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Dark Crystal sequel may be headed to DVD

Discussion in 'Fantasy Worlds' started by Phillip, Jan 7, 2008.

  1. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member

    Actually, Jim Henson Company employees, family members, Disney folks, and Sesame Workshop people all read these forums, and some of them could be members but I'm remissed who it would be.

    Wait, did I use that word correctly?

    I loved Muppet Christmas Carol and Treasure Island. I would have enjoyed Muppets From Space more had they not had such lame guest cameos throughout. Muppets Wizard of Oz is really good, but I wasn't in love with Dorothy. Seeing as how the majority of those productions were done in association with Diz kind of negates the disappointment here with JHC.

    I've also not been in love with much else they've been pushing from JHC. HOwever, I have found myself cracking up at much of the Puppet Up stuff, and (what's her name? Juliana?) the female puppeteer is AWESOME! She is hilarious and quick and a very good catch for the JHC to do something with her. I bet she has wonderful ideas they could work from if they asked her.

    I feel that JHC could score with this at the theater, and it is a shame they don't trust their own brand enough to fight harder to get it in theaters, but with movies like Mirrormask under their belt opening to select theaters--and a very weird movie at that, very artistic and visually beautiful, but not something I can watch over and over--it's going to be tough.

    Well, I normally like to go see things at the theater and pay the $8.50 for a ticket to find out if I want to buy a $20 dvd or not. I suppose in this case I'll just wait until it's released, pay $5.00 to rent it and if I like it buy the $20 dvd. I'm saving $3.50 that way, I guess.

    Still, there's nothing like seeing it on the big screen.

    I hope Fraggle Rock goes to the big screen. If not, BOOO!
  2. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    It really just depends on your opinion. I wasn't happy with the post-Jim films made before Disney came into the picture. But again, call me a purist, but I'm not as concerned about new projects. The original films are all still there and nothing can change that. If would be great if the company would do something new that's just as good, but if they don't, that's OK too. Nothing can take away the importance of Jim's original work.

    It's like how people are always wondering who will be bigger or just as good as the Beatles. Some fans are content to say nothing will ever be better. :)
  3. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    No gloom and doom, but my two cents...

    The Henson Company should have started with the Fraggles. I think they're really too close to their properties to have real perspective on the current market. The Fraggles time is now. I think they're finally getting that.

    The Dark Crystal is the project that should have been shelved for a few years. It shouldn't be approached with such urgency. The PR for the project keeps jumping the gun. I've seen too much about the project for it to be so far away and a DVD release! I'm sure people who've spotted the odd article and promotional image over the past year or so think the project has come and gone and was a disappointment. Something's going on with Henson's public relations.

    My solution to the Dark Crystal is that accompanying the manga, there should be some sort of episodic animated cable or web series, like the Clone Wars with Star Wars, to introduce the characters in new minds and gain stronger support for a glossy project later (that may or may not use the toon's storyline). Expensive merchandise that doesn't look like the film's art is the wrong way to go. The company appears to be out of touch with the fans.

    The entertainment output landscape is changing quicker than the quality of the CG effects its projects usually contain that I can't fault the Henson Company's floundering for theatrical support in such a climate.

    Green-lighting the beautiful, but self-indulgent Neil Gaiman project MirrorMask for theatrical release did not help Henson’s clout one bit. That should have been a Sci-Fi Channel miniseries. That cushy spot in theaters should have been saved for the Dark Crystal sequel. I liked MirrorMask, but felt completely isolated from the characters and scattered story. Not very Jim Hensonesque in that respect. His work was always more relatable on several levels.

    They are doing interesting multimedia, web and cable projects. There is a lack of focus. I have hope for the company, but it appears that something needs to change with them first. I don’t think Henson is looking at things clearly these days, but they are trying. I see that and it makes me happy that they’re over the apathy of the mid-90s.

    As for the Muppet projects (although they are non-Henson Company operated for several years now) I liked Oz and the Christmas special. They have many problems, but there are some moments where the characters shine. Comparing the recent TV movies to the first two classic theatrical films isn’t very fair. The Muppets have been going through some growing pains. I think that’s going to settle down soon. Recent appearances prove that they are comfortable in their own Muppety fur and fleece once again!
  4. petrieboy

    petrieboy Well-Known Member

    I don't know, FrogBoy, 20 years is a lot of time to work out kinks, and "A Muppet Christmas Carol," which was released very soon after Jim's passing, is the best thing they've done in those 20 years. Maybe they were still reeling in his magic. Is Paul Williams still alive? It's time they do something classy and BIG, full of music, and bring him back.
  5. MattFraggle

    MattFraggle Well-Known Member

    Thing is, maybe Henson needs to make NEW properties that are just as popular as the old stuff. Who knows. I just know i'd like to see Power of the dark crystal in a theater.
  6. JMPrater

    JMPrater Well-Known Member

    For the record, Brian Froud was not rejected from the DC2 project, in fact, his participation was a prerequisite to Genndy directing the film.

    That aside, the issue here really goes to the core of the Henson company and the Henson family. Clearly Lisa & Brian Henson, growing up in their father's shadow, have inherited a kingdom of odd yet funny characters, but of late, not an ounce of the nuance their father had, which has left the world of the muppets dry and desperate for new life.

    The idea is making the muppets funny and relevant, which Lisa & Brian can't seem to do. So what do they do instead? They go back and re-explore worlds their father created in effort to generate profit and make the business relevant. This is absolutely the opposite of how Jim Henson approached his work. Jim Henson was an artist, first and foremost, being his son or daughter doesn't make you one as well. Jim Henson put his art first and foremost, sometimes costing him dearly, and yet his art lived.

