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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by beaker, Feb 9, 2016.
Has anyone noticed there's no short film playing in front of Zootopia? I wonder why it hasn't been announced yet.
From WDAS, we've had these playing before the main films:
The Ballad of Nessie (before Winnie the Pooh)
Paperman (before Wreck-It Ralph)
Get a Horse! (before Frozen)
Feast (before Big Hero 6)
One thing I can say about this movie is it definitely looks unique. Disney's animated films have been really creative the last four years or so but I really hope I enjoy this movie more than Big Hero 6. I mean,BH6 was a nice movie,the animation was amazing and lot's of other people love the movie. I don't dislike the movie,I just found it underwhelming. The characters were okay,the story was alright,the character designs were pretty meh,but their costumes were nice. Just everything about it was underwhelming.
I was super excited for Big Hero 6, but didn't get to see it in theaters. I streamed it a couple months ago and was bored the whole time. I didn't even finish watching it. The animation was beautiful, but the story was kind of predictable and dull.
I don't understand why so many movies get such great reviews, but then when I go and watch the film I'm incredibly underwhelmed. For instance Inside Out got amazing reviews, but it was the worst animated film I've seen (and I've seen Food Fight ... but Food Fight was so bad it's good). I was so bored, the jokes were not funny, Bing Bong was depressing, and I left the movie uncomfortable. The same thing happened with the Lego Movie. I was super hyped for that, and I thought the movie was terrible in the end.
Disney's worst CGI movie by far is Dinosaur. I snuck into that one and even I felt cheated out of my money, especially since I enjoyed the heck out of the movie I paid for, Viva Rock Vegas.
Yep. Viva Rock Vegas. And I was stocked about having just seen it. Dinosaur killed that buzz. It was just long, unappealing, and the only attempts at humor were pee jokes. And they had the most unlikable characters, especially the comedy relief that made Jar Jar Binks look appropriate and hilarious by comparison. And you could totally tell dialogue was added in last minute. Just a waste of animation all the way round. And while I usually like lower key films that use B and C list celebs as the voice actors so they speak for themselves instead of having to be towed about by big names. But the biggest celeb in Dinosaur was Della Reese. Really. UGH.
Now, as to why I loved Big Hero Six, well... I'm not going to be one of those film student snobs that whines about how there's too many super hero films, but even then I think the fact that Marvel's licenses being spread out to 3 companies and DC trying hard to do what Avengers did is making the glut bigger. Disney Marvel is world building, and that sort of thing is unprecedented. But anyway, I've enjoyed the Disney produced Marvel films so far, and I do like how most of their films have a surprise different genre. Some have surprising messages in them (Ant-Man condemns how impossible it is for former criminals to find work, which drives them back to a life of crime, for example) But the one thing that these movies are kind of missing is heart. The only live action Marvel comics movies I feel has that level of heart was Guardians of the Galaxy and Big Hero. And released the same year as well. I don't see why that sort of thing has to be completely alien from that genre of film, but they found a way to make two super hero films with more heart than all of them combined.
Same here! I mean, everything about Big Hero 6 should appeal to someone like me(Japanese pop culture, anime, mechs, Tokyo architecture, bright colors, monster shows) but I never felt invested in the characters or the story. It looked nice tho. Saw it in 3d and the final boss fight and the Baymax flying scenes looked great. But I didn't laugh once, and never felt at all connected.
Same thing with Wreck It Ralph. Loved the look of it, loved the inclusion of retro game cameos...but it felt lacking. And spent too much time I felt in Candy Rush land. Plus it didn't have enough cameos I felt; and didn't live up to the hype of being the "video game world version of Roger Rabbit".
But I LOVE Chicken Little and dug Bolt. Probably will never see Frozen or the Cars spinoff films. But every clip and trailer I'm seeing of Zootopia feels so fresh and new/modern. Which is a tall order as I'm sure a lot of us are very numb to computer generated animal movies. I have to say, in a way Disney animation now seems to be outdoing Pixar in the animation quality department and heart.
