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Dark Crystal sequel may be headed to DVD

Discussion in 'Fantasy Worlds' started by Phillip, Jan 7, 2008.

  1. dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    to me this is a slap in the face to not only Jim Henson, but to every singal person that had a part in the frist movie. Making a second movie only to put it on DVD with a low bugget seems to say they really dont have the passion and love for this movie then Jim did with the first one.
    You can really see the passion for the movie(And not just passion from Jim but everyone.) when you watch the behind the scences short that is put on almost all the DVD's of the first movie

    This is looking like Henson is doing the same thing it did with the classic muppets. They started out real good with there first two movies MCC and MTI but as time and money went on they lost interest, and that my friends is kind of sad. The fact they don't respect all the hard work there father has done over the years is just very sad.
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  2. winkyboy New Member

    Yeah... disappointed here, too. What more can I say? "Boo!" perhaps. At the very least I HOPE they put the effort in to make it good. DVD-releases have a history of being crap, yet that certainly doesn't HAVE to be the case.
  3. dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    Yea i mean just look at some direct to Video things like Land Before Time the first two movies where really good then when they started doing like five and i think now we are all the way up to ten they are cheaply made and just crap. If they where going to make so many they should have just done a tv show. Another good example is Home Alone 1 and 2 where great the rest alll Direct to video where trash. so yea i think it really sets the good ones off when there are to many badly made direct to videos made.
  4. alorindanya Member

    Why does everyone attack Mirrormask? Mirrormask had a very small theaterical release (as in it only went to independant movie theaters, about one per state) and it's storyline and writing were amazing! I personally didn't get to see it in theaters and thought it was going to be a gamble to purchase it as soon as it came out on DVD, since I hadn't seen it and it got such mixed reviews by so many people on this board, but DANG was it a good gamble to take. It is visually stunning, regardless of what medium was used.

    CGI is the future, people. Accept it.

    As for DC2 going direct to DVD, I feel very sad for this, because if it doesn't get widely advertised that it is being released to DVD, people won't know to look for it. Now, I think they did a good job advertising Mirrormask's DVD release, so hopefully since DC was such a big deal, they will do a good ad campaign for the sequel's release.
  5. JMPrater Member

    The issue with MirrorMask isn't the story, it's the production value/s. Period.

    MirrorMask is marred by poorly rendered CGI and creature effects that don't, for the most part, blend well within their environment.

    The issue at hand is really The Dark Crystal. That film is standard for production value and set a bar for what we've come to expect from the Henson stamp. Unfortunately, with the release of MirrorMask, the bar was dropped and production value stood out like a sore thumb ERGO reflecting the film negatively, drawing our attention to believability in the context of the effects as opposed to being lost in the quite interesting story.

    Now, we are faced with the idea or notion that, because of poor funding and disorganization we will receive a half-hearted film, pushed to DVD as an only option. I will say this again, I would love to be proven wrong.

    This sequel is a film you risk everything for, just like Jim Henson did. You do as much as possible to release on par with the effects in the LOTR films. Anything less dishonors Jim's hardwork and sacrifice.

    J.M. Prater
  6. Robin New Member

    Seems I was right all along! The Muppets and everything Henson died with Jim! How upsetting! This news about the Dark Crystal 2 in plain English STINKS!:grouchy:
  7. bknatchbull Well-Known Member

    "Power of the Dark Crystal" still planned for theatrical release. Jan/8/08

    :) Hello,

    From Nicole Goldman, Vice President, Marketing & Publicity, The Jim Henson Company:

    “We are thrilled and grateful that fans are so interested in the progress of ‘Power of the Dark Crystal’ – an especially important project to us that will require great care and attention throughout the production process. A project of this scale takes a lot of time and energy and we continue to work through the development phase, maintaining our original vision of a film for theatrical release that combines traditional puppetry and animatronics with cutting edge CG animation. We’ll be sure to keep fans up to date as more information is confirmed.”

    Take care!

    Brian Knatchbull
  8. MattFraggle New Member

    This is so disappointing. Here's what I have to say to ANYONE at Henson.

    *rant to follow*

    Look, I know you're a business, and from a business standpoint, releasing it straight to DVD seems a logical step for you, but you're pretty much regulating a HUGE movie with LOADS of nostalgia behind it to nothing more than a babysitter's convenience plucked unceremoniously from the $2.00 bin at your local Wal-Mart.

    *shakes head* Cowardly. That's what this seems like. It's almost as if you got bored with the idea of making a sequel. You don't even know what you have! Some of the most beloved and memorable characters in history, and you want to release this DIRECT TO VIDEO? There are people doing better CG effects in their basements than most studios these days, and you can't seem to make something professional enough for theaters?

