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Bible Study

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by dwayne1115, Jun 5, 2018.

  1. Blue Frackle

    Blue Frackle Well-Known Member

    First of all, you should really take Old Thunder's advice and use paragraphs; I literally didn't read half your post because of this, which is a shame, because I imagine it was thought-provoking.

    I can relate to your dad; there are times when I am super-religious, there are times I step away from it: I always think "What are Christians allowed to do for fun?"

    Old Thunder explained to me Highway to **** isn't literally a song about celebrating going to ****, but my concerns over that were similar to what you're saying; what if I like a song that's blasphemous? This is one of my favorite songs, where the singer is essentially saying "You can't prove God exists; you're not praying to God, you're praying to yourself"... how can I justify loving this song and being Catholic, doubting the Lord?

    Life is too open to be pigeon-held by religion; that's where I'm at right now. No one is wrong for what they believe.
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  2. Flaky Pudding

    Flaky Pudding Well-Known Member

    One of my all time favorite Family Guy episodes is Not all Dogs Go To Heaven which ends with Brian telling Meg that God doesn't exist because she's ugly. I just think the episode has a lot of funny gags in it and besides, it has an appearance by Will Wheaton in it. What's not to like!?

    So yeah, you have a point about not worrying so much about things like that. Life's too short to spend all your time worry about that kind of thing.

    Also, I'm working on my posting style as Old Thunder had said right now. I'm definitely planning on taking his advice into consideration from here on out. Thank you very much for the constructive criticism, Old Thunder ;).
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  3. Old Thunder

    Old Thunder Well-Known Member

    The important thing is this: what do you believe? If your faith is strong, then no matter what you hear, there is nothing that can change it. Thus, anything that's against the concept of God or Christianity isn't going against your faith. It's just that that artist (etc) is stepping out and putting forth what their beliefs are. You don't have to agree with them, though you should respect them.

    The argument that listening to things that don't hold Christianity in a good light is somehow detrimental to your faith is a stinking pile of bull created and perpetuated by people who are so shallow in their faith that they think they're afraid they'll lose it with the snap of a finger and thus have some sort of demented need to try to control what they hear, what their kids hear, and what people say.

    People deserve to have the right to say whatever they want and believe whatever they believe, and listening to something that goes against something you believe shouldn't be seen as detrimental or hampering your faith or going against the lifestyle God wants you to have - it should be seen as a challenge. What do you think of what they're saying? Do they apply in your life? Do you agree or disagree? Then you reshape your beliefs or you reshape what you think of the song.

    It's okay to like things that aren't 'Godly'. It's okay to like things that are anti-religion. The heart of the matter is simply this - what do you personally believe? That's the important thing. Not what anyone says, not what anyone does, not what anyone wants for you. The important thing is being satisfied with your own skin. Apart from that, nothing else matters.

    Sure, if you think something isn't going to help your life, you can choose not to listen to it. But instead of casting aside everything that goes against a certain belief, instead, try to examine that and examine what you believe in. You may be surprised at what you find. And throwing away anything that seems to be unGodly will certainly block you from finding some things which are really great pieces of art.
  4. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Now tell all of this to the religious leaders out there who were boycotting Disney over the live action BEAUTY AND THE BEAST because they made LaFou openly gay and having a man crush on Gaston . . . even though many fans already theorized that about the animated version.
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  5. Old Thunder

    Old Thunder Well-Known Member

    I made some very public statements while the whole thing was going down. Some people are just so stupid.
  6. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    You'll appreciate this:

    I challenged a pastor on this a while back. As a conservative military veteran, M*A*S*H was a show he really enjoyed (except for the very liberal Alan Alda), and he was urging his congregation to join in on the boycott of Disney because of that whole BATB fiasco, so I asked him if by his logic, should we boycott M*A*S*H because of Frank Burns, a married man, committing adultery by having an affair with Margaret? He said no, because it wasn't apparent.

    Uh . . . I think Hawkeye said it best one time when he said that the only one who doesn't know about their affair was MacArthur's pipe stuffer.
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  7. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    Classic double standards.
  8. Flaky Pudding

    Flaky Pudding Well-Known Member

    I even heard some Christians say that My Little Pony of all things is Satanic because the characters use magic. Talk about an eye roller, am I right? Cute cartoon ponies that use magic and teach kids the values of friendship is about the least Satanic thing I can think of! Maybe all they know about MLP is from the infamous gory Cupcakes fan animation on YouTube :p.
  9. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    Well there is a verse in 2 Thessalonians 5: 22 that says "
    Abstain from all appearance of evil."

    Some Christians take this verse quit literally. They also use this verse as well 2 Corinthians 6: 17

    Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you

    I was in a church that taught we should not watch any tv or listen to any music other the gospel, bluegrass and classical.
  10. Old Thunder

    Old Thunder Well-Known Member

    That’s just stupid. That verse anyway can mean two different things - either abstain from something that looks like it could be evil, or abstain from it when evil makes an appearance. Closely related but not quite the same.

