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Dark Crystal sequel may be headed to DVD

Discussion in 'Fantasy Worlds' started by Phillip, Jan 7, 2008.

  1. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Yeah I think we mostly all agree. CGI should be used to help a movie, but not take over. Ultimately audiences prefer a good story. George Lucas even said in an article that he concentrated too much on the special effects for the Star Wars prequals and not enough on the story.
  2. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    I have been wondering about that quote myself. It's a little confusing the way they wrote it. It could mean they are still hoping for a theatrical release. Or it could be they will try to make sure the DVD is theatrical quality.

    However, to me, if they are saying they are just in the development phase, and then that they are maintaining their original vision, then it sounds to me like they are still hoping for a threatrical release. But they can't guarantee it.
  3. dabauckham

    dabauckham Member

    Yes, that seems to make sense. Here's hoping for the best... :halo:
  4. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Yeah I mean I really don't know what the intention was in the statement. All we can do is hope.
  5. JMPrater

    JMPrater Member

    And all they can continue to do it seems [Genndy, Henson & Co.] os stay silent, essentially SNUBBING the enormous fanbase this film already has.

    J.M. Prater
  6. froggiegirl18

    froggiegirl18 New Member

    Okay I can't stand it anymore. I have to say something. The muppets have not lost their magic. The puppeteers are doing all they can to keep the magic alive. You try working with someone for years who was not only the head but probably a really good friend to the ones working for him, and then suddenly without warning he's gone. How would you feel? What would you do? I think the performers and the company are doing a wonderful job in keeping the memory of Jim alive and doing all they can to keep the dream moving foreward. As for the movie coming to dvd. I think it's a very wise move, because lets all face it if the first one did not do great at the box office the second one would probably not do well either. It is disappointing to not be able to see it on the big screen but like someone said earlier on here, at least it's coming out at all. What we can do as fans is let word of mouth travel by sending e-mails to friends, posting on websites, whatever so that sells can be good and that we can let them know that Jim's fans are still behind the dream. Hopefully not getting my hopes up, but I loved the Star Wars "Clone Wars". The director is a wonderful story teller and has an eye for detail. Not only that but they got Brian Froud who came up with the design of the characters for the first film, so we know it's going to look good. Have faith people come on and spread the word even before it hits the shelves!
  7. JMPrater

    JMPrater Member

    I wonder what a Steven Spielberg film would be like if he died and didn't direct it, yet it was called "a film by Steven Spielberg"?

    That's the problem. Jim Henson died, tragically, unexpectedly. Jim Henson was the pivot point, and without him we have talented puppeteers, but that's about it. You can't have the magic without the magician.

    In terms of the new dark crystal sequel, the magic of the first film came from Henson. I am overjoyed about this sequel, but far more cynical about the wraps it's been under. Jim Henson was always about transparency, and inviting others in to catch a whif of his vision. This has yet to happen.

    It's like this sequel is being filmed in the communist era Russia with armed guard. Ah well, I suppose it's par for the course absent of a magician.

    J.M. Prater
  8. I don't know if I'd go to those lengths, JMPrater. While I'll admit that I don't like the secrecy any more than you do, this is an "in-development" project, and in-development projects are always kept very tightly under wraps. In fact, 9 times out of 10, everyone involved has to sign non-disclosure agreements, so things don't get leaked out and ideas aren't compromised by others. Again, I don't like it, but I do understand the almost complete void of information we have around this project right now.

    A few days ago I was just as mad as a lot of other people about the direct-to-DVD comment that popped up on that one website, but after thinking and talking with other fans on this board, it's apparent that all of this hype came from a couple short sentences on a non-official website. While I didn't receive any reassurances in one direction or the other from JHC, I still believe that anything that's been reported on this is rumor at best, and we all just have to wait until the production is farther along to get any real info.
  9. And remember this also: Almost everyone who worked with Jim will tell you that the only way that they were able to continue with the Muppets after Jim died was that, in life, he showed them how. He worked closely with those around him to let them into his genius brain and show them his thought processes. I'll readily admit that there have been things released that could be called distinctly "un-Jim", but those in the old guard could never have hoped to continue, had Jim not taken the time and showed them the way.
  10. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Exactly, most if not all movies are kept under wraps. It's perfectly normal. :)
  11. JMPrater

    JMPrater Member

    Yes, it is perfectly normal, I think the problem is, or, the issue for me is, it's been over two years, and with the exception of the leaked comic-con video, and the 2-3 images released via JHC, there's been nothing, and yet, they've been in production for some time. I know I'm just impatient! ha! It would be nice to be able to see more of an 'in process' look before the film comes out.
  12. I agree buddy, I'm lickin' my chops too!
  13. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member

    I'm still keeping hope we have a theatrical release. Either way, I'll be watching it and supporting it.

