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Discussion in 'Muppet Babies' started by JJandJanice, Mar 22, 2006.

  1. Yorick

    Yorick Well-Known Member

    Thank you GonzoLeaper!:D (Too bad I overlooked a punctuation error in my previous post in this thread, :obut since we're all chatting here, not doing English homework, I'll let myself slide on this one. And of course I've never criticized anyone else for spelling or anything like that - I'm just tough on myself with that stuff sometimes.:zany:)
  2. Mo Frackle

    Mo Frackle Well-Known Member

    Time to shamefully bump this thread. Has anyone rewatched this special recently? Also, I'm curious if anyone actually watched it when it first premiered.

    The first time I saw this special was way back in the second grade (around the time my Muppet fandom was just beginning). Our guidance counselor had a copy of the briefly-released VHS release.
  3. Hubert

    Hubert Well-Known Member

    Wow, it's been years since I watched this...I wish I had a copy of it, but unfortunately I don't. I only watched someone else's copy a few times.
  4. mimitchi33

    mimitchi33 Well-Known Member

    I've seen this on YouTube. It was nice seeing all the cartoon characters together. Plus Corey, the little girl in the special, was cute.
    Also, I remember that once on Wikipedia, somebody put up that there was a "Cartoon AllStars 2", with characters like Orson Pig from U.S. Acres, Optimus Prime from Transformers and Morning Glory from My Little Pony. That was a lie, but I still believed it, as I was 9 at the time I saw that rumor.
  5. GonzoWaltsfan

    GonzoWaltsfan Active Member

    HAHA I remember this, it was weird yet really cool. I enjoyed seeing all the characters together like that, it was kind of like Rodger Rabit. Man I'd kill for another Rodger Rabit like film, with a bunch of different characters appearing in it and helping save some one. Course with how films are done these days it wouldn't be able to get away with things like the last film was able to, that film was special, bit off topic that was sorry about that. Wonder why the Muppet characters weren't included in this? It would have sure been fun, or were both not around at the same time? I can't remember what times both films came out.
  6. Peace

    Peace Active Member

    It astounds me that people here regard the special fondly. It was the most hackneyed piece of tripe to ever have a Mup- wait a second, no, that's The Lady Gaga Special.

    Even still, this was pretty stupid. It's just exaggerated propaganda. They treat marijuana as if it's comparable to heroin and speed. Despite the fact that, without doubt, all the TV/movie executives in the 80s were Coke-fiends.

    And it kind of gives off the wrong message anyway. Hey kids, wanna see your favourite cartoon characters? TRY SOME OF THIS!

    If I could smoke something that conjured up Alf from thin air, you bet your Bork-Borks I'd be smoking it.

    If the special had been about actual hard drugs, I wouldn't be so harsh on it, but as it stands, it's a propaganda piece, with a foreword by a Skull & Bones member. Maybe Bush Sr. should have stayed away from the cartoons and made sure that little George W. Bush wasn't touching coke instead. (And, as we all know, he was.)

    ...but uh... HEY, LOOK, TIGGER!
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  7. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    The worst thing is, as good as the intentions were, they basically shoveled on a whole pile of drug myths, and founded the special on the same Anviliciousness that causes kids to grow up to be (quoting Abet's line in the G.I. Joe community) "cynical babies." I wish I could find that clip, but NBC appears to have deleted it.

    Oh wait, found it

    Pot essentially makes you goofy. You do NOT hallucinate, that's much harder stuff that the special didn't address. South Park's message was better. "There's a time and place for everything. It's called College."

    It sucks that, for the longest time, this was the only way to get a glimpse of the awesome ALF cartoon. At least they're all on hulu plus now. :rolleyes: Freakin' plus...

    UGH! Know what I hate? When some idiot posts their dumb fan fic ideas to Wikipedia like it's news and is too lazy to actually write the whole thing and post it on DA or something.
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  8. Yorick

    Yorick Well-Known Member

    As my posts from 2011 state, at least people tried to use television to possibly save lives back then. Nobody in "TV & movie land" cares anymore. It's more important for them to be "hip" than to spread a positive message. Think of the messages "Dinosaurs" had. Now try to think of a show with anything to say these days - never mind the fact that it's highly unlikely the writing will be anywhere near the same level as "Dinosaurs". Please correct me if I am wrong; even if I dislike the style of a new show, I'll give it credit for a positive message.
  9. beatnikchick300

    beatnikchick300 Well-Known Member

    Sorry for the three-year-late reply, but at least Captain Planet was "preachy" about actual problems (you know, don't mess up the only livable planet we have), whereas most people actually know that pot isn't going to kill you, and the whole "gateway drug" thing is a farce.
  10. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I'd agree if the anti-drug thing wasn't some soft government conspiracy where they paid TV execs to purposely follow the message, making it inorganic. Though I will say when Stan Lee stood up to the comics code to bring an anti-drug message to Spidey comics, that was pretty awesome. That said, you know when Dinosaurs did the drugs episode, they did it sarcastically, right? :hungry:

    The worst thing is, that you actually can't have anti-drug messages (at least in kid's shows) because that would require you to have to show drugs or an allegory for them. Even deglorifying them for a point gets your episode banned (see Buzz Lightyear of Star command).

