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Disney Channel Preps for Muppet "Mini Movies"

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by mrsieve, Jun 24, 2007.

  1. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    That's not true. :attitude:

    Jim Henson's work on Sesame Street was aimed to educate children without the benefit of pre-school. The Fraggle Rock project was to inspire understanding in children so that future generations would seek out peaceful solutions to problems. :excited:

    For that, Jim Henson was labeled a children's performer - something he kept trying to break out of. The roots of Jim Henson are actually in graphic design, short film, advertising with puppetry and his Sam & Friends program aimed at an older audience. Sesame Street came later.

    Jim geared the bulk of his work for a general audience that you are mistaking for a kid's demographic. So, no - his work was not usually aimed at children. I think most Muppet fans understand that. :zany:
  2. TheJimHensonHour

    TheJimHensonHour Well-Known Member

    Exactly and you'd be suprised how many muppet fans don't understand.:smirk:
  3. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    To be fair, Jim Henson did make all of those kiddie vids with Fozzie, Rowlf and Kermit in the late 80s. I was upset how he caved and did that. It helps to feed the confusion. That's what Sesame and Muppet Babies are for.

    I like my Muppet Show characters edgy (without going too far, of course), but some fans would like to seal them in a time capsule to keep them as they are. They need to grow (some) to be relevant. :zany:
  4. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I will always be a conspiracy theorist that he was trying to make the Muppet Show characters more kid friendly in the 80's. That's where the videos and MB came in. Really disliked Your as Funny as Fozzie Bear (as he was only in one small segment), but I loved seeing Picklepuss and Pops in Wow you're a cartoonist (though I really wish they called it, Wow! You can draw just like us. Or Wow... you're picking one heck of a bad career choice!). But that's besides the point.

    Disney, to me, will always be a money making opperation. But what does a smart money making opperation do? Why, the cater to as many markets as possible. And I will state Disney does a wonderful job at doing just that. Take something like Pirates of the Carribean. That has several markets. Action film fans, 7-10 year old boys, 7-12 year old girls, and 12+ female Johnny Depp fans who crush on him (like my sister).

    And then you get into what they're doing wrong. HSM and Hannah Montana only caters to 9-12 year old girls, and their soccermoms that want to have an attempt to be cool. And then you get into the other demographic, preschoolers with pathetic preschooler shows like MMCH and that Tool Box guy who's a paper thin knockoff of Bob the Builder. Now, I will say, MMCH at least has the main characters in a merchandising spotlight, and I was able to find dollar store figures of Goofy and Donald. But other than that, they care mostly about those 2 demographics. Little kids and tween girls.

    Now, there are things I'm fearcely glad that Disney had done. Releasing most of the Disney Afternoon to DVD (though a lot of the sets will be incomplete series, it looks like), releasing the Tick which they only got by aquisition (dispite the fact they want to have incomplete 12 episode sets, due to a Marvel Hiccup, which I'll go onto later), and making sure that Muppet Show season 2 was uncut after fans complained. But then there are things I don't like. A lot of their classic stuff stays in the Ghoul guarded vault, it takes them forever to recognise classic characters at all (Where's the Ludwig VonDrake, Peg leg Pete and Gyro Gearloose Merchandise?), and then the fact they still own the Saban produced Marvel series (which lead them to believe Marvel would sue them again if they show the Tick episodes that parody their characters). amongst other things.

    Now, I really want them to find a good market for the muppets, try it out, and fail on the level of we got them out there, and the ideas weren;t great, but we got them out there. Seems like when no body liked Muppet Wizard of Oz, they shoved them away until they could think of something else to do, and were too afraid to think of what they could do.
  5. TheJimHensonHour

    TheJimHensonHour Well-Known Member

    I loath those vidoes lol my father got them for me as a gift because he knew I was a muppet fan...the way they talk in them is just ugh worse than Elmo allot of the time.
    Nope it doesn't and lord I'd hope they'd not follow the trendy Emo or hip hop culture everything else has pretty much sunk to the level of...I wish something else would come along already or at least that things would be on the level that entire hip hop culture has taken over everything and these days it's getting on my last nerve.
  6. muppetperson

    muppetperson Well-Known Member

    I think the muppets have a childrens demographic because most Adults know that they have been around for years and it doesnt excite them anymore, whereas kids are young and it is all new to them.plus there is always new kids coming into the world, so you have an on going market.Look how long Sesame street is going compared to a five year run of The Muppet show.
  7. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I get what you're saying about children being newly introduced to the Muppets - it's that way with all entertainment icons. That's why so much of film and television is targeted at a younger palette. :smirk:

    However, Sesame Street is a differently geared and formatted show. The Muppet Show was an evening variety program heavily concentrated on guests and production numbers. Not to mention Jim ended the program at its peak! I see it as inaccurate, but common, to compare the programs in that way simply because they contain Jim Henson created puppet characters. Different genres. :o

    I believe one of the reasons (aside from wanting to do other things) that Jim yanked the Muppet Show out of production was that it was hard to keep a show like that fresh and current. Specials continued to trickle out. This helped keep the material from getting watered down. :zany:
  8. Erine81981

    Erine81981 Well-Known Member

    I argee with Fboy. Why because i don't want to see the Muppets go from a family show to a kiddy show. So let the muppets be a little edgy but not over the edge. I know that everyone once them to be just like they were back when Jim was alive but i would love to see something differnt. I have a freind who's stepdad grew up watching the "Muppet Show" and from then on love all of the Muppets films and speicals but now he can't stand Steve Whitmire because it's not the same Kermit. He thinks they should have buired Kermit with Jim and let some other Muppet take over....like his nephew Robin.

