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Your Thoughts: TMS Season 1 DVD

Discussion in 'Muppet Merchandise' started by Phillip, Aug 6, 2005.

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Because there are scenes edited from The Muppet Show DVDs:

  1. I am no longer buying the set

    6 vote(s)
    5.3%
  2. I haven't decided yet

    8 vote(s)
    7.0%
  3. I'm still buying the set

    100 vote(s)
    87.7%

  1. Phillip

    Phillip Administrator Staff Member

    With The Muppet Show Season 1 set to release next Tuesday August 9, here is our review of the release. From the original openings to the cut scenes to the pitch reel, find out all the details of this box set. Post here and let us know what you think about the box set.

    http://www.muppetcentral.com/articles/reviews/dvd/tms_season_1.shtml

    If you have any questions that aren't answered here, let us know and we'll try to help.
  2. Traveling Matt

    Traveling Matt New Member

    Sorry, these edits are unacceptable. I'm not buying the set, period.
  3. KCJ506

    KCJ506 New Member

    NOOOO!! Why Disney? Why? Time-Life can release uncut versions. Why can't they?

    I've been looking forward to this for months now and they ruin it for me. How could they take out "You've Got A Friend In Me?" That's the best part of the Vincent Price episode.
  4. JaniceFerSure

    JaniceFerSure Active Member

    Finished reading the review of TMS dvd S1,not very happy.I am happy to see that the original shows will be released,but to cut out those certain songs,does not make me happy.They were a great and memorable part of those episodes;however,at least I remember them & just accept the results.I'll still by the set & enjoy what is left. *sigh*:smirk:
  5. That Announcer

    That Announcer New Member

    I've realized what I can compare the TMS controversy to: the Live Aid controversy. When Live Aid was released on DVD there a while back, some footage had been lost; some was of such poor quality that it was unreleasable even if restoration was done; some footage suffered from problems on the day of taping (a generator infamously exploded during the Who's performance). So, all the missing or "bad" footage was left out of the set. However, there were about ten hours of existing performances, plus bonus features, plus a 45-minute documentary that was on the set. Fans of Live Aid were outraged, saying that the entire concert should have been released. The reason all of that was left out was because it couldn't be included.

    The same thing is going on with this set. The five songs are out of the set because the rights are so prohibitive that they just can't be released. The same thing happened with the Ed Sullivan disc a few years back.

    Now look: Muppet fans have been waiting for season sets of TMS since the first DVD was released. Now, don't let the omission of five songs (probably totalling up to about twenty-five minutes of footage) ruin the experience of seeing the first season of TMS in beautiful picture quality and wonderful sound, with great bonus features and packaging for you. It just shouldn't happen. Buy the set, and revel in what is there. Don't focus on what has been left out.
  6. hehehe

    hehehe Member

    Amen, ThatAnnouncer! This is the First and possibly only time that Season 1 will be released, people! With origional openings, no less! Only five songs omitted people. That is pretty dang good considering that tere's 24 episodes! :) I am getting this first day, people!
  7. That Announcer

    That Announcer New Member

    Glad to see someone agrees with me. It just seems awfully dumb to give up enjoying the entire first season of TMS because five songs aren't there.

    And a warning to you: Disney and most other film companies use your reactions to DVDs to judge if they should release more. So, if a revolution is staged, and the first season of TMS doesn't sell all that well, it's possible more won't be released.

    And I too will be buying it the first day and going straight home after I get it. I'll be picking up MWoO at the same time.
  8. MWoO

    MWoO Active Member

    I've got all 24 episodes off the net so there is no reason for me to spend the money to buy edited episodes. I just do not like these edits. i mean it's disney. They can't work something outto get the rights? And how many others songs are going to be cut in the next box set and the next?
  9. JaniceFerSure

    JaniceFerSure Active Member

    I'm not complaining about what was left out,at least I got to see them,that's what counts in my memory bank.:)
  10. rexcrk

    rexcrk Active Member

    So what happened to the Jim Henson retrospective that I had heard about early on? I was looking forward to that :(

    I've got this set pre-ordered and I can't wait until it gets here!

    I'm not happy about all the edits though, but I guess I'll be able to deal with it (considering I've probably never seen most, if not all of these episodes).
  11. Exatron

    Exatron New Member

    I find it hard to believe that Disney, one of the biggest media giants can't get the rights to release the episodes without edits. What makes it worse is that they lied and said that the set was completely restored. As it stands now, I don't care if it bankrupts the company, Disney is obligated to fix the omissions by whatever means necessary.