I mean I don't even know anyone whose been watching Pixar films in the last few years.
I think heart has to be there for me to love a Disney animated or any animated film. It's why I can watch Up and Ratatouie over and over, but have a hard time sitting through Dreamworks animated films(cept Monsters Vs Aliens, love that film!) Big Hero 6 had so many amazing visual elements and nods to Japanese geekdom, that I can forgive the lack of humor/heart I felt with it.
I am glad Fox is at least trying with the Marvel properties they own. Fans and Disney execs act like Disney is the only rightful owner of Marvel. And while Fantastic Four 2015 I read is beyond terrible, and the Wolverine movies were terrible, Im hearing Deadpool is exceeding expectations. Comic book movies were largely R rated before the Disney buyout.
As far as socio-political messages, noone is (Strangely) more brave than Disney. You look at Captain America Winter Soldier, and you'd think itd be some jingoistic pro war Michael Bay slog...instead it has a strong anti war message, and talks about the unfairness of a select few having so much negative political power behind the scenes. Now you're making me intrigued to see Ant Man!
I have a feeling a lot of people are going to feel a bit ruffled by Zootopia.
They're going to claim it's "just Disney pushing an agenda", but I'm digging it. From the reviews Ive read and clips Ive seen, I get the feeling that it
not so subtly tackles racism, misogyny, commercialism(ironic from disney, i know), stereotypes, etc. Heck it even has a big gay cheetah cop. PLUS
all the reviews say it dives deep into that 40's noir vibe of Chinatown, LA confidential, Roger Rabbit, etc. Now it's possible I could end up not liking it....but everytime I've had a spidey sense from movie trailers that Ill love a movie, I end up being blown away. Even if a film ultimately bombs at the box office.
Deadpool vs Fan4stic Four is a simple comparison. Deadpool was a passion project for everyone involved, especially Ryan Reynolds who absolutely hated what they did with the character in Wolverine Origins (also wasn't too thrilled with Green Lantern). Fourtastic Four was essentially Fox tossing together a franchise film reboot to keep their mark on a movie franchise no one liked in the first place. No one liked doing it, they gave it a dumb concept, and we're all like, why did we hate Rise of the Silver Surfer again?
I'll say one thing though. Somehow PG-13 super hero films manage to make kid's toys and movie tie ins for kids, but R ratings are drawing the line. Deadpool used to be on kid friendly merchandise, no kidding, until the film was in development for real.
Yeah, Iron Man 3, Captain America 2, and Ant-Man... they basically had messages we need to hear wrapped in well done action sequences. To give you an idea, Iron Man 3 was released weeks after the Boston Marathon attack. Considering the very subversive message in that one, it was refreshing. All I'll say about that.
Those kinds of critics like to pull out things from movies so they can complain about how Hollywood is brainwashing kids when it should be they who do the brainwashing. Even when it comes to movies that might even agree with their politics. Remember how bullcrappy Fox Business was about Secret of Arrietty? How it was somehow anti-capitalist, even though the main characters refused handouts which is more fitting for their agenda? They don't even need to watch the movies to make up some moral panic.
@Dr Tooth: All good points!
Man, more I read reviews, more I can't help but get goosebumps.
This review said it's one of the greatest films Disney has ever put
out since the start of the company.
This review says it's the rightful heir to Roger Rabbit, a daring film
that manages to be both a procedural noir thriller, social commentary and amazing fun animated experience
Zootopia was conceived by Byron Howard who is also the director, whom I should have known of, but he did so much of the concept art and is almost like a one man deviant art account constantly churning out fun little concept art on his twitter and art blog. He reminds me of Rocko's Modern Life creator Joe Murray in how he conceived, wrote and drew up this fun crazy world of anthro animals living together in conflict...whereas a lot of major film cartoons feel like a pure corporate stew with no real helmer or main artist
I feel like this movie is going to be good, but that doesn't mean I'll see it. The sloth trailer was funny in the theater, but it feels like one of many Animalted, or Animal-mated, well Animal CGI movies this year. It feels more in line with Bolt and Meet the Robinsons than Disneys recent CGI movies, Wreck-It Ralph and Big Hero 6, which were great. Honestly, the best CGI film this year might be Storks.