    I agree with the above sentiment--it's been so long since we've had new anything that I'm chomping at the bits to see it get going! If they need us, maybe we should get out there and help 'em, eh?
  14. MattFraggle

    MattFraggle New Member

    I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that MAYBE we need new talent. not that stevewhitmire, karen prell, Jim Henson, Frank Oz, etc aren't great. but after a while the same people can only make the same thing. And THAT'S why i suggested afew post back that maybe we'd be better off watching ORIGINAL movies instead of sequels.

    That said, IF the movie comes out, i will ONLY watch it in a theater. I like the experience of going to a film on opening night or the following week. i HATE watching movies on phones or ipods or a "big screen" tv. it just...isn't...the same.
  15. The 11th UrRu

    The 11th UrRu Member

    re

    Truth is, its not normal... delays not withstanding, they're about a year behind on the teaser trailer, and you dont even need footage for that....

    There is absolutely no doubt that the company is seriously lagging behind in the way they reach out to, not only their fan base, but potential fan base. The very fact that they cant figure out that they have to seperate the Skrumps type stuff from the tinseltown type stuff on the opening page of their site is proof positive that not only are their communication efforts complete after thoughts, but also that they have no idea HOW to talk to their fan base.

    Prater is right. Wheres the web docs, the production logs, attempts to hype one of their most prestigious franchises ever? Have you thought of this? Where the movies official website? Time to wake up and smell the coffee. I aint mad, Ill always be proud to be a fan, its just my 2 cents...
  16. JMPrater

    JMPrater Member

    Well Said 11thUrRu! Well said indeed.
  17. GelflingWaldo

    GelflingWaldo New Member

    Take, for example, "Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skill". That film is a very highly anticipated film with a huge fan base of very dedicated and hard-core fans. The film will be hitting theaters in 4 months...and there has been no trailer, no giant production blogs and only about 4 officially released images thus far. Most of the meaty information about the film has only just started to surface.

    Now, Power of the Dark Crystal is at least 18-24 months away from hitting theaters. Physical production/filming has not started yet. They are still technically in pre-production.

    About 14-20 months about, there was little to no official information out there about Indy 4 other then that it was being developed. Dark Crystal fans have gotten a lot more than Indy fans.

    Over the past 31 months, since the announcement that the company was going to start developing the idea of a sequel, a lot has happened - the script was written and finalized by David Odell, a director was hired, a distributor and production company was signed, conceptual artwork and designs have been done by Brian Froud, and a lot more business work. We’ve gotten to see more than a dozen conceptual designs, there have been 3 major press releases regarding the film, a presentation was made at Comic-con about the film... heck, they are even selling official t-shirts for the film.

    Sure there are some big films that really pump out the publicity years before the movie's release, but this isn't going to be one of those films. Most films aren't.

    There are many big films planned to come out before Dark Crystal 2 (Harry Potter 6, Madagascar 2, Bond 22, Star Trek, Transformers 2, Ice Age 3...) and none of them are providing fans with the kinds of information that some of the people here seem to feel entitled too at this point. So wait for production to really get going, wait for the release to get a little nearer, patience.
  18. Viking Hero

    Viking Hero New Member

    I would like to point out a few things to all of you nay-sayers out there.
    -ONE: Just because it is going directly to DVD does not mean it will be bad, i mean come on this is the Henson Company we are talking about.
    -TWO: This movie will not live up to your hopes and dreams because it will be compared to the original which most of us saw in our child hood. How many of you love(d) Power Rangers? Or the TMNT? But now if you go back to them they're not as good. We had different ideas and minds as children and everything was better that it really was, that is why Power Rangers and other programs that kids watch do so well.
    -THREE: Mirror Mask was a great movie. If you can't appreciate the art of that movie then you might dislike other Henson projects, or you might like them as well.
    -FOUR: This movie doesn’t have to come out to theaters for it to be good. Treat it as you would a theatrical production. I have seen marvelous productions of theater (both puppet and regular) that were not on Broadway or anything like that. Just because they are not "big" productions does not mean that it will be bad.

    I could go on but I won't.
  19. JMPrater

    JMPrater Member

    18 to 24 months away? Where did you come up with that estimate gelflingwaldo? Last I heard, the film was due for a 2009 release. 18 months would mean at least 2010, and nowhere has that been said. Last I read "Everything was back on track" and from what I gathered, based off of earlier reports, physical production has started.

    In terms of Indiana Jones 4, images, news and video diaries debuted nearly a full year before the film was released. If any one keeps up with that production, stills, and video started last summer.

    So, in retrospect, I just don't buy it. Look at the imagery already produced with the use of the Jen & Kira puppets. The Power of the Dark Crystal was initially slated for a 2008 May release, due to budgetary issues, it was put on hold. A couple of months later, everything resumed course, albeit for a 2009 release instead, which is less then a year a way.

    J.M. Prater
  20. GelflingWaldo

    GelflingWaldo New Member

    Well, that would place it between July-December 2009. The last word I got from Henson on the issue was a late 2009 release.

    Yes, but all that stuff started to come out after physical production/filming had actually started. That hasn't happened yet for this film. I would wait until they get out of pre-production before you expect to see the team focusing on promotion.


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