    Revolution is an appropriate course of action. If they can't do this set right, they'll just botch the other seasons unless we tell them how to get it right. Buying an inferior product just for the sake of getting future sets is completely inappropriate because it sends the message that we will buy whatever they release, regardless of the quality.
  12. Kimp the Shrimp

    Kimp the Shrimp Active Member

    But Most peopl here didn't i was -2 when TMS Started and 3 when it Ended
  13. Sean Gaffney

    Sean Gaffney New Member

    While I appreciate the disappointment, I think people are not understanding the difficulty of getting rights to music these days - especially for songs that are covers by other artists such as the Muppets. Rights change hands, and it might not just be that the song is too expensive. It could be that when the rights were given in 1976, the handler didn't know what it was being used for, and they object to it being done by Muppets.

    And yes, some songs are just prohibitively expensive, even for Disney. It's not a case of 'pay whatever it takes'. If the rights make it so expensive that the set cannot possibly make a profit no matter how many buy it, they have to take the decision to exclude it from the set. This isn't a service to fans, it's a product that needs to sell $$$.

    That's also why I can see, although I am annoyed a bit, why they didn't advertise this. The cuts are not great in number, as Disney likely felt it was better to annoy a few hardcore Muppet fans and have casual viewers not know anything was missing than say the sets were incomplete and have sales drop. It's business, like all DVDs are. This is why WKRP in Cincinnati is not on DVD, and likely never will be.

    That being said, perhaps the Muppet Research fans can dig in and finds who owns the rights to the missing songs. That way we might know what episodes are in jeopardy on future sets. Also, I want to note that if Season 1 sells really well, Disney will have more impetus to pay a bit more for rights to Seasons 2-5.
  14. That Announcer

    That Announcer New Member

    Being a purist really can tear down your enjoyment of the Muppets, can't it? The set will be awesome. Also, if you buy this set but you complain about it, there is a high possibility they'll listen to you. I'll now quote from Sean Gaffney:

    He's right. There are five cuts in the set, amounting to probably about 25 minutes of material gone altogether. Now, if 25 minutes of material is the point at which you decide whether or not to like a DVD set, I'm afraid I don't understand your reasoning. Which would you rather have: a 95% complete DVD set that is reasonably priced, or a fully complete DVD set that is priced VERY high, as profit must be made on it? And if the price on a complete set is that high, Disney would probably make very few of them, knowing that only truly hardcore individuals like yourself would buy it. The rights are prohibitive.

    I am against pan-and-scan only DVD releases, as up to 30% of the picture could be lost in the cropping process. However, on this set, maybe 5% of the material is gone over... let me see here... around 11 hours of material! Wow! That's barely anything to complain about. I honestly do not see the problem here. Tremendous value, a great television show, quality bonus materials, all on an official release that you can buy at a very reasonable price? Why bother complaining?
  15. anathema

    anathema Active Member

    A few things to consider...

    - Some music rights are not available at any price. You may have Bill Gates' bank balance behind you, but if the rights holder refuses to grant you a licence, there's nothing you can do. So it may not be Disney's fault.

    - It's not exactly difficult to get hold of these shows uncut anyway. The only tricky part is getting hold of certain of the original openings, but most of them are in general circulation if you know where to look.

    - Did anyone really expect anything better from Disney? I don't know about the US, but their track record with home video releases in the UK is less than stellar...


    For myself, I'll buy it if they release a decent PAL boxset.
  16. Movies205

    Movies205 New Member

    ***? This is uncalled for since a lot of time and effort went into this set and sometimes it's unavoidable the only thing I'd be annoyed at is the cutting of the original pilot but really that's something I'd watch once so I don't really care.
  17. Kimp the Shrimp

    Kimp the Shrimp Active Member

  18. MrsPepper

    MrsPepper Active Member

    Well, I haven't received my set yet, I get to pick it up at futureshop on tuesday. But a few general comments:

    1. As I haven't had a chance to see most of these episodes, knowing I'm missing a few scenes is a little disconcerting. (just a little). The excitement of being able to see them at all, however, is much, much greater than the dissapointment.

    2. Very excited to hear that original openings are intact, as again I haven't had a chance to see these. So that's a plus for me.

    3. Glad about pitch reel, sad about the last line being cut. But I can get over it. I mean, it's got the logo of a rival company (as we all know Disney has ABC, not CBS) so it's perfectly understandable. The only reason that this point, and number 1 bother me is that I most likely won't get a chance to see it in full. Otherwise, I'm not gonna lose sleep over it.

    4. Really excited to see Sex and Violence!!! (Haha, out of context, that's an amusing sentence) And all the other extras, like the muppet morsels.
  19. Somtimes people are not pleaed with anything, and I think that is so stupid, just be happy that we are even getting the episodes, even if there are 5 freakin songs deleted, for crying out loud, they are just a little part of the magic!
  20. a_Mickey_Muppet

    a_Mickey_Muppet Well-Known Member

    Ha... i got your back on that brother! ;) why cry?

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