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Your Thoughts: TMS Season 1 DVD

Discussion in 'Muppet Merchandise' started by Phillip, Aug 6, 2005.

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Because there are scenes edited from The Muppet Show DVDs:

I am no longer buying the set 6 vote(s) 5.3%
I haven't decided yet 8 vote(s) 7.0%
I'm still buying the set 100 vote(s) 87.7%

  1. minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I wonder if the Muppet Morsels were written before or after Disney went after the owners of the various songs, including cut songs. The Muppet Morsels never mentioned any songs that were cut from the DVD (then again, it might be weird for them to be mentioned, and Disney might not have wanted casual fans who didn't know about the missing scenes to be annoyed by reading about what couldn't be shown). If morsels were written before music rights were given permission for, then it would be interesting to see what the morsels would have said about various scenes. I'm sure that All of Me and You've Got a Friend would have had quite a few fun facts given.

    I've been thinking about how the Vincent Price episode was uncut on the time life release but not in this set. I wonder if Time-Life made certain deals with the owners of certain songs that either limited the time for song permission on the episodes, making them expire, or if Time-Life made a deal that the songs could only be incldued on the Time-Life releases (and Columbia versions, though the volume with the Vincent Price episode was skipped), therefore causing Disney to have to get the rights to each song a secodn time.

    When the compilations were made, I think that all music rights were only bought for the use of those compilations, and not for any video releases of full episodes, therefore making Henson (and Disney) have to pay for the rights again. With the compilations, if any music rights owners said no to certain songs being released, at least they weren't full episodes and nothing would be forced to be included.

    I have noticed that none of the first season songs that have been released on various albums were cut.
  2. GelflingWaldo New Member

    They were written before, during, and after all the legal work was finished to clear everything. I am pretty sure that that morsels were written for most (if not all) of the cut scenes, but were dropped along the way as the skits were cut and they are not included on the disc to logical reasons. No mention to the cut scenes were made in the morsels because the producers did want to draw attention to the unfortunate cut scenes, and most of the morsels were already written and in place before the final call on the cuts were made (the specific comments on the cut material was simply cut along with the musical numbers/skits in would have appeared in).
  3. minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I think you meant to say that the producers did not want to draw attention to the cut scenes.
  4. Fozzie Bear Moderator

    I think that's what he meant. Otherwise, he wouldn't have written it as "the producers did want" and would likely have written "the producers wanted to."
  5. Daffyfan2003 Active Member

    I've thought about that too. One of my theories is that since Timelife didn't release all the shows, they picked certian episodes where they didn't have to cut anything out. They do tend to own the rights to a lot of songs that are performed on TMS. Heck, when I was getting the TimeLife set of Muppet Shows they also sent me a whole set of country music CDs. Anyway, I guess Disney doesn't have the rights to quite as many songs as Time Life did. However, I think if Timelife had released all the shows, they might have made a few edits as well.

    And of course the Disney DVD made other edits as well, specifically the first two Newsman bits. Also some eps are missing backstage material. Which is understandable since a lot of them mention the next number performed on the show. If that number is cut out, it wouldn't make much sense to mention it.

    Still despite the edits I still enjoy watching the DVD and I look forward to when the next one comes out.
  6. minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    As far as I know, the only completely edited backstage scene was the scene before the danceros act from the Jim Nabors episode, and ironically, that's the only cut scene from the first season that was included in The Muppet Show Book (though in the book the dialogue is changed to Scooter getting Kermit to let Mahna Mahna and the Snowths on-stage instead of Danceros).

    Now that I think about it, since both news bits from the Joel Grey episode were cut because they weren't on the original masters, I wonder if any morsels were written for them. I'm sure that if Disney knew they were added after the masters were made they would have tried to include them (I wonder if jerry Juhl or Dave Goelz or any of the other morsels writers knew or remembered that those bits were included). Of course, I can't really think of anything about those skits that are worth writing morsels about except for the fact that they were added to the show later. The morsels would have probably given out some random fact about either The Newsman or Muppet News that could have been used anywhere.
  7. Daffyfan2003 Active Member

    Actually, I wasn't aware the Newsman bits were added later in the Joel Grey episode. I know the one in the Connie Stevens ep must have been since the News Man had his glasses and later voice and they didn't edit out that one. That's strange that they would keep that bit and edit out the other one.
  8. minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I guess for the first two epsiodes the DVD producers used the original masters for the broadcast versions, and not the original, unaired versiosn, which were different. It's too bad that those weren't included as bonus features, or if not complete shows, maybe they coudl have been on there as deleted/ altered scenes.

    As for the cut news skits, I think that episode was produced and made to air when for soem reason they chose to make two news skits and put them in the episode before it aired. If you're wondering, The Newsman didn't wear glasses in either of those skits.
  9. robinthefrog New Member

    Bought Season One on dvd and I must say, I loved it!
    I was too young and missed the original runs of The Muppet Show on t.v. but I did catch the reruns and remember the show well. I love Mahna Mahna, great beginner on the first episode.
  10. Fozzie Bear Moderator

    I'm ready for Season TWO!
  11. Kimp the Shrimp Active Member

  12. Fozzie Bear Moderator

    You've earned your rubber chicken award for the day with that one, Kimp! :)
  13. I HAVE JUST PURCHASED MUPPET SHOW SEASON ONE. I LOVE IT BUT I HAD NO IDEA SOME EPISODES ARE CUT. LOVE THE DVD HOPEFULLY THEY WON'T CUT ANY OUT OF SEASON TWO.

    IF YOU ARE WONDERING WHY IT HAS TAKEN ME SO LONG TO PUCHASE IN AUSTRALIA WE DIDN'T HAVE IT RELEASED AT THE SAME TIME AS THE US.
    EVERY TIME I WENT TO BUY IT THE SHOPS HAD NONE LEFT BUT I WAS LUCKY YESTERDAY AND FINALLY GOT A COPY.
  14. travellingpat Active Member

    Was there any easter eggs on this set, i remember somewhere htey said something about that there was...


    Travelling Pat
  15. minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    If there are, then none of us have found them yet. The Time-Life releases had easter eggs, but the first season set isn't known to.
  16. Sgt Floyd Well-Known Member

    Me too. I used to watch reruns a LOOONNNG time ago with my dad. I've always loved the muppets but I think it was when we got the muppet show dvd was when I relized how much of a fan I really was. And it was when we got the dvd I relized floyd was my favorite muppet:sing: .

    And I STILL havnt admited it to my dad, lol
  17. Dil Guest

    Isn't there ANY countries that has the release of the unedited version of The TMS Season 1 DVD?
  18. Sgt Floyd Well-Known Member

    I doubt it
  19. Bill Bubble Guy Active Member

    Are all the edits exactly the same in every country? That's a surprise to me because I would have thought the music rights might have varied from country to country. In other words some countries might have had the rights available to some songs we didn't but they may have had to have some of the other songs edited instead. And if a country was extremely lucky they could have had it completely un edited. It amazes me that all music availability rights could be actually identical all over the world. But then there you have it since apparently they are.
  20. Dil Guest

    I think so. All foreign Special Edition DVD's for Season One are edited. The company who made those is Buena Vista, from U.S.A.

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