    But for a REAL, no nonsense anti-drug cartoon... the heck with Cartoon All Stars to the Rescue. Bravestarr did the best anti-drug episode of anything ever. They didn't fool around, used (fictitious) hard drugs, had a kid slowly go insane, steal money from his mother, and die at the end. Yep. They killed someone in a 1980's cartoon and a kid at that to make the point. That took guts. It wasn't preachy, it was downright horrifying!

    And...for the record, the Brain Blast episode of Galaxy High is also pretty cool.

    Depending on the season. Captain Planet, once it changed hands from DIC to Turner. Then the messages got... weird. It's one thing about questioning consumerism, telling kids to recycle, and AIDS... but then they went all population control, IRA, and Hitler with a porn 'stache insane.....A for effort on DIC's part when the show was actually kinda good. But Turner made the show just... so... I'd say worse than what Family Guy did to Christianity in "Not All Dogs Go to Heaven." I give the show credit for trying, but when you get that preachy, you corrupt the message and make it sound insane. Like the South Park episode where the kids had to sit through an annoying anti-smoking assembly, and they started chain smoking behind the dumpster.

    I personally refer to Captain Planet as singlehandedly launching millions of young Republicans.
  11. beatnikchick300

    beatnikchick300 Well-Known Member

    Give people a little more credit. They're not going to sway a certain way politically because of a stinking cartoon. People are (disgustingly) easily swayed, but not that much.

    And just FYI, population control is a serious environmental concern (just look at the latest climate report from NASA).
  12. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I can agree to that. But it was handled in such a way that it was a bizarre rant, rather than a serious discussion of the issue. And for kids!

    And for the record, there are people who can take the message without becoming cynical and snarky about it. But keep the message direct, friendly, and devoid of drama. Preachy can turn into ranty quickly if the writers aren't careful.
  13. Yorick

    Yorick Well-Known Member

    That statement isn't entirely accurate, since there are points made in the episode that are not sarcasm. Believe me, I understand that gem of a show, Dinosaurs :halo: and when I mentioned Dinosaurs and their messages, I wasn't singling out "A New Leaf"; I was referring to the messages the show made in general, almost all the time, and how deep the writing is on the show. Like nothing today. Sure, I know the Dinosaur characters let the writers tackle more topics, but still, you'd think someone could try to approach something of that caliber today. But for the most part, nonsense rules now. That's not to say there was much (if anything) like Dinosaurs at the time, either. But you get the idea...

    Good point!
  14. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Dinosaurs tackled things with ruthlessness and got away with it because it both looked kid friendly and not taken too seriously AND it flew that under the radar that no one actually had the chance to find anything controversial in it.

    The show openly mocked Scientology! And it was so under the radar no one tried suing them.

    But I take the "Happy Plant" episode as partially sincere, partially scathing. But on that level, they were far more accurate with their portrayal of pot than anything else before it, especially this cartoon special. It showed everyone using it wasting their time, reacting to it as goofy (and in one case very paranoid), and just not doing anything worthwhile since the plant was all they thought they needed. So yeah, in a way, they did have some sincerity about it.

    But it also brutally satirized networks having to make these propaganda pieces (even though they had good intentions). The message at the end was one of the most bitingly brilliant in the show's short lifespan. Stop doing drugs or we'll have to have more preachy sitcoms telling you to quit.

    And to think, this show lost in the ratings because of a show that had the same three mysteries every week. :p
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  15. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    It was done sarcastically in "A New Leaf", but I think drugs were taken more seriously in "Steroids to Heaven".
  16. Mo Frackle

    Mo Frackle Well-Known Member

    I'm a day late, but happy 25th anniversary Cartoon All Stars (ya big weirdo). :insatiable:
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  17. mimitchi33

    mimitchi33 Well-Known Member

    Happy late birthday, Cartoon All-Stars! I watched this as a kid on YouTube and thought it was cool. I did like the Nostalgia Critic's review of this as well...
  18. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I'm really starting to realize that this thing was the greatest waste of all time. Other than the fact they perpetuated the lie that Pot is exactly LSD, you had all these great characters stripped of what made them great to push a well meaning agenda, delivered poorly. Drugs aren't good, sure. And we should have more simplistic messages about things like this for kids. But the more I think about it, the fewer and fewer I remember actually handling the message with clarity and maturity. Not everyone can be Bravestarr.
  19. Mo Frackle

    Mo Frackle Well-Known Member

    Anyone seen this? A nice companion piece to CASTTR. I can't help but laugh out loud when Boo Boo's totally late '80's buddy offers him drugs.

  20. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    Here is a question do they do programs like D.A.R.E or just say NO anymore?

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