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Discussion in 'Muppet Babies' started by JJandJanice, Mar 22, 2006.

  1. robodog

    robodog Active Member

    Do drugs and you'll get to meet all your cartoon heroes! Who will then proceed to tell you what an idiot you're being. Probably not the best moral to take away from this special.
    I remember this but only vaguely. I seem to recall watching it just before leaving to go see the first Ninja Turtles movie in the theatres for the third or fourth time. It was pretty much unavoidable since it was aired on all three networks. It was this or nothing.
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  2. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    And to think, the only reason this will never be released is because Garfield was used without permission.

    Still... there HAS to be a better way to get cartoons to collaborate than a preachy anti-drug special.
  3. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Lol, it's easy to make fun of this special, but I actually liked its message. I liked how the characters point out that everyone has problems, that's not an excuse to take the easy way out with drugs.

    You don't typically see that in PSAs. They usually concentrate on how drugs will kill you. Yeah, addicts already know that, they do it anyway! PSAs need to address the reasons people feel the need to escape through drugs in the first place. And this special actually did address that which I appreciated.
  4. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Fat Albert did it better.... and it wasn't a joke when he did it. Bravestarr did the darkest one I've ever seen. Spoiler... kid DIES at the end. Very tragically to boot. And even before that he goes bat frakking bonkers and scares off all his friends.

    You know what drives me insane? You can't make an anti-drug episode anymore because uptight parental groups are so worried that they don't even want them referenced in a negative light. An episode of Buzz Lightyear (also better than this special) had Mira Nova discover the effects of ghosting through a power source, only to need to rely on it to get by. And Zurg used that to his advantage and set a trap that would have destroyed her. That episode was pulled out of rotation. How can you warn kids about the dangers of drugs if you can't even make a stark negative allegory to them? They whine and cry and moan about how their kids are huffing paint and cleaners, and yet they can't educate them about addiction? You cannot have it both ways!

    Addicts of ANYTHING don't care about consequences. That's why their addicts. Sure, some want to change and have trouble, some just cling to a comfort zone. While it is debatable which ones have a worse effect than others, some kill you right away, some take grueling years to take effect. The escapism is what the focus should be, at least with younger kids. You don't see that much, I agree.
  5. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    When you think about it, it was pretty absurd to use the "drugs will kill you" argument because it's a rational one. And addicts are not in their rational minds when it comes to their obsession.

    Actually I feel like PSAs should have been a bit more focused on the friends and family of addicts who are actually in a position to make a difference, even if it's through tough love.
  6. MJTaylor

    MJTaylor Member

    I remember that special! I remember our local station had it on after an episode of The Smurfs, which meant that Papa Smurf was on two back-to-back shows.
    I wish this would come out on DVD. Maybe one day they shall clear it with Jim Davis.
  7. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    I actually didn't see it on TV, but rather our teacher showed it to us in school in 2nd or 3rd grade. We were always watching educational videos about one thing or another. Anti drugs or anti smoking, saving the planet, safety at the train tracks, and of course cartoon versions of Bible stories, hehe.
  8. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member


    That's why I think the Bravestarr episode was brilliant. You could tell what that kid was going trough was hurting his friends and family.

    Worst anti-Drug thing I ever saw was that A Pup named Scooby-Doo episode where they randomly said at the end the bad guy who was posing as the Ghost du jour dealt "drugs." Just generically saying "drugs" randomly for no purpose. Episode wasn't EVEN about drugs.

    That said, I swear there was an episode of Batman TAS where they were mentioning some mob boss moving cocaine. They don't show it, I don't even think it was integral to the plot... but that's the gritty realism (that's still completely kiddified compared to the comics) of that series.
  9. robodog

    robodog Active Member

    Bravestarr was one of the better 80s cartoons anyway. It doesn't surprise me that they were able to do an anti drug episode and do it right.
  10. beatnikchick300

    beatnikchick300 Active Member

    They made us watch that in 5th grade during our drug education program (D.A.R.E., of course). While it was kind of cool seeing the Ninja Turtles and Muppet babies (two of my childhood icons) together, I honestly think that the only way this special could keep kids from using drugs is if you threatened to play it again if they do. :D
  11. Dominicboo1

    Dominicboo1 Well-Known Member

    Did anyone here see the Dinosaurs episode "A New Leaf" Here's a brief (not really that brief summary)
    Robbie and Earl have a fight, and Robbie and Spike unknowingly eat a plant for dinner that's really a drug. It makes them feel very happy, and Robbie shares it with Earl. They get along again, but then Charlene tastes it too. Even Mr. Richfield becomes a victim of the plant. Eventually Fran and Baby leave home until Earl, Robbie, and Charlene come to their sense.Great episode. Funny, but kinda sad at the same time. It ends with Robbie telling you to stay away from drugs for some very important They Ruin Lives, Break families apart, and worst of all........................... Lead TO PREACHY SITCOM EPISODES! :eek:
  12. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Lol, very true.

