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Elmo Muppeteer Kevin Clash resigns from Sesame Street

Discussion in 'Sesame Street' started by brkndwnbus, Nov 20, 2012.

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  1. BeinGreen75

    BeinGreen75 New Member

    This is just so sad. My teenage daughters grew up loving Elmo, one called him 'Elbo' when she was one; it was adorable how much they loved him! And now my twin boys are 22 months old and they won't be able to grow up with him the same as my daughters did. They're already in love with Elmo and they know him so well. He's their friend! He's an icon. Kevin is an icon. Sesame Street just won't be the same anymore. I cried when we lost Jim Henson and now I'm crying again. Muppets are who we grow up with.
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  2. MrBloogarFoobly

    MrBloogarFoobly Well-Known Member

    To those saying they will replace Elmo, yes, that's probably true. But I doubt we'll be seeing Elmo for quite some time. The stigma attached to him is too negative, thanks to TMZ and other sensationalist news sources.

    Like someone else mentioned, if Clash was a rapper, he would still be working. But because he's a children's entertainer, and a man who promotes good morals through his characters (regardless of what he does with his spare time), he is being dragged through the mud.

    The world has no moral compass, and entertainment is in the gutter. Are we really going to crucify a furry red monster and his owner when MTV and VH1 sell smut, when news stations have devolved into mudrackers, and when we make celebrities out of third-rate hacks?
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  3. Muppetboy09

    Muppetboy09 Well-Known Member

    May Kevin stay in all of our thoughts through this hard time. :laugh:
  4. Squigiman

    Squigiman Active Member

    Yes, I think that's a fair point. I was just about to chime in on this terrible news,ust because of how some of the discussion was going off-the-rails. Let's leave it to Kevin's case, what he's meant to us, hoping he'll be vindicated and be able to move on, etc., or even other viewpoints that are RELATED TO KEVIN RESIGNING, SPECIFICALLY, as that's the topic. Going into some statistics read from this or that source about sexual deviancy isn't especially important, even if it is related to the cause of this unfortunate occurrence. Let's just try to stick together, as fans, and hope for the best.

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  5. Lola p

    Lola p Well-Known Member

    Yes... I agree. Sorry guys.
  6. aaronmojo

    aaronmojo Member

    I know this is a Muppet forum but I think you guys are worrying way too much about Elmo and Kevin Clash's career, and less about his (apparent) pattern of befriending teenagers and (apparently) entering sexual relationships with them once they're adults. (Assuming there is at least some truth to these allegations, and based on Kevin's statements, there appears to be).

    I'm a children's book illustrator and a puppeteer and I also (this is shocking) have had sexual intercourse. But I knew, even before I was married (which I am now) that I couldn't do some things that, technically, are legal - that doesn't make them a good idea, or, even morally right. I could not hit on 18 year old girls in college classes that I was speaking to as a guest lecturer, for example.

    Kevin Clash's life story was incredibly moving and inspirational. Being in his position, with the respect and attention he garnered, he had a responsibility to himself and his employers to exercise better judgment, and he does not appear to have done so. And I don't say this lightly - after the first accuser recanted, I thought the whole thing was a setup from the start. But a second accuser? And Kevin Clash admitting that "something" went on with the first guy, consenting adults or not?

    It's just weird. The whole thing is weird. I'm sad about it, and I'm disappointed in Kevin's conduct, as a role model to puppeteers and children. It's possible to do good work on the one hand while pursuing, well, let's call it "self destructive" behavior on the other hand (look at Jimmy Savile for example). They'll replace Elmo and Sesame Street will go on, but for me, the most disappointing part is that now his whole inspirational story is tainted.
  7. MrBloogarFoobly

    MrBloogarFoobly Well-Known Member

    ^I actually don't think they will replace Elmo, at least not immediately. There's too much negative press, and too many parents who can't see that the character is not the man. We probably won't see Elmo for quite a while.
  8. Phillip

    Phillip Administrator Staff Member

    Let's please keep this discussion focused on your feelings and opinions of Kevin Clash leaving Sesame Street. Feel free to also discuss what this may mean for Sesame Street's future.

