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Your Thoughts: TMS Season 1 DVD

Discussion in 'Muppet Merchandise' started by Phillip, Aug 6, 2005.

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Because there are scenes edited from The Muppet Show DVDs:

  1. I am no longer buying the set

    6 vote(s)
    5.3%
  2. I haven't decided yet

    8 vote(s)
    7.0%
  3. I'm still buying the set

    100 vote(s)
    87.7%

  1. jrhzoot

    jrhzoot New Member

    Cut Intro?

    I myself am very excited to get this set and honestly can't believe they actually decided to go with the original openings- how cool is that?

    Anyways there's mention to a few episodes having cut intros. I was just wondering what that means exactly?
    Thanks
  2. Squigiman

    Squigiman Active Member

    Ok, so I started a separate thread and was then pointed out to this one. I am very split, but am also very miffed, mostly about the pitch reel. When it is advertised on the cover, and included obviously as a treat to the diehards like some of us, THIS should be left untouched. It is a huge slap in the face of Jim Henson's creative genius to leave out that one last line. Sure, the thing holds up without it, but being that this is and will most likely forever be the only commercially available form of it, it is very unfair to release it as such. It serves as a tremendous tease. It's as if some long lost Stooges movie or say an Abbot and Costello bit was discovered and "fully restored and remastered from the original footage", but leaving you with only Abbot saying "Say, who was that lady I saw you with, last night?", with COstello's response. I don't usually get so stereotypically angry geeky, but this IS the Muppets, and that is butchery, pure and simple.

    The in-show cuts I could deal with a bit better, though it all still seems to go against the promise of being fully restored or whatever. I guess the war on piracy isn't such a big deal of studios with all the money in the world won't do everything in their massive power to make the stuff available. I'd pay upwards of fifty bucks a season if it was completely unedited, as was originally broadcast, even without extras. Well, maybe not COMPLETELY lacking extras, but with NO coming attractions and commercials for Disney-owned movies and TV shows. People don't buy DVDs to find out what is coming soon to theaters, because when they have those DVDs twenty years later, they won't be. It makes me wish I knew DVD coding so I could bring my Time-Life Vincent Price into the Disney one's rightful chronological placing, though I still want to hear Uncle Deadly say "Guy Lombardo" to match his mouth.

    Let's all demand that the full pitch and other vintage Muppet stuff make it to shelves, what do you say? No cuts! I smell a petition a-brewin'!


    -Squigiman
  3. MrsPepper

    MrsPepper Active Member

    I think that the introductions to certain musical numbers were removed. If the actual skit os gone, why would Kermit talk about it?
  4. Erine81981

    Erine81981 Active Member

    So instead of going to the first thing that was shown back when they first aired it has been took out. So you could have Kermit talking about a skit then it going to another one. Is thats how it is? Thats sucks if they can't use all those skits and musical skits too. Now to wonder if I do want it. Maybe I shoud bid on the whole season set thats on ebay.
  5. BEAR

    BEAR Active Member

    I have not read through all these posts yet, but you guys have absolutely no right to blame Disney for the cut songs as far as i am concerned. If they can't obtain rights to something, it is not their fault. It has absolutely nothing to do with money. If the estate who owns the rights to those songs don't want to give Disney permission to release it, then that is the way it has to be. Disney has no control over this. I am sure if they were able to include it they would. Stop blaming the Disney company for everything gone wrong with the Muppets because it is just petty and sick. Think a little bit. Thank you.
  6. Erine81981

    Erine81981 Active Member

    I not blaming any thing. I just wished I could have the thoes epsiodes compleate. I know that its not Disneys fault or the others who wouldn't let them use those songs or skits. I just don't like things being uncompleate. So I'm going to bid on this one set that has all five seasons and the first season opening. I might later (like Gorgon Heap said) buy it just to have other stuff and to hope get season seasons.
  7. MrsPepper

    MrsPepper Active Member

    If no-one buys this set though, we may not get any others. :/
  8. Erine81981

    Erine81981 Active Member

    I'm finding out if I want to buy that thing on ebay and all. If its not in tacked with all the things that this on has (expect those skits and others) then I won't buy it. All I want is those epsiodes intacked. So if anyone would like to do a trade and send me those epsidoes that have all those skits and musicals I'll do a trade and still buy the DVD season one.
  9. MrsPepper

    MrsPepper Active Member

    Many people can trade you full episodes. For free. So don't buy whatever is on ebay. Buy the season se,t and get the full episodes on here. Try the trading forum.
  10. Erine81981

    Erine81981 Active Member

    You got it MrsPepper. Thanks.
  11. BEAR

    BEAR Active Member

    I'm sorry for my earlier post, it just seemed that people were pointing at Disney to blame for something beyond their control. Thats all.
  12. gooball

    gooball New Member

    Hey guys.

    I have fond memories of The Muppet Show when I watched it in reruns in the very early nineties (I was born in '85), and am looking forward to getting the set. I've only seen one episode (which I downloaded) since my original viewings.

    I'm obviously pretty rusty when it comes to the details. But I was hoping you guys could help clear something up.

    In the dvd review (http://www.muppetcentral.com/articles/reviews/dvd/tms_season_1.shtml)
    it mentions that the episodes feature the 'alternate' closing shot of Zoot (which, if I understand correctly, has been in place for many years).

