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Arthur - Where is the Show Going?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by D'Snowth, Oct 15, 2009.

  1. D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    See, this is why you should NOT sell the rights to your own stuff to anyone else. If Seth owned the rights himself, he could end it whenever he wants to.

    Dude, how many times have I said it? They're OUT OF IDEAS!
  2. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Then he can sit on his ideas when he's living with his parents, like everyone on the internet that's creative does.

    Actually, Fox pretty much bought the rights to it when it was Cartoon Network short. They were going to put that cartoon as shorts for MadTV.

    At least they don't have the disease or disorder of the week episode yet. Still... these episodes sound right for their"this might as well be a reboot" changes.
  3. D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Not necessarily, he can just be independent. How do you think Sid & Marty Krofft got to be so successful?
  4. Mo Frackle Well-Known Member

    You know what? Just end Arthur already. You're already making things worse by switching from hand drawn animation to flash. And as much as I'd like to rant on this new character, I really can't, as we haven't been able to see her yet. Anyways, please, just end it already! Take us out of our misery!
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  5. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    They're the exception, not the rule. The only time I've ever seen an independently produced idea become a TV cartoon series is if someone comes to the creator, and even then, said creators usually have a sliding scale of slim to quite a bit actually of say in the show. Fox (and they didn't even own the show) almost made Max of Sam and Max a girl to get a female demographic they thought they deserved. So Steve Purcell had to create The Geek to fill that requirement. And all the animated series exclusive characters in The Tick were owned by Saban and couldn't be integrated into the comics. Even ones Ben Edlund created himself. So no Sewer Urchin, no Die Fledermaus, no American Maid. Why do you think they had those pathetic expys of the last 2 in the live action series?

    The Kroffts probably wisely used whatever money they got from prior jobs to build a small production company. They probably got paid more than anyone that works in animation... they usually don't do too well.
  6. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I agree. They're clearly cheaping out getting another studio to do budget animation. Nothing says "we clearly don't care" like downgrading animation THAT much. I don't mean streamlining (like the Kids WB Batman TAS episodes), I'm not saying slightly cheaper overseas studio (heck, most animated programs do that all the time)... I'm saying going from full digital traditional to motion tween cheating flash means you clearly don't want to produce the show anymore.

    It's not making merchandise, the ratings must be sinking... my PBS station airs it once at 11:30, and it's the bloody production company. I don't even see the books in stores anymore. End it. You can go on forever with the reruns (they've done it with Clifford, and it hasn't had a new episode since John Ritter died). Downgrading the animation and swiping plots from other shows is insulting intelligence now. And the sad thing is, there were a couple very good, turn the show around, episodes this season. This is just going to feel like a new show entirely.
  7. D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    That's basically how they ended up on television: Hanna-Barbera commissioned them to build the characters and sets for the Banana Splits, and NBC was so impressed with how they put all this stuff together, they asked them to make their own show for them, hence H.R. Pufnstuf.
  8. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I'm looking at the episodes yet again (I really hope they're mostly fake fan creations), and the more I look at them, the more they should change the show's title to "Everyone BUT Arthur." There's 2 about Muffy and Francine. That's par... but out of 9 episodes (the first one's a 2 part one for some reason), 5 of them are about D.W. and/or her friends... and 4 of which are paired together in the same episode.

    Okay... I can take the fact they tried to force Jenna and her freaking human nose down everyone's throats as a main character, like we're supposed to care about her. George as a main character was no problem for me, since they did that early enough in the show. But MUST they turn it into the James show? The completely minor character that D.W. kissed in that one episode? He IS no character. He HAS no personality. Why do I have to care about him? And Mei Lin.... UGH.... hopefully her episode doesn't have her talk much. She's so freaking abrasive, she makes Scrappy-Doo look lovable.

    Mark my words... if this show continues another 2 years, we're going to have full episodes of Ladonna Compson's cousin's friend's little brother's friends.
  9. D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Yeah, the show hasn't focused on Arthur in a long time... heck, there's been episodes where he's not even IN the story AT ALL.

