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Deja vu all over again

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by newsmanfan, Jul 6, 2011.

  1. newsmanfan

    newsmanfan Well-Known Member

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    They mean "profit creators". And Boehner's simpering where the Teabaggers are concerned is positively sickening. It's like letting the most spoiled child ruin the entire family Thanksgiving by allowing it to run screaming through the dining room stealing the turkey legs...and then insisting the brat is acting responsibly...

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  2. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Boehner and Cantor are just awful awful people. Even if you don't like the President, he's at LEAST trying to be the adult in the situation. The Republican Party has acted like freaking Eric Cartman since he got into office, but now it's just a bunch of fat rich spoiled brats whining that they aren't the center of attention. Hey, isn't Cantor like a hedge fund manager, like that guy we had to throw in jail?

    Maybe if the right throws the word "demagog" around a million more times everyone will break down and give them exactly what they want, which is squeezing the life out of the poor so the rich..errr... "job creating Mother Teressas" can stay overfed and have even more money to pass out as bonuses to the drooling morons that run the companies into the ground. Doesn't matter, because our credit rating's going to be screwed even if something passes.

    Really... this is what the Teaparty gave us. People who suckle to social security, welfare, Medicare and all that who want it to stop after them, because they're special... yet have no problem with government supported horse insemination and corporate welfare to pay big business for the privilege of moving overseas and going bankrupt while a CEO gets a record profit the likes no one has ever seen. Oh well... commie this and commie that, but we can't get rid of corporate socialism.

    I at least support the plan of COMPROMISE! I mean, really, that's become a dirty disgusting concept that BOTH sides have to suffer.
  3. newsmanfan

    newsmanfan Well-Known Member

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    I agree spending cuts will have to be made...but yelling NO TAXES, NO TAXES -- even on the wealthiest and the corporate hogs -- is insanely stupid. What REALLY irks me is that working-class people somehow SUPPORT this outrage.

    Oh yeah...education will be cut even further as state after state lays off teachers...of course. THAT'S how they plan to stay in power. The influence of sheer ignorance!
    It ALMOST makes me want to switch to teaching...but I'd be canned within days for berating the politicians. Hah.
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  4. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    People are starting to wise up. The Republicans have an even lower approval rating than the president that they worked so hard to give a low approval rating too. And a thick majority of Americans support budget cuts AND Tax hikes. The only people who are still loving the Republican plan are the very same Teahaws that put them in office.... the very same Teabrains that WANT the nation to default and cause chaos and misery and the destruction of Western civilization because they are delluded enough to think that the government will learn a lesson and/or that things will be back in the wonderful pre Thomas Jefferson days (you know, slavery, women being objects... all that wonderful stuff).

    As if absolute financial holocaust will make the government learn a lesson... The banking system crashed twice in 30 years, NO ONE regulated anything... if anything each Administration (EVEN Clinton) deregulated it. We DIDN'T learn the lessons of Enron, we keep going back into Middle Eastern wars... heck, wars period even though nothing good has come out of war since 1946. The government will continue to screw up, the wealthy fat pigs will continue to screw up and ask for money from the government so they can pay each other off. But it will take DECADES to get us back to mild recession from world wide economic collapse.

    I love how Boehner keeps whining that the president is only thinking about the next election, when he and his dittohead party are doing nothing but pandering to an extremist group that's an extreme minority that listened to enough Glenn Beck to get them elected.
  5. newsmanfan

    newsmanfan Well-Known Member

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    Hah! Don't get me started on the Beckbrains...

    I believe the US's days as a world power are starting to decline. Being able to go to war doesn't make us strong; having nukes doesn't make us strong. We are falling behind in commerce precisely BECAUSE the rich pigs keep being pandered to by Congress. Our schools are failing against global standards (at least among other first and second-world nations) because the Repubs haven't made educating kids responsibly, effectively, and thoroughly a priority. And a credit rating downgrade? Forseeable, preventable, and utterly unstoppable at this late date!

    I noted last night that Dan Simmons, horror and sci-fi author, has a new novel out, set 20 years from now in which the US is a minor player on the global stage and daily life is so miserable for most Americans that many turn to a drug which lets them re-experience past glories as a means of avoiding the present. Hey...it could happen...

