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Deja vu all over again

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by newsmanfan, Jul 6, 2011.

  1. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    I'm sorry, I may not agree with Palin's politics, but I won't jump on the "Bash Palin" bandwagon. It's getting to the point where it's school yard bullying. I know what it feels like to be isolated and all the kids gleefully thinking it's "cool" to tear you apart. I don't care who the person is, I've just can't tolerate that when I see it.

    Plus it's absolutely true that the criticism is more hostile and cruel when it's directed at women. It's still acceptable to treat women in power as though they are jokes.
  2. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    She is a joke. here's why:

    The VERY same right wing politicians that benefit from her mangled logic say the very same nasty things comedians and Democrats say behind her backs. Yeah, a lot of people say nasty things about her, but at least we're not using her to further politics to people who she appeals to (read: people even dumber than she talks).

    Secondly, what's with Palin's hatred of the media? She has more TV shows than Seth MacFarline and Chuck Lorre combined! And let's not forget big a liberal biased PBS news organization ran a puff piece on her being the least corrupt Alaskan politician (which bears the same austerity as being the thinnest contestant on the Biggest Loser) which CLEARLY got McCain's attention. She's basically whining about being thrown under a bus while throwing everyone that made her famous under a bus. John K was more respectful of Filmation for giving him his start than Palin and the media.

    Thirdly, oh the right can go on all day about how Obama is like Hitler because a health care bill is EXACTLY the same as the mass genocidal slaughter of Jews, gays, people with disabilities, Gypsies...etc but when someone says something bad about them, they have to break down and cry their eyes out about how evil everyone else is? Sesame Street makes a joke about a biased news source and it's all over the papers? Glenn Bleeccch can shoot his mouth off and can't even keep his conspiracy theories straight (The president is racist to white people... the president is racist to black people... okay, the president isn't racist) but anyone says anything to him and he goes on with the passive aggressive "I'm not perfect" crap? They're ALL like this, not just Palin. They love to say hateful, untrue things, but when someone on the left says something with the same venom, they're public enemy number one? If you can dish it out, you should be able to take it. She can't.

    Lastly, I just hate who she is as a person. You know those bimbo homecoming girl types that are friends with the nastiest jocks in class that laugh at you when their BF's trip you and throw stuff at you? That's the vibe I'm getting from her. The movie MeanGirls spoke volumes about that culture, and I swear she was a popular girl that laughed every time a weak kid's head got flushed in a toilet for just being alive.

    Of course, it stands to say, man, woman, black, white whatever, I don't like politicians in general with some small exceptions. it's not that I wouldn't respect her as a woman, but I don't respect her as a person for being a politician in general. And I have a thing against pageant bimbos. They would gladly have laughed at all of us here getting shoved into lockers.
  3. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    What I'm saying is, I don't need to know why. I do understand. I just don't want to keep picking on her. ; )

    Maybe she is a bully, queen bee type. But I'm not, and I'm not about to start acting like one towards her.

    Hey I was picked on by the popular girls too. But when they were bullied (it happens to everyone), I still stood up for them and many of them were a lot friendlier after that. I think Democrats might want to take note of that. They can't keep bashing people who don't agree with them and then complain when they don't get votes!
  4. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    The right does the same thing... and they GET votes. I will say the ONLY thing she did I respected and agreed with was bringing cupcakes to school. Seriously... what's the fascination on the left with band-aid solutions to obesity and caving in with idiotic parental groups run by lazy parents?

    My problem is that the right is perpetually stuck thinking Reagan is the best thing ever. Reaganomics DOESN'T work. Maybe it would if big business had a shred of conscience (so I can't say the politicians are all to blame) and actually shared the wealth... but it doesn't. It says "MINE!" and cries when they lose money because no one's buying anything because they keep artificially raising prices. There are no jobs. We can throw as much American Tax money at big oil, big banking, and whatever and the rich will just keep slurping up the money and saying "It's ALL profit! WEEE!"

    I dunno about anyone else, but how come when it comes to belt tightening, WE'RE always the ones that have to do it? We still bare the tax burden, and to decrease the debt (brought on by Reaganomics of spending a fortune on big defense while not letting any of the war profiteers pay for any of it) we have to slash medicare, social security, and all this stuff the elderly has EARNED, but the poor oil industry can't let go of it's big fat tax cuts, loopholes, and subsidiaries or it won't create jobs that it wasn't planning on creating anyway.

