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Dad hears a "racial slur" on Fraggle Rock

Discussion in 'Fraggle Rock' started by Oscarfan, Nov 11, 2011.

  1. Gonzo's Hobbit Well-Known Member

    funny, I was watching that episode today. I can't watch that scene anymore without thinking of this thing. The syllabic emphasis isn't even right for it to sound like that.
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  2. kessto Member

    I saw this story yesterday, I find the man so ignorant, its like he knows nothing of Jim Henson and his company and what they stand for. Its evident that Steve Whitmire is saying "Gee Gobo" but maybe through the excitement and character (voice and personality) it may sound different. As a puppeteer I can see how the emphasis can be manipulated by the character, but he is definetly not say Jigaboo. Gosh this man is ignorant.
  3. BobThePizzaBoy Well-Known Member

    I decided to rewatch it after I heard the story and I couldn't help but crack up about how stupid this guy is.
  4. Teheheman Well-Known Member

    I actually had to look up what that word meant, and I watched the news clip that came with it, when they showed it on TV he said "Gee, Gobo" but for some reason, I don't know if they sped it up for the SCLC leader but it DID sound like Jigaboo. That being said, it's just a guy mishearing something, and having that in his head as he kept listening to it. It's happened before, I've done that with songs. Now, as far as them editing it out and the dad saying "If he didn't say it then why edit it out?" Because they don't want you to sue, and they don't want 90 billion other people thinking they heard it and having a bunch of either "tramatizing" or other things that can be put into lawsuits. Both sides are at fault here, one for mishearing it, the other for knee jerk reaction to them mishearing it.

    Daniel
  5. heralde Well-Known Member

    Exactly, settlements aren't automatically indications of guilt.
  6. shinycelebi225 Active Member

    .. parents these days..
  7. The Shoe Fairy Active Member

    Out of curiosity, was it in the FR cartoon or not. If it was in FR and they edit the sound, puppet mouths will still "say" Gobo, that could look a tad strange.
  8. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I'm gonna go with Gonzo's Hobbit's answer...

    basically, because someone put it out there, you can't NOT hear it. And let's face it, it's a very obscure slur. Does anyone remember the Marvel Comics blunder in the late 90's where somehow someone misspelled "Killer" and it became a hard core slur? That's something to worry about... this... now the only reason this guy's right is because he pointed it out enough times for you not to think otherwise.

    Still, this is the first time I ever even heard that one.
  9. Gonzo's Hobbit Well-Known Member

    YEa, but they did that with the Challenge Episode. When Doc is looking through the video games. The one he and Sprocket play is Zombie Attack. I'm guessing that's now a copyright name because they took out all the times Doc says attack. So he still mouths it but you can't hear it. So I'm guessing they aren't too worried about that aspect of it.
  10. heralde Well-Known Member

    You see that a lot with the Muppets anyway, it's not that big a deal.
  11. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I think that's some sort of completely idiotic attempt of censoring violence somehow. There's NO reason for them to censor the word attack no matter how they rationalize it.
  12. Slackbot Well-Known Member

    I'd love it if they could simply have Whitmire rerecord the line so it's absolutely clear that Wembley is saying "Gee, Gobo." That won't happen because that would be officially editing an episode that has been out there for decades, as opposed to one distributor taking it on themselves to bleep it, but I can wish.
  13. shinycelebi225 Active Member

    i was worried they were gonna sue them..
  14. Gonzo's Hobbit Well-Known Member

    I don't know if it's that. I mean they use the word "attack" all over the Fraggle War episode and it's not taken out.
  15. Katzi428 Well-Known Member

    NOT trying to take the father's side. But forgetting Gobo's name for a few fleeting seconds it did sound like what the father thought it did.
    (And for the one who was looking for a facepalm smiley? Pepe's eyeroll smiley does just as well. :rolleyes:)
  16. heralde Well-Known Member

    Yeah but if the guy actually, you know, watched the episode he would have seen that that didn't make any sense within the context of the scene. ;)
  17. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Exactly. It makes censoring it all the more pointless if that was the case. I've never heard of any video game past or present called zombie attack... and even if a new game were titled that, Henson would strangely own the copyright on the name for it appearing in the show.

    he was quite likely not paying attention and heard what he thought he heard because he's likely the kind of person to take offense towards everything to the point of actually listening out for offensive stuff on purpose. Like he was looking for it.

    Still, it's an obscure slur and wasn't used in context of anything. And if it was, it would have been caught over 25 years ago.
  18. KirbTreelo05 Active Member

    THIS. I wish this would happen instead of them having to edit Gobo's name out. How will they do that without it looking awkward?

    I couldn't make out what Wembley was saying when I first heard that portion of the clip, but when I did, it sounded nothing like a slur to me. Sounds more like "Gigobo" if anything else.

    This reminds me of an incident with a Hoops and Yoyo card where the NAACP thought the characters were referring to black women in a degrading manner, when they were really taking about astronomy related things.


    You can clearly hear the "L" sound in the word "hole" being said! Why would they use that slur and then talk about planets watching their backs?! People really need to analyze this stuff before they stat jumping to conclusions...:sigh:

    That was me. x) I suppose that'll have to do for now. :D
  19. Sgt Floyd Well-Known Member

    *facepalm* Do these people just TRY to play the racism card? How to do you hear anything but "Holes" in that?

    and to respond to that video, this one about the same thing makes it even more stupid, as the card was out for THREE YEARS before anyone complained.

    &feature=related
  20. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    This is why no one takes them seriously when there's something that's ACTUALLY harmful. This invites racism.This invites people mocking them for being uppity. The stereotype of the uppity ethnic person will rise and become very negative very fast.

    Anyone ever see the movie Bowfinger? When Eddie Murphy's titular character was shouting about a script he turned down because the letter K was used in a number perfectly divisible by 3 (KKK), and that someone mentioned Shakespeare which sounded like shaking spears or something like that? That's how these guys function. They care so much about imaginary problems they make up, and play the race card to make them sound like they're right in their paranoia.

    Something tells me they KNEW expressly that this was about outer space and knew they were saying black holes. They just wanted to create an imaginary controversy to prove that they can. Meanwhile, unspeakable crimes against African Americans with malicious intent are going unpunished and they're not doing a thing against it because they know that a company that's afraid of bad PR is an easier target, and an easier way to get a win.


    Besides... the most offensive thing in that card is saying that if you graduate high school and college that you can take on the world. I just want someone to make a card that says, "If you graduate college, you're not going to get the job you remotely want unless you're born into wealth and your father's a majority stock holder." and "you're probably going to live with your parents for the rest of your life and have to get the same jobs you'd get if you dropped out of high school in the first place. Get ready to spend the next decade of your life paying off student loans."

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