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  6. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    [quote="newsmanfan, post: 826893]I noted last night that Dan Simmons, horror and sci-fi author, has a new novel out, set 20 years from now in which the US is a minor player on the global stage and daily life is so miserable for most Americans that many turn to a drug which lets them re-experience past glories as a means of avoiding the present. Hey...it could happen...[/quote]

    There is a possibility that will happen at some point down the line. All the major world empires eventually fell. It's naive to think we never will. Of course many of those countries are still around and managed to survive in another form. Sometimes a lose of power does serve to put things in perspective, heh.
  7. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Beck is a dangerous, dangerous insane lunatic. He's an extremist Mormon nationalist, and a Libertarian crack pit known for lying and not being able to keep his own crackpot theories straight. I especially like his childish vendetta against some leftwing Jewish advocate, making up stories about how he helped out Hitler in the Holocaust because he doesn't agree with his insane logic. He reminds me of the worst kids in school that bully everyone minding their own business and when someone steps on his foot (this happened to me) he cries his eyes out with crocodile tears to get sympathy he doesn't deserve. Now, I'm no fan of Limbaugh, O'Reilly, or scary skeleton woman Ann Coulter, but at least they have an audience of smug Neo-Cons listening to them and they're welcome to their opinions, but Beck is dangerous. And even FOX fired him. Fox!

    Anyway, we're going to be a third world country... we're slowly going down that road and the best the left has done is to slow it down a little more, the right speeding it up. The rich had enough of a free ride the past 30 years, it's time for them to pay the dang piper so they can start getting profits the old fashion way... earning them from US being able to buy stuff and hiring us to basically give them part of the pay check they give us.

    Nope... it's all outsource, raise prices, outsource, raise prices. That caused the 2008 crash and gave us an artificially enlarged top heavy economy. Now the economy is better than it's ever been, and the only reason they say it's a recession is that a Dem is in charge. The rich AREN'T creating jobs, they spend a fortune bribing the government to keep the minimum wage low, and then they get record breaking CEO wages and bonuses for basically doing bad jobs.

    That said, the whole world will be effected by this crap, all I'm asking is why aren't these countries considering forgiving our debt? it will help us ALL out in the long run.
  8. newsmanfan

    newsmanfan Well-Known Member

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    Why would anyone forgive us our debts? YOU know anyone that philanthropic?

    A friend of mine in conversation last night brought up a good point about one of the major Teabagger issues: immigration, legal and otherwise. Quoth she: "They're angry at immigrants coming here to supposedly take jobs away from American workers...but it's okay to allow corporations to outsource to third-world nations so foreigners too far away to consider immigrating can...take our jobs. Huh?"

    I propose a new law: any company wishing to be considered a US-based company, with any tax advantages that confers (and I think those ought to be slashed some, too) ought to have 75% of its physical plants AND its workers IN the US...actually WITHIN national borders. Or else they'll be considered a foreign company, and be taxed HIGHER and subject to international tariffs! THAT would stop the outsourcing, profit-scarfing, idiotically self-interested pigs.

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  9. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Well, our screw ups have screwed every single other country on the planet. Japan's economy (pre-Earthquake) was miserable because (get this) their money was too strong. As someone who likes buying Japanese snack foods and little goofy anime toys, trust me... the things cost a bleeding fortune over here. We get like less than 80 yen to the dollar.

    China wouldn't be the fool's paradise it is if we didn't give them jobs and look the other way when they get all the oil from the countries we supposedly invade. if it wasn't for us, their young adults would be questioning what happened in Tienanmen Square and (worse) questioned all the accomplishments of Mao that he really didn't do, instead of chowing down at McD's and listening to government censored Justin Bieber music on their bootleg iPods.

    Not to mention we always have to be the dang big brother of the world every time something happens. Face it, the other countries kinda OWE us one. But realistically, they're not going to forgive the debt, or help us out... no. They're going to let what happens happen out of schadenfreude for what happened in the last decade (remember when people were saying, "DAhhhhh, we don't care what other countries think of us... deeeerrrp!"), and then blame us for any problems they have.

    That said, here's something... even McCain hates the Teabag America baseball George Washington Freedom Patriot Party, and even he's blaming them for Boehner's idiotic pandering and movement further and further right. I don't have the quote, but he apparently called them Tea Party hobbits that want the country to fail so everyone will blame the president. Really, that speaks volumes. Thanks for voting the "bums" out, you guys. We got the worst bums back in.
  10. newsmanfan

    newsmanfan Well-Known Member

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    Eh, well, McCain has flipflopped on so many issues (FAR more than Kerry was ever accused of, even) that I no longer listen to a word out of his mouth. Plus, what has he done for AZ lately? You remember them...the state he supposedly represents...

    I don't know that anyone OWES us, but sheesh, cooperating with the saner members of government here instead of worshipping at the altar of the Virtual Dollar Almighty would serve everyone better, globally. I wish, I wish, I wish there was an in-the-womb screening process for "greedy idiot" which would prevent more of the little monsters from even being born...unfortunately I think that attitude is more nurture than nature! Greed is universal. Go and watch the revelation scene in the amazingly, darkly funny film "Network" when the Corporate Head lays down the Holy Writ of the Sponsor for the already-schizo anchorman. Nothing's changed. Until a vast majority of people EVERYWHERE stand up for logical, careful, and yes, socialized reform of the entire global economy, nothing will change for the better.