    What I was wondering was is - aside from replacing one shot of Zoot with another - is the rest of each episodes' close intact? I ask because I remember reading a post somewhere the other day (god knows which site it was at...) in which it sounded like - on certain episodes - there was a 'non-stock' (i.e. different to normal) ending and the 'alternate' Zoot shot meant the viewer missed out on the end of a joke, to which you could still hear the laughter and punchline, etc.

    I'm obviously a bit foggy when it comes to the question, but hopefully you guys get what I'm asking. Does the different shot of Zoot comprimise the end of certain episodes?

    Also, are the rest of the episode closes intact? The statler/Waldorf comments, etc? (http://www.muppetcentral.com/guides/episodes/tms/season1/index.shtml#opening)

    Thanks :).

    edit:
    Also, while I'm here.... I heard that the U.S. and U.K. final credits scrolled along different parts of the screen. Aside from this, are there any differences (footage-wise) between episode endings? And which version is on the set?
  13. anathema

    anathema Active Member

    Only one show in the season had a 'non-standard' ending - Kaye Ballard - and the original shot isn't included on the DVD.

    Yes.

    There are no significant differences between the two. Occasionally a different take would be used (for example, Statler and Waldorf's closing comments on the UK edit of the Lena Horne show are a different take to the one used on the US edit - same dialogue, different recording) but the basic content remains the same.

    The DVD set is a mixture of both UK and US shows.

    In general, the UK edits run slightly longer than their US counterparts (UK skit notwithstanding) and often feature an extra comment/joke from S+W after the closing act. The only other major change is in the Vincent Price show, where Uncle Deadly warns that the Master turns into Guy Lombaro on New Year's Eve. In the UK version, he turns into Jack Parnell. The UK version is the one included on the DVD.
  14. Sean Gaffney

    Sean Gaffney New Member

    That being said, the new shot of the band sitting the ending out and Kermit waving works well for me in terms of the show's plot - it's not the original, but works well.

    I do miss Guy Lombardo, as with Jack Parnell, the ending makes little to no sense.
  15. Squigiman

    Squigiman Active Member

    I, myself, though not complaining about it, per se, am wondering what the deal is with the closing Zoot shot. For me, the original first season openings are a huge treat, and I am justifying so much on them being what's availavble nowhere else, to counter-balance cut footage. However, I am not sure what the issue with the Zoot ending is, especially as it seems this is not the only time it's been replaced. If just the text tag of the Holding Company were added, no biggie, but what exactly was meant to be there, when these shows were originally aired? Otherwise, my main beef is still more with the pitch and for the episodes I can't recall seeing, it's like I'm seeing them for the first time, anyways, so there. Still think ALL DVDs need to drop coming attractions, as they and commercials are big enough pains to sit through, these days, at the theaters. Who wants to big those home? I've seen Chicken Little, Valiant, Ice Princess, The Pacifier, Tarzan II, Pooh's Heffalump Movie, and so much more at work, that if I were to purchase a Disney-owned DVD title, I don't want to know they're encoded onto my Muppets, as well.


    -Squigiman
  16. Gorgon Heap

    Gorgon Heap Active Member

    Has anyone actually CONFIRMED that it's music rights issues that caused the cuts? Where can we send an email to ask questions to those in charge of the set's production?

    David "Gorgon Heap" Ebersole
  17. anathema

    anathema Active Member

    Originally it was a totally different shot of Zoot - see the boxset review on this site for a screencap. One shot was used for Seasons 1/2, and another for 3-5.

    The main issue is that there are a number of shows which *didn't* use the 'standard' shot of Zoot, and often the shot used was part of a running gag - for example, the Roger Miller show, where the entire cast including Zoot are turned into chickens, or the Mac Davis show where the theater is overrun with Beaker clones, who take over the instruments and play the closing theme. While obviously it's far too early to say what Disney will do when they reach these shows, it's true to say that all the original shots were edited out in the mid-80s and replaced with the generic Zoot shot that Disney have used on the Season 1 DVDs, so it's highly probable that this will be the case if/when they release the shows.
  18. sugarbritchez

    sugarbritchez Active Member

    My thoughts on this matter is SO WHAT.......

    So what if they cut out a little bit.........there are much more things in this world to make a fuss over than 5 little songs/skits/or whatever is missing.

    So what if Disney IS to blame.........what if they aren't.......it isn't that big of a deal. At least they released them in the first place.

    I don't see what the big fuss is over. We love Muppets......and FINALLY someone (Disney) is giving them to us all over again. Nothing in this world is perfect.....NOTHING!

    So I have pre-ordered mine and I will be excited when it comes in. I will pop me a big bowl of popcorn and pop my NON-COMPLETED DVD set in my DVD player and enjoy every non-complete minute of it!

    I am just tickled pink that they released the darn things in the first place. So instead of fussing over a few things missing........go hug your parents/kids/relatives and make a fuss over them instead!

    **stepping off soapbox now**
  19. Erine81981

    Erine81981 Active Member

    And that folks is Mrs. Sugarbritchez. I would have to agree with her. The only thing I'm doing just becase this is me. I'll still buy the set and be happy I'm getting someone to record me those episodes that have the cuts on the DVD to have the whole episode. Mostly because I've never seen any of these epsiodes in there aired time or reruns eaither. So please be happy and buy it when it comes out or order it!
  20. sugarbritchez

    sugarbritchez Active Member

    Thanks for agreeing with me!


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