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Cartoon all stars to the rescue.

Discussion in 'Muppet Babies' started by JJandJanice, Mar 22, 2006.

  1. robodog Active Member

    Mikey was pretty much everyone's favorite turtle at that time. Mine as well though nowadays I lean more towards Raphael.
  2. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Sometimes they were fun, sometimes they were gratuitous. I think the first movie handled them better. Especially the moldy pizza sequence. "Question... do you like Penicillin on your pizza?"

    Humming taps and sadly tossing it away never fails to kill me, and I get a lot more mileage out of it than the jokes about weird toppings (which some I'd tend to actually try).

    But then again, I like the comics over all the other media... movies, cartoons... all of it. Even loving the new IDW comics.
  3. minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    There were hardly any pizza jokes or references in The Next Mutations series. I remember in one of the first episodes, Michelangelo asks if they want to get a pizza, and they (in annoyance) tell him to grow up. And I've read that pizza wasn't a big part of the original comics, just major in the animated series, though the first two movies featured a lot of pizza (the third one only has one or two pizza scenes/references, both made by Michelangelo).
  4. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Yeah... but then again, I completely gave up with Next Mutation after a couple episodes with the annoying new Turtle. Really.. no one wants a fourth Stooge, what was the call for a fifth turtle?

    But yeah, the old cartoon is the ONLY place where you'll find that much pizza jokes. I noticed in the new(est) movie Mikey was the only one who really at Pizza at all. I wanna say there's a reference in passing in the IDW comics, but I have to double check. The IDW line DOES mention a character called "General Krang" and promises you'll see some familiar faces.

    Krang... that's the ONLY thing I truly miss about the old series. one of the best cartoon villains of all time, right there.
  5. heralde Well-Known Member

    I can't believe I didn't think of this one before but the actor who played Doc on Fraggle Rock, Gerry Parkes, once guest starred on Today's Special, in an episode about alcoholism. It's actually quite disturbing because he becomes really cruel to the little mouse character who finds out about his problem (not to mention trashes the place). In the end he does agree to get help, but the show makes a very difficult but valid point:

    Muffy: Gee from what I heard Phil just say, very soon he'll be OK!

    Jodie: Muffy no, no it won't be soon. And it may be never. Some people can get better from a drinking problem but some people can't. But whatever happens it's up to Phil. I hope he makes it...

    A lot of fans point out how unusual it is for any kid's show to be that blunt about drug addiction. But this is an important thing to know because the majority of the time addicts do relapse, often more than once. It's a lifetime problem that an addict will always have to deal with (if they choose to that is).
  6. beatnikchick300 Active Member

    That was flippin' sweet!
  7. Yorick Active Member

    Most people pick on specials with a positive message. But to me, I feel it's great they tried to have a good impact, and maybe save some lives. You never know what will impact you as a little kid and stay with you into adulthood. So, whether preachy or not, such things at least might help keep someone away from self destruction. But of course no one makes any shows or specials like that anymore. It's more important to be "cool" than to do good. :(
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  8. heralde Well-Known Member

    Right I mean granted it can definitely be fun to mock these things sometimes, lol, but they did have good intentions. Just because it wasn't perfect doesn't mean we shouldn't be trying at all (which I feel like it happening nowadays).
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  9. beatnikchick300 Active Member

    Trying to send a positive message is, of course, not a bad thing. Being hokey, disingenuous, preachy, and obnoxious about it is what most people have a problem with.
  10. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Which is why I prefer the fun, eco-friendly Toxic Crusaders to the uberpreachy, obnoxious Captain Planet. I swear, Captain Planet produced a generation of kids who grew up to think recycling was hippy crap and side with the gas powered "Global Warming is a Myth" types. Being overly preachy about something is the PERFECT way to get everyone against your message.
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  11. heralde Well-Known Member

    It just feels like because some people got it wrong, the result has been that we're not even trying anymore.
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  12. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    That's called hopelessness... and honestly, Captain Planet went on WEIRD tangents when Turner broadcasting took it over. But then again, I'm a dyed in the wool Toxic Crusaders fan that really wishes the show hit it bigger than it did. The horrendous Nintendo and even worse Genesis game didn't help. TC took the role of educating kids about the environment and made it fun without sounding whiny, hippie dippy, or like an obnoxious call to, like, adding 10% more effort into your lives. Captain Planet didn't. But again, biased... I'm VERY biased. TC just came off a TMNT ripoff considering the same animation studio and the same toy company was behind it... but come on... any excuse to make a kid's show based on an R rated cult film with excessive violence. We ALMOST got Kabukiman too...

    Eh... now I'm just going off a fanboyish rant...

    But the best way to get your message across is with a "come on, be cool..." and not a "DO IT OR ELSE BAD THINGS WILL HAPPEN!!!! YEEAAAAHHH!!!"
  13. robodog Active Member

    Glad to know I'm not the only one who liked Toxic Crusaders.
  14. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    That show was frightfully underrated. I loved the toys. And they were much more organically demented than those lame mutants they had to add to the TMNT line. The show had a very sharp wit and unfortunately, that went very underappreciated. I even have the Toxic Crusaders Marvel Comics issue where they parody Captain Planet.
  15. robodog Active Member

    The Genesis game was pretty good too. I borrowed it from a friend once. Too bad I could never find a copy of my own.
  16. Scooterforever Active Member

    I remember Cartoon All Stars quite well, as I saw it many times when I was a kid. The smog guy always reminded me of James Woods. Is it just me, or were the cartoon characters being a bit aggressive? It seems pretty bad looking back. I don't think kids and/or young adults react well to preachy PSAs; it just makes doing drugs seem all the more bada$$ to them. Unfortunately, there's no easy answer or quick fix when it comes to drug addiction prevention. I saw the special numerous times and don't do drugs, so maybe it left an impression on me, though it's hard to say for sure.
  17. heralde Well-Known Member

    Well watching it now I don't think it's that preachy, just blunt. I like how they say everyone has problems but you have to believe in yourself and not turn to easy answers like drugs.
  18. GonzoLeaper Active Member

    Sometimes we all need some inculcation and loving admonition. It is certainly blunt, but it gets the message across quite clearly. It may not be the best approach for everyone, certainly, but I think at least some kids respond to it.
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  19. Yorick Active Member

    That's why I said, "whether preachy or not" to make the point that it's better to try to help (which they did) than do nothing, which TV does now. And I still say TV does nothing now simply because it's not "cool"...not because Cartoon All Stars gets a bad rap. There were so many things of this nature years ago (not just about the danger of drugs - all sorts of topics). Of course, some better than others, but I never could hold much of a grudge against some less-than-great features of something when it's heart was in the right place. Or when it had some heart, period. I'm more angry (for lack of a better word) with shows that lack heart - not that everything needs that quality - I love Invader Zim, for example - but there's such a shortage now in "giving a hoot" that I can't help but speak in support of something like Cartoon All Stars. But hey, we can't all agree on everything, and that's a good thing.:D
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  20. GonzoLeaper Active Member

    well said, Yorick.:wisdom:
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