Just saw a late night 3d showing! If there is one film I recommend 3d, it's this.
I may write a long review running...but the five main things I took away was:
1) This is probably the darkest/most adult Disney animated kids film they've done, kind of a stark contrast to the happy bright filled trailer. Which is surprising but...
2) It's also the most intelligent and smart Disney film I can recall seeing
3) The chemistry, facial expressions, and little hidden nuanced personality quirks and mannerisms in this are beyond anything Ive seen with Disney or talking animal cg films. Judy Hoppy and Bellweather especially just have these amazing personalities.
Also the world created in the movie is amazing. I wish Zootopia 2 was already coming soon!
It's looking like one of the more exciting CGI films for sure - i'm not usually a big fan of them either. I did like Monsters Vs Aliens and Planet 51 was ok. I like the whole "world" feel of these CGI type projects.
I've seen it, it's fantastic, but more on that in a minute.
For those who felt that Frozen needed to be taken down a peg, Zootopia has outpaced it on opening weekend by over 6 million bucks setting a new record. No wonder why KFP3 was dumped in January. It would have been creamed.
The film itself? What can I say about it? It's certainly the most layered animated movie I've seen if not one of them. Racism, terrorism, racism from terrorism, sexism, drugs, government conspiracy, second chances... so darn much in one 90 minute film! This is the film the world deserves and needs to see these days. it's the most beautiful film I've seen in a long time inside and out. It's certainly a gorgeous looking movie. One of the best I've seen. I've seen a lot of movies that looked great that I liked fine (The Croods is very lush and colorful, I can recommend it on that alone for example), but this one has style, with and charm.
And seriously, I love that it didn't walk softly. Nick was almost thrown out of an elephant run ice cream parlor in the opening and told to go to the "Fox ice cream parlor" and shown a "right to refuse service" sign. And it's not even heavy handed. Just an amazing film that's smartly written. Heck, I even take the police chief's speak about "this isn't an animated musical" and telling Judy to "Let it go" as a little backhand to a certain dethroned movie.
As my favorite movie critic would say, "I give it five Wows!"
This film definitely has quite a number of references and allusions to other media:
Emmett Otterton, based on the titular character of Emmett Otter's Jug-Band Christmas,
Nick Wilde, whose appearance is remarkably similar to Disney's all-animal version of Robin Hood (1973),
48 Hours, where a cop and a criminal must work together to solve a crime within 48 hours,
Mr. Big, the Arctic shrew crime boss, is clearly a parody of Marlon Brando's Vito Corleone,
Judy Hopps, similar to 21 Jump Street's Judy Hoffs (Holly Robinson),
Finnic, Nick's shill, is a fennec fox,
Duke Weaselton, whose name originated as a mispronunciation of Frozen's Duke Weselton (both characters are coincidentally voiced by Alan Tudyk),
The bootleg DVD's are puns on other Disney animated films, including Wreck-It Ralph, Frozen, Big Hero 6, Tangled et al.
If anyone wants a replica of Judy's Carrot Shaped secret recorder pen, they actually have some at The Disney Store. Not an exact prop replica (it has a sticker with her face on it because it's kid's merchandise), but close enough.
I haven't seen it, but on Duke Weaselton I have to say "Coincidence?! I think NOT!"
I'm seeing this movie today. SO EXCITED!
OMG, I totally loved this movie! It was SO cute! My favorite characters were definitely Judy Hop and Nick Wilde. I kinda ship them, XD! My favorite parts were the sloths and the scene with all the fake movie titles. Pig Hero 6, LOL!
Also I liked how Grunkle Ford from Gravity Falls was the voice of the lion.
Well, the more I hear about this movie, the more left-wing the story and underlying topics and messages sound. While I like the Monsters Inc-esque world they created, it all seems like some political nonsense we should not push to kids. Especially when I heard something about a upper 10 percent having to do with this...
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