    We had to throw money at the big fat beasts that were gnawing on our poor (the banking industry)... the same one that REFUSES regulations, the same one that cheered when the Bush administration made it harder for the poor to file for bankruptcy (though big business can claim Bankruptcy, layoff everyone, and then just run off to Tahiti with the rest of the money. That's EMBEZZLEMENT!)... the same ones that once the Dems broke down and gave them the money paid everyone off to say how bad this was when THEY were handing out humongous bonuses to the morons that ruined the companies in the first place. I remember John "I'll go where the money does" Stossle going on The View saying not to blame the banking industry for threatening to destroy the world's economies, but the government for not letting it happen... all the while defending the bonuses for people who do terrible jobs.

    I mean, with the auto industry, at least jobs were on the line... though it was THEIR fault for making us reliant on gas guzzling monstrosities that break down after a year. WHo'd've thought the country would stop buying that stuff briefly when we let the oil companies manipulate the price of gas up to 4 bucks a gallon?

    Bottom line:

    1) Companies are run by greedy, incompetent, spoiled rich kids of a-moral wealthy families...

    2) they want to destroy the middle class because they want to have the most money possible, and waiting for capitalism to work so they can get their money legit....

    3) we have had the greatest economic growth in a 2 year period and we STILL have market value 6,000 unemployment? Oh yeah! Legislation that doesn't give these guys sex favors is going to kill imaginary job growth.

    Seriously... the small government tools are listening to what the wealthy WANT them to hear, that ill gotten tax favors will kill job growth when they're too head up their butts to realize they won't give them those jobs no matter how much tax favors they get. I say, it's time for the president to grow a pair and pull down big business's size XXXXXXXXXXLarge pants and spank their fat little butts until they're gangreen! They don't want our money anymore, they can't survive without it... they need to learn the cold hard facts of what REAL capitalism really is.
  5. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Agreed, that's clearly been built up into this ridiculous myth.

    Man, if we could go back in time to the 1940s and tell the Warner Brothers stars one of them was going to be President someday...They'd think we were crazy! Too bad it couldn't have been Bogart. Or Peter Lorre (of course he wasn't born here but still!).
  6. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    They don't; it's the Republicans who bash people who don't agree with them, and call them "Dumbocrat" and "Bleedin' Hearts", etc.
  7. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Both sides do... but people actually take Republicans seriously for various reasons.

    I don't get why he was so great.... He DIDN't end the Cold War... he helped perpetuate it with the Star Wars defense and threats against the USSR... the Berlin Wall (the one we LOVED so much after WW2 that we basically insisted on so that Germany would never get another Hitler) didn't come down until Bush Sr. was in office. He was the first Neo-Con... so I guess that's where the love for him originates...

    Reaganomics is basically giving rich people a lot of money, letting them do whatever they want, picking fights on other countries so they can spend ALL the money we have left on war machines (that no one profits from ever :rolleyes: ), and throwing the middle class under a train, towards the third rail. We've HAD Reaganomics since Reagan was in office. Clinton rose taxes (and we had the strongest dollar possibly ever), but Bush cut them back. Why does everyone say we need that again when we haven't even left it yet?

    Sigh... in the 1950's the rich had the tax burden, but that meant more consumers had more money to buy more things. That's IDEAL capitalism... people buying goods and services and companies and smaller businesses profiting from that and hiring more people to buy stuff. Now it's just give the rich ALL the money, no one can buy anything, companies lose money, people get fired, meaning less people buying things. How is that capitalism? Socialist countries do capitalism better than us.
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  8. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    They both do. It's one thing of many things they have in common but deny. ;)
  9. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    There's another group of people we have to start blaming over the Government...

    Investurds!

    The ones that reward big business when they merge into near monopolies, the ones that reward big business for slicing jobs and getting "leaner," the ones that laugh it up when CEO's keep getting bigger and bigger bonuses for doing nothing (or less than nothing as the case may be), the ones that forced oil prices up so they could get nice little short term gains, only to lead the rest of the market down when no one has the money to buy anything... and when oil falls to a reasonable price, it drags the market down with it.

    These people LOVE impulsive short term gain, but once the consequences of less competition, more job loss, and overpriced goods and services hit them, they panic lite chickens with their heads cut off and the market plunges. Not to mention they overreact to every single rumor... I swear a lot of the nastier Gordon Gecko types manipulate the system... but the real danger are these idiot kids using their dad's money or completely out of touch with investing old people (I blame those Invest-O-Trade infomercials) and thinking the whole thing is a Vegas Casino junket. Only if they lost money in Vegas, the world wouldn't be plunged into an economic tailspin! To say the least of when we FINALLY get things together, some blip on the radar of a country is still stuck in a recession, and the US economy starts to tank.