    For me the best anti drug shows still came from Thundercats, both involving Tygra, he just seemed to have an addictive personality for some reason, lol. They talked about how addicts can put their friends' lives in danger just to get another fix. And how you can think a drug is making you more powerful, but in reality it's making you weak and dependent.
  13. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Someone HAS to have ironically sparked up a doob and watched it.

    Yeah, there HAS to have been a better way for all these cartoon characters to mingle. And I don't mean "This is my childhood" 80's cartoon collage fan arts.
  14. Dominicboo1

    Dominicboo1 Well-Known Member

    Yeah it is true. It makes sense coming from Robbie, because he and his family love TV.
  15. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I find it odd how many articles about this special as well as The Nostalgia Critic's review seem to overreact on the characters knowing about drugs. I don't seem anything wrong with that. I remember when I was in high school somebody talked about this special, thinking it was weird when Bugs Bunny said "What's this,a joint?"

    I would like to see some interviews with people who worked on the special, especially now. I'd like to know the creative process, like if they talked with writers of the various cartoons or watched them to know how to write for them in character.

    A few interesting nitpicks I have:
    • Smurfette appears on the cover, but isn't in the special at all.
    • Tigger is pretty much useless here. He just appears during the musical number, rows a boat with Miss Piggy, and appears in the final group shot. Nothing he does is really notable.
    • It's hard to determine if the characters are really there or if they are a result of drug hallutionations. Corey can see and interract with smoke, when Michael's not around. Pooh also comes to life before her, though him coming to live seems more like a result of her being worried about Michael.
    • It's not often you see Michaleangelo participate in a musical number (though he speaks his way trhough his big line of the song). It's also a shame the Chipmunks didn't sing more, and a shame Bugs Bunny didn't get to sing (he sang in a number of classic Warner Bros. shorts).
    • Slimer appears at the beginning, and then he sort of disapears until the final group shot. He should have been in the musical sequence.
    • Gonzo only appears in his regular outfit in a couple of shots in the msuical number. Even in the final group shot, he's in his artist attire from the rollercoaster sequence.
    • Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck are among the few characters to first appear in solo scenes without the other cartoon characters. Michaelengelo is perhaps the only other one (should we count Huey, Dewy, and Louie, whose first scene is as a group?).
  16. robodog

    robodog Active Member

    I think a lot of people find it strange that children's characters would know about something adult like drugs. It seems out of place somehow. Frankly I think there are a few older cartoon characters that would probably know a thing or two about drugs and worse. Take the Care Bears for example. It's been awhile since I've seen those shows but I seem to recall them coming down from the clouds and helping children in need. If they do this on a regular basis it isn't unusual to think of them encountering and having to help out kids who are on drugs, or kids who are being abused. It never happened in the shows because of network censors but in reality things happen to kids that are much worse than moving away or having a fight with a friend and characters that are essentialy fuzzy guardian angels would have to deal with it. There actually exists a fanfic where one of the Care Bears gets there too late and the kid commits suicide. The fic deals with the aftermath and how the bear deals with their failure to save the kid's life. It's really strange to take these fluffy, sugary characters and force them to deal with something that's much darker than what they usually have to cope with but at the same time it's interesting as well.
  17. mr3urious

    mr3urious Well-Known Member

    And of all the Ninja Turtles the producers could have used, they picked Michaelangelo, the one who always has the munchies (particularly for strange pizza toppings). Sure, he was the most popular with kids, but they should've gotten a clue as to why. :p
  18. Mo Frackle

    Mo Frackle Well-Known Member

  19. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    They ALL were like that. Mikey just was the one that ate more than the others. I find it annoying and hilarious at the same time. Everyone thinks the turtles all talk like Mikey, but then they think Mikey's the only one that ate Pizza. I love the old cartoon and all, but the pizza meme just irks me. Especially since they actually ate Chinese food in the comics. The one thing I liked about the new series? No Pizza jokes. Even though Playmates and various merchandisers didn't get that memo.
  20. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    I have to admit, I miss the pizza jokes, lol.

    As far as this special, it made sense that they picked Michelangelo, he was like the cute little mascot of the group, lol.


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