    I think it means something more like if you can see there’s a literal demon right in front of you, go home. Don’t practice witchcraft or anything like that because you may just open a portal. Etc. Don’t join in if evil appears.
  11. Blue Frackle

    Blue Frackle Well-Known Member

    My honest to God opinion is life is just too long that it's so boring to be 100% vested in a religion.

    Speaking of that Todd Rundgren song, he has another song I absolutely love called "Everybody's Going to Heaven", and I absolutely love this lyric:

    But if I ever get to heaven
    If I ever reach that door
    I will listen why I had to go through this life
    Why they just couldn't take me before

    This is exactly what I'm saying.

    @Old Thunder, I agree with everything you said, but to me, religion is not about reshaping your beliefs to fit what you want, but adhering to the rules set in place; I don't make them, I just abide to them.

    My thought is, why not just go along and play the safe road instead of risking an eternity of torture? Like you have nothing to lose if you're religious, but everything if you aren't, and here's another thing I struggle with that kind of goes beyond this thread: sometimes I think nothing is real... like how is one religious? If I say I'm Buddhist does that automatically just make me Buddhist? That's kind of a big can of worms to open in this thread.

    To me (I know I said this before), too much in life just makes too much sense (universe, karma, etc.) for there to have just been a "Big Bang"; by the same token, I don't just want to be a slave to a creator and do their bidding. I will if I have to, but I'd almost just rather not exist at that point, but if I don't have a choice, then I don't have a choice.

    That took a dark turn, but this is quickly becoming my favorite thread at MC.

    This is one that comes to mind for me as well; like what can you even do to have fun in life anymore? I mean, if we're all here for 80+ years or however long then that's just too long to be "tested"; I'm a good person - why do I have to prove that for so long?

    At a certain point, all we know is all we can see. I guess you can play around with different beliefs and stuff, but at the end of the day if you've been a good person in life you should be rewarded; God knows that even with stuff beyond that (bills, ****** jobs, etc.), we all suffer.

    Last thing is praying: why do Catholics have to say 'Our Father' and 'Hail Mary' thousands of times in their lives? Is God some giant generator that is replenished by prayers?
    Last edited: Sep 9, 2018
  12. Old Thunder

    Old Thunder Well-Known Member

    To be honest, that wasn't quite the point I was making, sorry if it appeared that way. I was more of the line of re-examine things to see how they fit, and not re-purpose your beliefs to make it fit.

    I struggled with that a lot (even sometimes now), but here's the thing: Christians tell you that if you're saved you automatically have 'fire insurance'... but you shouldn't be saved just to get that 'fire insurance'. You need to love God as well. I dunno, I think I'm screwed either way.

    This is me 24/7. I have a very very very bad grip on reality, half the time I think I'm walking through a trance, and yet that's part of the reason I'm so petrified of dying. God or not, I don't want everything to end for me, not yet at least.

    Well, the Catholics are also the people who have been raping children for years and then protecting their priests and condemning the victims, so I wouldn't put much stock in their crap.
  13. Old Thunder

    Old Thunder Well-Known Member

    Oh yeah -
    I actually kinda agree. I wasn't thrilled with this thread's concept when it began but our re-purposing this thread to be about religion as a whole, combined with our in-depth discussions, has proved to be far more interesting than I thought it would be.
  14. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    They said the same thing about HARRY POTTER back in the day.


    When I was a kid, I lived next door to a family of religious fanatics, and everything other than Disney movies and VEGGIETALES was off limits. COW AND CHICKEN was considered an evil show because one of the main characters was practically the devil. Disney's version of THE HUNCHBACK OF NOTRE DAME left them shaken because of all the religious taboo in that movie.
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  15. Old Thunder

    Old Thunder Well-Known Member

    Speaking of which, that film is a masterpiece.
  16. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Dude, I couldn't agree more. It was the first movie I ever saw multiple times in a theater: half a dozen times. I couldn't wait for it to come out on video, and when it did, I rewatched it over and over and over again.
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  17. LittleJerry92

    LittleJerry92 Well-Known Member

    Ironically for me, as a kid, I couldn't get past the scene of Quasimodo being tied down and pelted with produce. That was too dark for me.

    Honestly I think that entire movie probably would have terrified me if I saw the whole thing as a kid. Wasn't until I was 15 that I watched the entire thing and it became my #1 Disney film.
  18. Old Thunder

    Old Thunder Well-Known Member

    A lot of the story's intricacies went completely over my head as a youngster, but I loved how much darker it was from most. Now when I watch it I get all of it. It's the perfect balance between dark and deep, and funny and happy.
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  19. LittleJerry92

    LittleJerry92 Well-Known Member

    Random subject before going back on topic - Frollo is on my to dress up as list.
  20. snichols1973

    snichols1973 Well-Known Member

    This second song encourages us to take a look at life from a funny perspective, even in the midst of death:


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