    Honestly, some days I think elevating the Brain (of "Pinky & the Brain") to World Leader would make more sense than the current process of gouge-and-enrich...
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  11. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member


    Much as I dislike McCain (he would have been a much better president than Bush, though. I know a lot of even left people who were hoping he got the nod back in 2000), sometimes he comes out and does something admirable. In the 2004 election, he was the ONLY Republican to speak out against the "tarnish Kerry's Vietnam war record" ads, even in the 2008 election when nasty rumors about Obama started to surface he at least debunked the "I don't trust him, he's a Muslin" crap.

    But I'll let him speak for himself...

    WHAT the?!?! He's actually DEFENDING the Democrats, it seems. And he IS trying to bring it to the governments attention that slim minority of so called Americans want total economic chaos to happen because it will fulfill some Loonytunian prophecy.

    And hey! He's mocking li'l Miss "I'm not a witch!" and the other "grab yer gold, an' yer guns! Small Gov'ment! YEEEHAWW!" political candidates.

    I'd take McCain's actual voice of reason over Boehner's pandering to Fool's Gold policies anyday.
  12. newsmanfan

    newsmanfan Well-Known Member

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    Hm, does this mean he's actually returned to speaking his mind as opposed to what his spin doctors WANTED him to say? May be hope for him as a moderate yet. I'm not holding my breath, though.
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  13. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    He was a moderate... then he lost the 00 primary. Come time for the 08 election, he basically bucked the Rep trend, pandered to the same religious groups he once panned, and I swear he took Palin as a running mate because he was told to. Basically anything to win, right? His daughter speaks more sense than most conservative talking heads. Her and Ben Stein I quite like.

    But then again, I like Ben as an actor anyway... the Psychiatrist from The Mask (which he continued into the cartoon), The Pixies in Fairly Oddparents, Frances Pumphandle ("But everyone calls me Pip") from Animaniacs, even the sad lonely man science left Bunsen Honeydew in Muppets Tonight. Heck, I don't mind some of the conservative actors either.

    I can't really complain about the general wanting of fiscal responsibility, but the actual republican party ONLY cares about fiscal responsibility when someone else is in charge. I'm all for cuts, but ONLY if we can come up with revenues. not as a lefty, not as someone who hates how out of control the wealthy has become... someone who's not an economist... but SOMEONE has to be the parent. Someone has to be the bad guy.... if you have a kid that's massively overweight SOMEONE has to slowly ween him off of junk food or he'll get catastrophic health problems.
  14. newsmanfan

    newsmanfan Well-Known Member

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    Funnily enough, I think the government-as-an-obese-child argument has been put forth by some of the more libertarian types!

    But yes. The whole point with the budget, to me, is that certain groups aren't chipping in...some are even being pandered to (big oil, big banks, big communications), and yet they whine about anything dipping into their profits/trustfunds/offshore accounts. Tax 'em! Yes, undoubtedly cuts will have to be made and some will suffer. That's what majority rule is all about. Not everyone gets a break. But at LEAST we could insist, as a nation, that the richest folk and major corps pay their FAIR share! Heck, Canadians are used to high taxes in the highest income brackets, as are Brits and other Europeans...don't know about Japan, but it sure feels like we're the only "first-world" nation which allows the rich to scramble over the trough and push away the skinny starving folk in their hurry to scarf up all the food first!

    Any suggestions on how to reach the folk who actually think the Teabaggers are on their side who make LESS than $250K a year??
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  15. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    "Don't forget that most men with nothing would rather protect the possibility of being rich...then face the reality of being poor."
  16. newsmanfan

    newsmanfan Well-Known Member

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    Found out this weekend that a bill failed in the House which would have required Congress to NOT cut the education budget before cutting tax breaks to Big Oil.

    Can the Repubs be any MORE blatant about WHOM they actually represent??

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  17. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    The Reps did what they were elected to do. They scammed the Tea Party (which I couldn't stress more is a libertarian movement that conservatives fell into) into voting for the same people who were in charge the last decade. You know, the one where things went real well. All because of scary rumors about Health Care reform. I tell you, the VERY first thing all Soviet socialist companies did was force their health care providers to accept clients with prior conditions! After that, dominoes fell.