    I hate to hear things like that because i grew up with Jim's Kermit and then when i heard that he passed away i thought what is going to happen to Kermit. Will he be able to talk again or what? So when i finally got to hear Kermit once again i couldn't believe my ears. I was so thrilled that i couldn't keep from bouncing off the walls. So whatever Disney has in store for the Muppets i'll watch it no matter what. I'm going stand by my Muppet!
  9. theprawncracker

    theprawncracker Well-Known Member

    Agreed and supported on all points Kyle. I'm with the Muppets till the end.
  10. Erine81981

    Erine81981 Well-Known Member

    Thanks guys. I can always count on older fans and anyone who don't care what happens to the muppets as long as they keep them alive.
  11. muppetperson

    muppetperson Well-Known Member

    Certainly, but there are a lot of simularities between Sesame Street and The Muppet Show.Indeed they both have puppets in them, but they also have skits, songs and dances, human interaction.The differences are how they are set(one on the street and the other in a theatre) and one is educational and therefore repedative, but they are both to entertain.The muppet Show could of gone on as there are endless guest stars, but again I think the reason it ended was because the novelty wore off, like most shows, where the average run seems to be around 5 years, like ALF.
  12. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    :attitude: Again, that is technically untrue. The Muppet Show's closing caused a bit of a stir in the entertainment community because it ended at the height of its popularity. Maybe it is perceived differently outside of the US and UK, but that's really what happened. I also see that Sesame and Muppet Show as remarkably different formats. I have to completely disagree with your last statement. And as a Muppet fan, to hear the words Muppets and novelty in the same sentence makes me cringe. :eek:
  13. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    What, you mean millions of people didnt see From the Balcony,
    Del's Comedy Binge, or TBS.com presents Puppet Up online?
  14. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Its amazing, there is a chokehold on children's entertaining solely focused on
    ADHD cheap throwaway animated shows(Cartoon Network, Nick, Disney tv)
    but the bulk seems to be the High School Musical/Hannah Montanna tween girl crowd.

    Yet, the very things I grew up with in the early to mid 80's(yeah Im old, ha)
    like the Transformers, GI Joe, Star Wars, and even later: Ninja Turtles
    is pretty much the bulk of what you see in the toy aisles(next to Naruto, Marvel movie films, and Pro Wrasslin')

    In other words, not much has been created in some time that is an original concept with uniqueness thats marketed for kids.
  15. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    I would call some of the rarely seen Land of Gorch Muppet skits pretty close to "going to far";) I absolutely loved the 80's Muppet period, it was a magical time and I liked everything that came out Muppet wise from then. Jim Henson Hour being my favorite, but as well Muppet Family Christmas, Muppet Babies, Fraggle Rock, Sesame Street specials, etc.

    Clearly the backbone of the Muppets and Jim Henson legacy is pretty avant garde art installations, short films, whacked out tv commercials, existential concepts, etc; but I believe Jim's ultimate vision was to have a dualistic
    layer of promoting peace and laughter, with entertainment. I think this can perfectly be mixed with children's entertainment, such as Fraggle Rock.

    The problem with Fraggle Rock, is that hardly anyone saw it on America since it was on HBO. That was a major blunder by JHC, as it shoulda been on CBS or PBS. The children it was partially meant for never got a chance to see it.

    And now we see how there is "disclaimers" on Old School Sesame merely because the underlying social subtexts implied or alluded to are "not fitting" with the kids of today. That's how far we've regressed.
  16. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    That's funny, because I could swear the Muppets have since 2000 been almost exclusively branded at the 20-40 year old crowd for nostalgic reasons.
  17. muppetperson

    muppetperson Well-Known Member

    Certainly that market is there, with Muppetfest and the retro products, but not exclusively, and if you look at most of the products, it is children's toys.(and i state most, but not all).
  18. muppetperson

    muppetperson Well-Known Member

    You dont like that "novelty" word ! The muppets are novel, that is a different look at something.I dont know why it is making you cringe, but lets agree to disagree.
    I guess you start knowing something is wrong when the Muppet Show gets a midnight timeslot.
    Plus the original TV station drops it and another picks it up (in Australia).
  19. TheJimHensonHour

    TheJimHensonHour Well-Known Member

    I doubt it was in the millions range...I watched it all but thats because I went looking.
  20. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Forgive my sarcastic tone, it's just bizarre JHC or Disney with Henson Alternative, Muppets, etc dont seem to know about the viral appeal of youtube and myspace video. This stuff would easily be front page of either sites if they put em on there as well

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