    I may not get the market 100%, but I know this. I hate how the world's economy is judged by this system. It's unstable, not to mention an unreliable guide if no jobs are ever created.

    Seriously, we've had talks of double dip recession for the past 2 years. We're probably going to have our 20th "double" dip and that only lasts barely a month. To say the least, taking money out of the market means money taken from companies, and of course, more companies firing people en masse to make up for whatever they think they deserved.

    Seriously... tax these guys RAW!
  10. newsmanfan

    newsmanfan Well-Known Member

    -----------------------------------------
    Holy cow...what have I wrought? hee, hee, hee...

    Reaganomics does NOT work: true. The neocons are still whining we should bring it back to benefit the corp's (corpse?) and the 1%: true. TeaPartiers are libertarians?

    "Hey Maw! Git mah shotgun! Them danged revenooers are back!"

    OH yeah. Which is why it absolutely baffles me that the rest of the Repubs (some of whom may actually have brains) are letting them run roughshod over the Congress ever since the last elections! David Brooks on the Newshour last night called them "rejectionists"...good term. They don't actually stand for anything useful, especially not to their presumed blue-collar constituency, and yet they got elected, and continue to make a big noise without offering up ANYTHING even vaguely resembling a workable solution. They're an Anger Party of the Ignorant, and I have zero respect for any of them or their allies, including Ms Palin. I really think McCain's first sign of encroaching senility was putting her on his ticket -- can we say guaranteed loss? (A conspiracy theorist might even wonder what deal Obama and McCain brokered! "Hey John, I really wanna win this...how's about you choose an absolute moron spouting absurdities about mavericks, so I can get the White House? I'll give you less money to run the state of AZ..." Oh, no, wait. That doesn't work either...)
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  11. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    I wasn't impressed by Palin but I was also very disapointed that Obama didn't have a female VP. So many other countries in this world have already have female leaders. What is stopping us? Both parties always end up seeming like good ol' boys clubs.
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  12. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I feel the reverse. McCain clearly chose Palin BECAUSE she was a woman, and ONLY because they wanted to steal votes from female Democrats who were ticked off Hillary didn't become the party's key nomination. If She was, McCain would have chose an African American running mate. Simple "enemy of my enemy is my friend" double dealing.

    They're doing what Boss Limbaugh told them to do, make Obama fail. They have been uncooperative, whiny, juvenile, and basically worthless contradictions. They are union busting scum that let Bush have his way with spending and wanted a patsy to blame all the things they would have done again on the last guy. They don't want to balance the budget... they want to kill anything that gives the dying middle class a helping hand, but keep all the very same pork and waste they keep whining about... not to mention all the corporate favors that DON'T create jobs at ALL!

    Long story short, someone NEEDS to raise taxes. You can't make budget by cutting everything under the sun (except subsidiaries and horse insemination), especially since the last guy blew through a surplus and brought us into excessive debt with his stupid war legacy all the while refusing to tax the oil and war toy industry that profited from them.

    Now people are asking the questions they SHOULD have asked about how are we going to pay for anything, but didn't because they were blinded by false patriotism and freedom fries. And Republicans wonder why people hate them.
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  13. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Of course it was. I just think Obama could have quashed the Palin stuff quicker, IMO, had he chosen a female VP of his own. It makes a heck of a lot morse sense for the progressive party to have a female VP candidate after all. Again I ask what is stopping us?
  14. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Nobody likes Hillary Clinton. Not even the Democrats. but she was picked to be secretary of state by him. So that's something.

    What people seem to forget is that Joe Biden and Hillary weren't exactly lovey dovey to Obama back in 2007. Joe criticized the heck out of him, Hillary wanted to get the nomination. I say he was a mensch for managing to give those guys jobs. I'm surprised he didn't give a position to McCain at some point. McCain ONLY picked a female VP nom (which he clearly got watching the puff piece on her on PBS) because that was a way to take angry woman votes. Again, had Hillary gotten the nod, McCain would've got some black guy to take the votes from Angry African Americans who would've felt betrayed if Obama didn't get the nomination.

    Obama picked Biden for one simple reason... if anyone remembers, he was getting a LOT of flack for not having a lot of experience. Experience = old guy. If he did pick Hillary, McCain would've picked someone even older than himself to get the angry at everyone younger than them old guy vote. Simple little game.