    But I know what you mean, I've been trying to find any actual official information on this supposedly 4th Chipmunks movie where they go into outer space, but all that's available is a Wiki for a obviously fanfic-esque 4th movie that claims Charlene the Chipette is going to be in it, as well as Miley Cyrus, Selena Gomez, and Demi Lovato voicing a trio of evil Chipette clones called the "Darkettes". You know how I can tell it's fake? The whole "Darkette" idea they stole from an RPG I was involved with a few years ago where we did indeed invent an evil trio of Chipettes known as "The Darkettes".
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  10. CaseytheMuppet Well-Known Member

    Jeez, why does everyone have to steal stuff from you Snowth?! :laugh:
  11. D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Probably because I have a lot more better ideas than most people out there, and they're jealous about it. :p
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  12. CaseytheMuppet Well-Known Member

    I'm sure you do! I love watching you're videos! Very clever. (Sorry, I'm muffining....)
  13. D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Lol, thanks, always appreciate hearing feedback. :cool:

    But to get back on topic, I'm betting the fact that "April 9th" is playing today is because of 9-11, which I believe the episode was in response to, much like SST's episode about Hooper's Store catching fire was.
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  14. Hubert Well-Known Member

    But that isn't anything new. That's happened for quite some time.

    I could never quite figure out what everyone's big deal is with Arthur not being the focus of every episode. There are so many other characters that have so much depth that can be focused on. I think that, whether anyone would admit it or not, if every single episode was focused on Arthur, that everyone would be moaning bout how he's featured too much...

    Or maybe the crew liked that idea so much that they decided to actually use it...:p
  15. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Heh. It was. But that's something I don't want to get into. Half the show's target demo is too young to even know what it's in response to anyway.

    Unfortunately, there is confirmation that these are real episodes. The synopsis all come directly from a PBS station's website. No margin of error there.

    I don't mind if the show's not about Arthur, but his friends... I just HATE when it's D.W.'s friends and D.W.'s friends of friends. Just make it the darn D.W. show already.
  16. D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    But if they do that, they may very well do that whole Africa spin-off that you've been predicting will happen ever since "In My Africa" aired. :p
  17. Hubert Well-Known Member

    They try to explore all worlds with this...things focusing primarily D.W.'s friends has gone all the way back to Marc Brown's book writing...
  18. Mo Frackle Well-Known Member

    How closely does Marc Brown work with the TV series anyway? Did he ever work closely with it?
  19. Hubert Well-Known Member

    Yes, since the very beginning, he always has worked closely with it, and still does. Though I do think that he does have more confidence in the crew in the more recent years, therefore not working with it quite as closely.
  20. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I have no problem with episodes being about Brain, Buster, Francine, Muffy, Binky, D.W. or The Tibbles. It's characters like James and Jenna getting full episodes that bug me. They have NO personality at all. James's schtick is that he's shy. Sorry, there's already a shy character. George. I guess when he became more outgoing, they had to Raven Symone James into the show. Luckily, after the bed wetting episode, they shoved Jenna back into the background where she belongs.

    Plus, there is NO need to pair up a D.W. and friends episode with another D.W. and friends episode. We have a variety of characters, why two segments about the same second and tertiary characters on the same episode? That's like an Animaniacs episode where there's 3 Buttons and Mindy cartoons.

    Ehhhhh... no. Not really. There were one off D.W. books, sure. Arthur was there, but the story was about her. They were sort of the easy reader versions of the Arthur books (at least the 3 I read were). The Tibbles were also from the books (and HUMAN :eek: ) but they were never D.W.'s friends. Heck, we never even got to see D.W. hang out with anyone in the books. For that matter, the only regular series Arthur book where another character was the focus was "Arthur and the True Francine," all about Francine meeting Muffy, even though Arthur's name was in the title. So while the cartoon is an expanded universe, it's completely detached from the actual book series that focused mainly on Arthur. But that's adaption displacement for you. People are actually starting to forget these were books at some point.

    And trust me. I've been reading the books since I was very young. I even lamented the fact it took until 1996 for the books to get a show.

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