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Bear on Patrol Fozzie

Discussion in 'Action Figures' started by Fozzie Bear, Feb 7, 2003.

  1. Luke

    Luke Well-Known Member


    Ken has mentioned a few times these last weeks that a Gonzo/Rizzo MTI Two Pack over the past few weeks is on the radar and has never mentioned them being single figures, i think you've maybe read things wrong. He hasn't said whether they'll be regular line or exclusives and i agree with you about there being not much chance of 2 packs in the regular line - i'm guessing retailer or website exclusive, perhaps show but i think the sculpting would cost to much to do that much of a limited run.
  2. Super Scooter

    Super Scooter Well-Known Member

    Awesome! I've been looking forward to this guy. Just hope he's a big retail exclusive like Koozebane Kermit is gonna be.
  3. uncleduke

    uncleduke Well-Known Member

    If they do a MTI Rizzo as an individual figure, I would like to see them make some (limited articulation) tourist rats as pack-ins.
    They would be usefull in ever-so-many ways......
  4. Zack the Dog

    Zack the Dog Well-Known Member

    yup, that's where i got the idea from, ken, wouldn't a vacation rat with both gonzo and then one coming rizzo cost more? It would be best they came together. sure it's costly but once in a once in a while two pack would be okay, not in every wave or so.

    Zack) Rowlf the, countless occasions? come on, twice...Dog.
  5. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Thanks, Luke. Didn't hear that. I haven't kept up with the Palisades Board much. It would be cool to see them together. I'd imagine that the price of a 2 pack would be more. Was that discussed?
  6. Zack the Dog

    Zack the Dog Well-Known Member

    Oh, what happend to that theory Jamie? huh?huh? no i'm just kinding, i do understand what you said about Sal in the other thread now. i'm just messing with you.;)

  7. Luke

    Luke Well-Known Member

    No the price hasn't been discussed, Ken just mentioned briefly once here and once i think on the Palisades board that it was on his radar for 2004. Agree totally with what you're saying though - don't see Rizzo as a 'pack in', i see it more as two regular figures packed double and being sold at a premium somewhere like Toyfare.

    Don't know whereabouts on Palisades it was mentioned cos the forums down again, but the link on MC is :- http://forum.muppetcentral.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5&perpage=15&pagenumber=343
  8. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Yeah, Rizzo is kind of big for a pack-in, but if Ken says it's possible that's cool. If that's on the radar, I wish other figure pack-ins (like frackles and penguins) would be. But I just can't imagine the price of something like that.
  9. Gonzo

    Gonzo Well-Known Member

    I just can't see where a relatively simple, limited articulation sculpt (like a penguin or chicken) would cost more than say, Rowlf's piano, or Strangepork's MAMMA...or some of the other wonderful accessories we've seen with the regular figures; I'd love to see an occassional penguin, rat, chicken, frackle, Foo-Foo...

    So much of what was happening with the Muppet Show (and other shows and movies) was little background things...it'd be great to see them worked in somehow. I'd buy them.

    But of course I would.

  10. ResidentLilly

    ResidentLilly Well-Known Member

    Here's why it's more expensive. Time and development costs in the sculpting stage, production complexity and weight.

    See, a piano I can draw on paper fully technically and then have it re-created in China at no cost, except my own time, to creat a tool. A pack-in has to be sculpted. That means several thousand dollars just for the pack-in sculpting, several hundred for the prototyping, and several hundred for the painting...and because it is a likeness issue it has to go through all the rounds of approval that a figure does, and that costs time. Many weeks.

    In production, a figural accessory usually has to have heavier PVC instead of ABS, be jointed, have multiple layers of different details and usually be a lot more complex in the tooling requirements. Almost any figural pack-in often weighs a lot more than even the piano. They also need more paint, which results in higher labor and a greater amount of spray masks, which also cost a lot.

    And that is why the reality is that Camilla, at her smaller size, is a more expensive acessory to produce than the piano. I know this because I have these things costed out for production.

    Overall, that one pack-in, amortized across the entire line-up, can take an entire line over budget, because it adds so much to each unit cost because of all the up front costs.
  11. WiGgY

    WiGgY Well-Known Member

    Da-amn. Ok, we don't need pack-ins then :D . How do you do playsets? Do you do the same thing with the sketching and stuff or are they all sculpted and stuff? I'm wondering if it is a possibility to do the sketching/china recreating thing with a stage playset. I'm probably in way over my head though.
  12. Gonzo

    Gonzo Well-Known Member

    So THAT'S why. That makes sense. Never understood that before. Thanks for the insight...now we know.

    And knowing is half the....uh...something something. Articulation-Likeness Battle?

  13. ResidentLilly

    ResidentLilly Well-Known Member

    Yes. And no. Well, let me explain.

    The past four playsets have had figures, so they have all required the full sculpting fees of a figure. The Labs was done by hand, but the EM stage was drawn 100% by me and sculpted overseas. The Kitchen shell, doors, appliances and such and some of the kitchen accessory pieces were drawn by me, some of the organic stuff was hand sculpted. The Swine Trek was all hand sculpted but could have been drawn if I had had the time.

    All you gotta do to make it happen, is basically draw every part separately in a technical drawing of all the stage elements, do some 3-D sketches and show how it all fits together and any stage props could be drawn and then maybe replicated or hand sculpted and then sent overseas for replication.
  14. WiGgY

    WiGgY Well-Known Member

    So would it be possible to sketch out the stage set and send it over to be sculpted and thus reduce the cost of the set? Then, let's say, you put in a series 1 kermit as the figure it comes with? That would eliminate all that sculpting stuffand approval stuff you talked about.

    I know this probably belongs in the ask Ken section but I'm too lazy to go there. :D
  15. ResidentLilly

    ResidentLilly Well-Known Member

    It's a little more complicated than that, but the short answer is yes certainly any pre-production done on paper first can reduce, if even a small amount, the probable cost of the playset.
  16. WiGgY

    WiGgY Well-Known Member

    YAY! I'm learning the business! :D
  17. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member

    I think it's a way cool figure, too, gang.

    One thing for sure, I certainly enjoy Ken's presence at MC because I LOVE hearing about all the behind-the-scenes stuff of toy making.

    Ken, I'm posting a question at your "Ask Ken" thread for you when you can get there to check it.


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