSTNG there is a difference in tone outside the target age change.



    No, no, no. Stop thinking inside the box. Stop thinking there is a box. Recycled Junk produces junk. Look at Hollywood. You have to be one stop ahead of everyone else. Doing you're own thing. That’s what has made SS Historic-it looked at everyone else and said "No! We are going to do something completely different!!" that’s what is so disappointing and sad.

    -out
  20. GeeBee

    GeeBee New Member

    I wonder why they changed to a younger audience anyway. I remember when PBS had the system just right. Mr. Rogers was for the very young children, Sesame Street could be for a little older ones, and The Electric Company was for children that were older still. The whole thing is somewhat arbitrary anyway since I'm sure that children between the ages of 2-3 have been watching Sesame Street since its inception. There was never anything inappropriate for younger children, it just targeted a wider audience.


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