    Suffice to say, we are having the same downfall as the USSR... we're spending a FORTUNE that we don't have in defense. And the very same army generals that went into these places without an exit strategy are basically telling us to stay there even longer. I thought we were supposed to start pulling out troops from Iraq this year. SURELY that would've saved us several billion right there. So yeah, the big socialist dictator is too wimpy to give us the very same change that got him elected into office. Some of it is his fault, so let's get that straight... but he took the "You're not going to reach across the aisle" so seriously ALL he does is reach across the aisle. Reach out to your dang old party!

    The worst part is, our supposed liberal Democrat president is a moderate Republican... and the republicans don't think he's far right enough. The massive historic (and not in a good way) cuts to anything and everything that isn't a corporate hand out wasn't cutting enough. it barely passed if it even passed at all.

    Memo to the Dems and the President... next time the Right pulls this crap, take the FIRST offer they have. Chances are, that's going to be the liberal compromise that doesn't pass.

    I just wish the American public got the message that the Tea Party got everything in the world it wanted, and it's still acting like a childish brat at someone else's birthday party.
  18. newsmanfan

    newsmanfan Well-Known Member

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    I doubt the public grasps anything beyond where its next fix of Cheetos comes from and the release date for KillEmAllFPSPartEighteen for XBOX.

    sigh... Though I disagree with you about Obama being Republican, as far as war goes he certainly hasn't earned that Nobel yet. Honestly Afghanistan/Iraq is another Vietnam. The majority of the populace doesn't even want us there. How about LIBYA instead, if we HAVE to be involved in a foreign war? How about SOMALIA where millions are dying because the resident warlords won't allow peacekeepers in to distribute food or water? Now THOSE are worthy causes I feel we should be more involved in...not a dragged-out, unwinnable war of fanaticism where we're NEVER going to get the "hearts & minds" on the side of peace. Ever. Yes we SHOULD pull out completely there...we can't win, and the locals are beginning to hate us. Well, maybe "beginning" is a generous understatement!
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  19. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Uh... we actually ARE in those places. Though, to Obama's credit he was badgered for almost a month, and refused to do it when everyone was telling him to go in (John Kerry, John McCain, certain Republicans, then finally NATO). I hate the fact we're in, but at least we're the unlockable assist character in that one, and not completely as involved as we would be if McCain was president. And the Right's trying to get on his case for going into Libya. They just want him to look like an idiot over ANYTHING!

    Obama got a Nobel prize for a simple reason... he wasn't Bush. Again, everyone but me seems to forget what the heck happened those miserable 8 years. The other countries HATED us. There's a picture from after the 2004 election where a bunch of people are standing out side with a message to the world, "Sorry! We tried!" US people had to pretend to be Canadian when going overseas. We were in a hot slimy mess. If nothing else, the other countries like Obama better than our own people. Maybe it's the fact that we traded "You're either with us or against us" for "You're either with us or... well, we'll see your point and agree with you if you don't hurt us." Of course, that with us or against us crap got stuff done.

    As far as Iraqistan goes, it's every bit his Vietnam as it would have been Gerald Ford's if Nixon didn't pull the US out of Vietnam after Watergate. But let's face it, NO ONE's gonna get us out of there for multiple reasons. The least of which, we keep listening to the genius military advisers that are so smart that they DIDN'T come up with a bleeding exit strategy in the first place. And unlike Vietnam, we can't just easily pull out of these places either... these countries are in the hands of Cheif Wiggum-esque, out of shape loser Iraqis and Afghanis that WANT us to do their job for them. We effectively created terrorists by going into these countries (we never learn our lesson), and it's a muddle of wasted lives, wasted billions, and wasted time if anyone thinks killing half their people will make anyone see the light. I want us to run out of these countries fast and furious like pulling off a bandaid, and to NEVER go into these wackadoodoo countries in the middle east ever again. But NO ONE, not left or right is going to break the US's spell of getting involved in oil rich crazy towns.
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  20. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Talk about freaking Deja Vu....

    All this year Speculators and investards were trying to lie the price of oil up like crazy, which they DID in 2008, and guess what happened today?

    The market crashed because of slow growth...

    DUUUUHHhhhhhhhhhh!

    Hey geniuses... if you pull money OUT of the market, THINGS ARE GOING TO SLOW DOWN OR REVERSE! I swear, these invertards and hedge fund managers and Gordon Gecko wannabes are destroying America from the inside out worse than any terrorist could hope for. I've had it with these completely legal criminals ruining capitalism, keeping all of us poor and unhappy and caring only about their short term gains that kill us all in the long run.

    Welcome to the new normal... Well, at least we can take stock in the fact that the Republicans are wrong about something else again... Obama is in NO way a socialist. if he was, he'd DO SOMETHING about these people. There is no reason why the economic fate of the nation has to rest on people who are too stupid or too greedy or both to care what they're doing. Shame isn't even the word.


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