    At the present moment, we have his offspring trying to run a business, hoping that they can create memories and magic, as opposed to doing the reverse.

    J.M. Prater

    addendum : Is this website official? Meaning, is the news that is posted here sanctioned by the Henson company or is this just an official fansite? Lastly, strange is it not that Henson will neither confirm or deny this direct to DVD rumor? Does anyone know the source of the Latino Review's info?
  7. petrieboy

    petrieboy Well-Known Member

    So Brian Froud worked on the new film? I was misinformed, either on here or on imdb.

    Thank you, Prater, for your very good comments.
  8. Phillip

    Phillip Administrator Staff Member

    As it says on the disclaimer at the bottom of the page, we are a fan site not officially related to The Jim Henson Company, Disney or Sesame Workshop. However, we do have relationships and contacts with all of the companies above.

    By the way, it was mentioned earlier in this thread, but Nicole Goldman from the Henson Company issued the following statement in response to the news. Their response was also added yesterday to the above story.

  9. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    Well now i feel better
  10. petrieboy

    petrieboy Well-Known Member

    JPrater, I think that this site is probably more reliable than any official site would be.

    I hope that the film doesn't go overboard with CGI. My feelings about CGI are that, when done with a big budget and great artists (Ratatouille), it can look amazing. But isn't it funny how the original King Kong animatronic/clay model looks so creepy and amusing nearly a century later, and early CGI from the 1980s looks terrible? Time and technology move so fast, that it is very often those things with a human, "organic" touch which last.
  11. Aleal

    Aleal Active Member

    Once again, let me point out that any and all info about the direct to DVD status comes entirely from one sentence: "Along with a new Batman feature, fans of the original Dark Crystal will be excited to know about a sequel also being released this year on DVD." That sentence is from a blogger at Latino Review. That's it. They had no source for it all, but assumed, since the movie was discussed at Wizard's website along with some other projects which will be going to DVD (and at least one which certainly will not), that it was a DVD, since they clearly hadn't followed any of the history of "Power of the Dark Crystal."

    One can read the official Henson statement as vague if one likes, but it seems pretty clear to me ("a film for theatrical release" can't mean anything else, really, in contrast to, say "a theatrical quality film"), especially since as I said, only one sentence was the source of the original rumor, and Muppet Central, Cinema Blend, and others just ran with it.
  12. GoblinBabe

    GoblinBabe Member

    Personally, I think the Henson company needs a big hit theatrical release to boost there income and to let dedicated fans know that they can still meet the expectations that Jim Henson had. The Henson dream has been a part of my life from the begining and I want to share that special magic Jim had with my own children someday. I'm very eager to see the results of this movie and was stoked to learn it would only be made of Brian Froud was a part of the production team.

    Here's hoping to a new begining for the Jim Henson Company!
  13. MattFraggle

    MattFraggle Well-Known Member

    I actually don't mind CG for this or any other Henson project. Remember, jimhimself was fascinated with CG ( which they started playing with on the Jim Henson hour, if I remember correctly. )

    I was trained by Disney artists, and most remarked the Walt Disney himself was enamored with technology. He would have no doubt LOVED computer animation and pushed it to its limits. more or less, it all comes down to this simple fact:

    CG is a tool. Just a tool. A tool that, for all its over-use, is responsible for ensuring that movies like Lord of the Rings got made. budget-wise, if it weren't for Cg, that trilogy NEVER woulda seen the light of day, or looked HALF as good. I'm not saying practical effects or makeup, or animatronics couldn't come close. I LOVE old school effects. But when you actually sit down and play with 3d as I have, you realize WHY it's so frequently used. As years go by, it gets cheaper and easier to use.

    Don't freak out TOO much by any mention of CG in the Dark crystal movie ( IF any of these rumors are true ) I suppose I, like everyone else here, will wait for the film to come out and judge it on its merits )

    That's really all any of us can do.
  14. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    The problem with CGI right now is that it's still in its infancy. If it's not done well because of lack of funds or technology (as happens very often), it's very disapointing.
  15. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    I also think that with CG Vs. Anamtronics that Cg just does not look as real. i mean if you watch the first Jurasic Park movie you can tell which is CG and what isn't. I also think that as an actor it would be a whole lot easier to act with a puppet of some kind insted of something what was to be added latter in post production.
    Regarding the Dark Cristal and CG i want to say the less they use the better. Now if they use it for some big fight scene or something then i could understand it. If you look at MTI there was some CG used but it was done well and not overdone. I think I will always love seeing Kermit doing all them flips to me that was the coolest Kermit has ever been.
  16. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    I do think companies are far too confident in CGI, with the idea that it could eventually replace everything else, including actors. CGI, even good CGI, always has a slight cartoon quality, you know it's not real.
  17. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I tend to take a Muppety attitude about it - all is welcome and has a place. I't just finding where that belongs.
  18. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    I agree, it all has a purpose if used properly. It's just that CGI companies need to learn that. Hehe
  19. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    The fad of audiences flocking to CG film spectacles is diminishing. It's becoming clear moviegoers want good stories told and made the best way they can be. This means a variety of methods, not just the new shiny ones. I'm been saying that for years. And of course there will be a traditionally animated film that will come along and create a retro-fad of hand drawn pictures for a while. Film is a language, not just a technology. A Dark Crystal sequel and Fraggle Rock film will greatly benefit from computer techniques. Jim Henson would definitely have used them, but he would have masterfully fused them into a mixture of techniques. That's how it should be. There's just something about an actual physical pressence that can't be replicated.
  20. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    i kind of think that is what i was saying as well i think. lol.

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