    ARRRGH!
    *tearing my hair out in huge clumps*

    Heck, I'm a screenwriter! AND an animator who has worked for major Hollywood studios! ( Just like Gennedy dangit ) If you're having story problems let ME take a crack at it! Or do SOMETHING to get this rolling for a THEATRICAL release! This isn't Mexico! It's HOLLYWOOD! How cheap can you get? It's bad enough you guys sit there and wonder, "Duhhhh...SHOULD we release Fraggle Rock on DVD? DUUUUH!"

    Matt Sullivan
    (animator / writer / pest )
  9. LeanneFuller Active Member

    Oh Dear,

    The only thing I can say is this, have the Henson Company confirm this article at all? maybe it is just wishful thinking on their part. Such a shame as part of the magic is to see it on the big screen.

    Unless we arrange a world wide screening, showing the film in cities across the world to show Henson that the fans still believe in the magic.

    Leanne
  10. MattFraggle New Member

    DO...NOT...UNDERESTIMATE....NOSTALGIA! It's as effective a marketing device as any trailer featuring CG Chipmunks eating their own poop! ( what the hey? )
  11. siggyweaves New Member

    I agree with everyone who commented on the state of the Jim Henson Company. Jim Henson is dead. With him, much of the magic died. I have not been impressed with any Henson Company material that's been produced "post-Jim," if you will. It's disillusioning to realize that the company is now just a by-the-numbers, monetary business, and no longer in the business of instilling childhood wonder and laughter in its viewers.

    Let's face it, good story or not, Mirrormask's production values were horrendous. I barely made it through to the end, the CGI was so cheesily done. And why do shows containing puppets have to utilize CGI in the first place? Jim Henson captured our hearts just fine without all of that.

    I don't think any of us can profess to know what the true quality of the Dark Crystal sequel is or will be until it's released and we actually have a chance to see it firsthand. Genndy has proven his directing chops on a slew of animated features. For my part I am simply fearing another puppet/CGI hybrid like Mirrormask, where the end product fails to impress. Let's hope that's not the case. But, as others have said, if the sequel is terrible, we can always forget it and just watch the original again.
  12. LeanneFuller Active Member

    I agree
  13. MattFraggle New Member

    I think The Jim Henson Company has TREMENDOUS potential! but the powers that be need to step aside and trust the CREATIVE talent for a change. There's so much fantasy out there, it's SICK!

    For example, Adam Phillips ( the GENIUS behind Bitey of Brackenwood ) is currently looking to develop a feature based upon his amazing animated webisodes. Could you imagine if Henson were to get ahold of That? WOW!

    http://www.biteycastle.com/main.html

    I still have hope for Henson, but its decisions like this straight to dvd travesty that make me wonder how long before it closes for good. Hollywood isn't a place for people who second-guess themselves, you need to have CONFIDENCE in the material you either own, or want to develop. You can't waffle over something like this.
  14. dabauckham Member

    So, here's another thread about this, but I'm not sure what to make of it:

    http://forum.muppetcentral.com/showthread.php?t=36158

    it appears that the person who started the thread assumed that the movie would still be a theatrical release, but it seems that what the quote actually meant was that they want the movie to have the "quality" of a theatrical release, which is why they are taking their time releasing it to DVD.

    I don't know....I don't have my hopes up.

    Thoughts?
  15. Aleal New Member

    Just for the record, right now this news is really non news. What was Phil's source for his article? Latino Review, as linked. Their source? This piece: http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/wizard/006675886.cfm?page=2

    The actual article hypes a number of upcoming comic book/fantasy themed projects, most of which will be going straight to video. But absolutely no statement is made about "Power of the Dark Crystal" to indicate anything (it's right above a piece on "AstroBoy," which as of now is definitely slated for a theatrical release). And that article doesn't include any sources for the Winter 2008 date either.

    So, it's not impossible that the project could go straight to DVD, but right now, everyone's getting het up over a single writer's assumption, based on absolutely no evidence at all, which has been circulated around the internet. Henson has certainly been slow to issue updates, but as with earlier unfounded rumors about the project's cancellation, wait and see before wailing and gnashing teeth.
  16. Robin New Member

    Well this is definitely squandering a great franchise! How magic and Epic a new Dark Crystal could have been!(lord of the Rings like in scale perhaps) A world that as special man to all of us Jim Henson Created! He is by far one of the most dear creators of our time or ever!

    His legacy has been so mismanaged and even ruined in my opinion. More than half the fans could manage his company better! This could have been so special... At least we know what we're getting... Straight to DVD means ah pass on it it sucks anyways! Or it was just OK... WELL IT WAS JUST OK is NOT what Jim Henson would ever settle for! This is complete rubbish!