    There are plenty of other places on the web to discuss the other issues.
  9. Muppetboy09

    Muppetboy09 Well-Known Member

    Thanks Phillip!
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  10. Oscarfan

    Oscarfan Well-Known Member

    They already started taping season 44; how much they got done, I don't know. The only things I'm assuming Elmo would appear in that would involve his recast is new ETM segments (if they haven't shot any already) and the celebrity word of the day bits, which they do in the Spring out in LA.
  11. muppetlover123

    muppetlover123 Well-Known Member

    maybe if elmo has to be replaced we wont be seeing alot of elmo street stories in season 44... which maybe will give other characters some street story time like grover big bird cookie maybe count and ernie and bert maybe i still feel really bad for kevin and i hope he is alright and same with the show i think they can make it to 50 i really hope so because they already have a record of longest running tv show and also they cast someone as a new mexican herritage character in august so hes going to have lots of screen time in season 44...
  12. aaronmojo

    aaronmojo Member

    Okay - here's my feelings and opinions on Kevin Clash leaving Sesame Street. He doesn't have an option at this point. I don't know if I'm sorry to see him go or not because I am not certain about the degree of truth to the allegations. I am sorry things took a turn in this direction, but I'm gonna reserve feeling any kind of pity for Kevin - or anger towards his accusers - until more information comes out.

    The whole situation reminds me of Jeff Smith of the Frugal Gourmet.
  13. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    The Founding Fathers owned slaves and Thomas Edison stole every single one of his "inventions." Does that make them any less influential historically? Just because of some alleged poor judgement, Kevin didn't automatically become worse than Hitler, no matter how you look at it. People do have dark little facets of their personality and personal lives we're not supposed to know about that we'd rather not know. Meanwhile, didn't Cher marry someone who was barely 18 at one point? For like a week or something?
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  14. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Okay, some of the entertainment news shows are covering the story this time, and I just the press conference given by the second accuser, a guy named Cecil (who I SWEAR I thought was a woman at first) claiming that Kevin did things like grobe him, and masturbate to him, among other things, and that they didn't actually engage in any kind of intercourse until years later.

    And you're right Drtooth. Likewise, didn't John Mellencamp get a teenage girl pregnant one time?
  15. aaronmojo

    aaronmojo Member

    Did you really just invoke Hitler?

    I'm not gonna debate your wrong assertions about the Founding Fathers and Thomas Edison. What I'll say is that Kevin Clash exercised poor judgment, and to angrily condemn his accusers and put Kevin on some kind of pedestal is 100% wrong. When someone in a position of power abuses that power to whatever ends - whether sexual or monetary or whatever - it taints everything else they do and causes anyone with any insight into human character to question their motivations for everything else they've accomplished in life.
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  16. BuddyBoy600alt

    BuddyBoy600alt Active Member

    I don't think we will see Elmo in Season 44. But I wonder what happened to Preston Rabbit (Steve Whitmire) and Ruby Monster (Camille Bonora), And also Shelly the Turtle (Marty P. Robinson)? I know Don Music does not appear anymore because of parents sending complaint emails to Children's Television Workshop about their kids hitting their heads at home. Well, It looks like Telly (the other red monster on Sesame Street) is going to be on Sesame Street longer than Elmo. But this is a catastrophe. Kevin Clash did other Sesame Street characters, Such as Hoots the Owl, Benny the Rabbit, The Eel (from The Sesame Street sketch: "Squeal of Fortune"), Announcer for "Miami Mice", Murphy Brownbag (Puppetry Only), The Singing Dentist lead singer, The Octopus (from "The Octopus Blues), and many others..... Outside Sesame Street he was Clifford, Baby Dinosaur, Leroy, and many others.....
  17. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Something tells me, if there is a grain of truth to the second accuser, most of that stuff he just said was exaggerated, and coached by his lawyer. If he waited 20 years and wants money, there's something wrong there no matter how true it could be.

    Celebrities do some crazy crap, but they only get in trouble when they're kid's entertainers or the news is slow.
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  18. ProboSowa

    ProboSowa Member

    Elmo's not going anywhere. There've been other puppeteers Kevin trained for the role.
  19. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    And to angrily condemn Kevin and put the accuser on a pedestal is... ? You know your second statement contradicts your first, right?

    Except A) He did not use his position of power for jack. This was all in private. And B) Every freaking celebrity should be tainted by that logic. The voice of Buzz Lightyear did coke at some point... before he was the voice of Buzz Lightyear. I'm not saying what Kevin did was okay by any means, but let's not paint him as some depraved sexual monster and let it overshadow everything else he's done. Otherwise, we're no better than the Shister lawyers and the rabid tabloid media. Sure, he did dumb things, he did great things to. Let's not take that away from him.

    For further reading: Yeah...
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  20. inturnaround

    inturnaround Member

    He didn't do that. He said we don't know the facts, so we shouldn't judge either way. Engaging in blaming the alleged victim here is not constructive and it's also something we've been asked not to do.

    He was disciplined by Sesame Workshop for inappropriate use of their email system.

    You can exploit your position of power in private.

    Other people doing bad stuff too doesn't make other bad stuff better. It's still bad.

    Beyond that, let's not comment any further on the veracity of these claims. I wish everyone the best and I'm sure we all hope justice is served.

    I mourn the end of Kevin Clash's Sesame tenure. It's a shame it ended the way it did. His work will be missed.

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