    Historically speaking, it's white guy, black guy, woman, younger generation. That's the EXACT order of who got to vote. It makes sense politically that it follows the same format.

    I do get what you're saying. Everybody's bad, but you might as well break a barrier at least.

    I think SNL summed up women in politics with the infamous Hillary Clinton/Sarah Palin skit. I can say no more than that.
  15. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Though we still haven't had a Jewish President. And the one time we had a Catholic President, he had to prove he wouldn't be "too" Catholic. Oh yeah, we're a tolerant country...
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  16. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Considering half the crap Obama got (the "go back to Kenya" stuff) is it any wonder why we'll probably never see anything besides white protestant males?

    No one wants to just grab people on the issues... they make personal attacks, passive-aggressively if they don't get who they want. If we have a woman president, do you think we'd have that much maturity.

    No greater barrier would be broken if we had a Hispanic lesbian Jewish president... but there's be enough "Git back in dat Kitchen" stuff ALONE (I'm not going into any of the other stuff) would tear a great rift.

    personally, I don't care... most likely no matter what gender, religion, or whatever, they'll probably suck anyway.

    I've noticed something...most people who claim to be tolerant aren't completely tolerant, and the intolerant people usually call the "tolerant" people out for being intolerant, basically saying "Only WE have the right to be intolerant, and you're bigoted if you don't accept our intolerance!" The only way to be completely tolerant is to tolerate intolerance... meaning you have to respect the intolerance of others. Who wants to respect being hated for something?
  17. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Oh yeah I know, it was embarrassing that those rumors lasted so long.

    Which I think just proves how few politicans truly are competent enough to lead.
    LOL, yeah seriously let's not forget, no matter what they'd still be politicans. ;)

    True, which has its good points and bad points. Sometimes we have to tolerate certain view points because we wouldn't want them to censor us in turn. So as weird as it seems, by tolerating them, we're protecting ourselves.

    On the other hand, I don't like it when there's clearly oppression going on in the world and people take the attitude, "Oh but we must tolerate them." Um no, I will not tolerate oppressors.
  18. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Not even so much the rumors. There was A LOT of racist crap floating around. My "favorite" was the poor photo manipulation that made him look like a 1920's blackface stereotype (complete with melon) with the caption "Lordy, I sho love campaignin'!" that was all over facebook. Plus there were certain politicians singing Obama the magic N word.... and they tried so hard to cover that one up.

    If Hillary got anywhere, we'd get nothing but "Git back in Mah Kitchen an' make me some babies" comments. Jewish politician... well, we'd either get Zionist comments or something much darker. I will say about a very small percentage/fraction of this is pure racism... the rest of it is passive agressive "I didn't want HIM/HER!" type comments.

    Not just the politicians (they at least get to mangle the other side's issues to sound sinister), but a lot of the angriest voters who voted for the other guy. That's why I'm sure so many lefties were hating on Christians at the time... Bush was one. But then, you'd have to hate on ALL the presidents. They ALL were. Even the one that was a different kind of Christian was Christian.

    LOL, yeah seriously let's not forget, no matter what they'd still be politicans. ;)

    I respect what I can. Every culture, even our own has an eye roll in there. I do NOT tolerate oppression of any kind either. I don't tolerate violence towards ANYone... I don't tolerate any culture of any kind that forces people to grow up to be murderers or thugs... and I certainly have no respect or want to listen to anyone who rationalizes any nasty behavior like that by finding excuses and loopholes in religious texts. I don't hate certain religions in general (Doomsday Cults are exceptions to the rule)... I hate things about them (or lack thereof) being used to rationalize oppression.
  19. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    People in general are just very good at rationalization. Religious use texts to justify violence. The Communists used ideology to do the same.
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  20. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Back to the subject...

    SERIOUSLY!

    The Peepee pants party WANTS us to default. How stupid IS this country? They want a worse economy because they don't want the wealthy that exploit them in every way possible to pay anything?

    Again, message to the US THEY AREN'T HIRING! THEY'RE TAKING YOUR JOBS OVERSEAS AND STEALING MONEY FROM THE TILL TO DO IT! Give THEM the bill for the wars, they didn't send any of their fatso spoiled kids over there.

    But hey, what do you expect from a bunch of people who are enamored with a politician that says the government is taking away imaginary rights, who signed a pledge to limit marriage... a same pledge that says African American babies were better raised when they were slaves.

    GAWD... I'm freaking gonna learn French or something so I can leave this dump. The right has officially started the dangerous swing to the super far right.


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