    I am SO ASHAMED at the the people running the Henson ship! Talk about NO passion! Talk about no respect! We love the magic worlds Jim has created and his lessons of love and fun and life! Do those running Henson even know how loved his creations were! YOU WOULDN'T THINK SO! I"M DISGUSTED!:grouchy:
  17. dabauckham Member

    Yes, Aleal, I just followed that original source myself (http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazi...886.cfm?page=2), and the details do seem up for speculation. I think we may be jumping the gun a little bit, especially considering the Nicole Goldman quote I linked to above. Here's the bit I keep mulling over:

    "A project of this scale takes a lot of time and energy and we continue to work through the development phase, maintaining our original vision of a film for theatrical release that combines traditional puppetry and animatronics with cutting edge CG animation. We’ll be sure to keep fans up to date as more information is confirmed.”

    Perhaps things will work out after all...
  18. Jeffboy New Member

  19. beaker Well-Known Member

    You people are too funny

    "This is the worst news ever!"

    Did anyone *really* think this would go to theatres? Come on now.
    I am beyond excited...people dont know, but almost ten years ago right here on Muppet Central(late 1998) we were all abuzz that JHC was about to start work on a new dark crystal movie. Ok, so it took a decade. But Im sorry, I find this amazingly exciting...so surreal...a sequel to dark crystal

    "MirrorMask was horrible!"

    Really now? Thats funny, because I thought it was astonishing and glorious...maybe Im one of the few fans of Dave Mckean's ornate style, but I remember travelling far to two seperate theatres to seeing it and buying the action figures. I also remember it being on my top ten list of 2005.
    The movie HAD to be mostly cgi, and it captured the look and feel of Mckean's work perfectly.

    I wonder if I even saw the same movie as some as you

    "The Muppets Died With Jim"

    hmmm, then I guess you dont mind that Disney has squandered the Muppets?

    I face the reality that if Disney hadnt bought the Muppets, JHC wouldnt be free to make films like Fraggle Rock the movie, Dark Crystal 2, MirrorMask, or launch a bunch of stuff under the HA! brand.

    I also face the reality that so far, weve seen practically zilch in 4 years of Disney ownership.

    Be upset with JHC over selling the Muppets to Disney, not for making the decision to go direct to dvd with Dark Crystal 2.
  20. petrieboy Member

    I've had it. The quality of the Henson people's output since 1993's very good "Muppet Christmas Carol" has been on a par with Disney's second, third, or fourth hand team's output of pathetic sequels to Walt Disney masterpieces. I'm going to sum up the three major ("major" is really pushing it) film releases with the word : crap. "Muppets From Space" - Pretty Much Crap. "It's a Very Merry Muppet Piece of Crap" - crap. "The Muppets Wizard of Crap" - ULTRA crap. While there are real works of art being made in this day and age by real directors, with real scripts, and real artists, I'm losing real interest, real fast, in The Jim Henson Company.

    If something were on a par, quality wise, with the original film, and released in 2008, do you think there is a chance that a studio would not pick it up for theatrical release? Good for Brian Froud being rejected from the project... he can save his dignity from what I'm assuming will be... crap.

    One of the few straight to video releases I can think of, that should have gone straight to theaters is "Ripley's Game" which appears on Roger Ebert's "Great Films" list, and involves Tom Ripley, the character portrayed by Matt Damon is "Talented Mr. Ripley." The New Line studio claimed to be overwhelmed by The Lord of the Rings trilogy at the time, and just couldn't handle releasing or promoting "Ripley's Game."

    So, let the Henson family veer off into what they believe is the exciting world of adult puppetry on cable. Let them continue their new tradition of badly directed films without any heart or soul, or good original music, released straight to TV, and straight to video.

    The fact that I own "The Muppets Wizard of Oz" on dvd, and never finished watching it, is remarkable. Is there a chance I could have turned off "The Muppet Movie," "The Great Muppet Caper" or "Muppets Take Manhattan"? Not a chance.

    Does "Henson" read these forums? Does anyone on here try to get through to them? Or have they only been sucked up to during fan meetings based on sheer delight in meeting them at all? I realize that this message is written in anger, but that is what I feel, and I believe that it is an accurate emotion for the circumstances.

    The last scene of the lovely "Muppet Family Christmas," in which Jim Henson appears, washing dishes and comments on how nice it is to see his Muppets having such a good time, is an emotional moment. It is made more emotional when none of his family members seem to know why they were having such a good time. The dishes are rotting in the sink.

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