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Elmo's Christmas Countdown

Discussion in 'Sesame Street' started by Barry Lee, Jul 24, 2007.

  1. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    But back to the original statement. i do not think Hollywood is liberal or conservative. They only follow one principle... getting as dang many cash as possible. maybe that's why they have generic Holiday specials. not under pressure from social groups, not under pressure from liberal gulit... you can make a LOT more money making something culturally ambiguous and selling it to more people with using as little money of your own as possible.

    But then again, Christmas is commercial. and their for, Christmas sells. The Pagan side and Christian side can both make a lot of money. I dunno how much you can make off of Hannukkah. I mean the Disney store tried to sell a Mickey Mouse Menorah (no foolin) and I don't think it was that good of an idea. And I have no idea how you'd go about marketing Kwanza.

    that said, other than the obvious Christmas Eve on Sesame Street, my favorite SS Holiday special was the New Years eve one. That one was great, even though I thought it was a cheat them having Elmo's Mexican cousin instead of Pancho, Lola, and Abelardo Montoya. It would be great if they remade the Japanese segment with Japanese muppet characters, and not just used Elmo's Japanese cousing Elmonoski (actually, his name would be more like Erumonosuke to be more accurate).
  2. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    I agree, ultimately Hollywood's main motivation is money. It is a business. However, I don't think they are losing any money from making straight Christmas specials. They are still occasionally made today and most people in the country celebrate Christmas. (Not that I think they shouldn't include the others).

    Like when certain department stores decided to say "Happy holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas." They quickly changed their minds when they realized a great number of their customers celebrated Christmas and didn't like that.

    Anyway, you will be hard pressed to find a movie that does not lean liberal. Or more to the point, you'll be hard pressed to find a movie that leans very conservative. There's just certain themes you will rarely if ever see. When they do the Oscars, the love is often given to a very liberal movie. It's not always a bad thing, but it is present. Most people involved in the entertainment industry are liberal, that is a fact.

    I remember the New Years special a little bit. A little too kiddie for me, but I liked the international aspect. :)
  3. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Christmas is a big seller. That's sure. I guess they were trying out for more money without having to spend any to make other specials.

    But then again, when I look at a commercial that says "Happy holidays" I see Christmas Trees, Christmas presents, Santa Claus....

    So for me it's not so much as calling it Christmas being religious, but just out of shear stupidity that gets me. if you keep on doing that, at LEAST put some Hannuka imagery in there.
    Usually the stars themselves. Producers don't give a rat's fez. They only care if it sells. But most of the left leaning ones tend to do poorly, while action films (thinly disguised as propaganda in some cases) do well. But I don't care either way. if it's not animated or stars a superhero, I ain't interrested.
  4. spanoftheos

    spanoftheos New Member

    Hi my name is Joe Spanos and I'm a big fan of Sesame Street and the Muppet

    Show. I grew up watching Sesame Street ever since I was 3. Cookie Monster

    has always been my all time favorite character. I also like Elmo, Big Bird,

    Oscar the Grouch, Bert, Ernie, Grover, The Count, Telly Monster,

    Snuffleupagus, and Herry Monster. I guess you could say that I like pretty

    much all of them including Cookie Monster. I also have a bunch of favorite

    Muppet Show characters like Kermit the Frog, Fozzie Bear, Gonzo, Rowlf the

    Dog, Animal, Bunsen Honeydew, Beaker, The Swedish Chef, Dr. Teeth, Sam

    the Eagle, Rizzo the Rat, Statler, and Waldorf. I'm looking forward to

    seeing the new Sesame Street Holiday special on ABC, Elmo's Christmas

    Countdown. I've been hearing good things about it. It's good to hear that

    ceratin Sesame Street characters like Elmo, Big Bird, Oscar the Grouch, Bert,

    Ernie, Grover, The Count, and Snuffleupagus will all be in it. I hope Cookie

    Monster will be in it too because like I said he's my favorite character. Will

    Cookie Monster be in Elmo's Christmas Countdown too? Can you tell me when

    Elmo's Christmas Countdown will be airing on ABC? Also, can you tell me if

    Elmo's Christmas Countdown will be released on DVD after if it airs on ABC?

    Please e-mail me at spanoftheos@sbcglobal.net
  5. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    I don't think we'll agree on this point Drtooth, lol, but that's cool. :)
  6. GonzoLeaper

    GonzoLeaper Well-Known Member

    I noticed someone brought up the actual birthday of Jesus Christ and they are right that it's probably not December 25th. But then, The Bible never specifically tells us when He was born and we can conjecture, but still not know for sure.
    But December 25th. was chosen by the church some long years ago as sort of an arbitrary date to celebrate Christ's birth- and it was also chosen to replace the pagan winter celebration (Saturnalia) that had been going on about the same time.
    (Here's an interesting newspaper article I found regarding this
    http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2004/12/23/special_reports/religion/21_50_1412_22_04.txt)
    Here's another link to look at-http://www.religionfacts.com/christianity/holidays/christmas.htm)
    The main thing is that we know Jesus did come and it's great to celebrate it any day of the year!:) I love Christmas all year round!

    But The Bible never really commands us to commemorate Jesus' birth. However, one thing Jesus does tell us to remember is His death and resurrection. "Do this in remembrance of me." (1 Corinthians 11:23-29)
    (Regarding The Lord's Supper, or Communion, as it's called.)
    This is one other reason why Easter is equally, if not more so important than Christmas. Christmas is only complete with Easter- because that was Jesus' whole point in coming. As a hymn says that I really love- "Christmas has its cradle and Easter has its cross."- and later on to the last verse "Christmas has its cradle and Easter has its Lord.":D

    (Here's the first and last verses)

    Christmas has its cradle where a Baby cried;
    Did the lantern’s shadow show Him crucified?
    Did He foresee darkly His life’s willing loss?
    Christmas has its cradle and Easter has its cross.

    Christmas had its cradle where that Baby cried;
    In the Easter garden, Christ lay crucified;
    When death’s power was conquered,
    God’s life through Him poured
    Christmas had its cradle and Easter has its Lord!
  7. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I think we've gone off topic long enough. Let's just get the train back on the tracks of the special.

    [old school fanboy rant] Why can't it be Sherlock Hemlock's Christmas Count Down?[/old school fanboy rant]

    just kidding.

    But I am wondering, given the title and subject if our favorite royal titled eccentric batlover, Count Von Count will do any of the counting.
  8. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    That's interesting GonzoLeaper! Well to be honest, I don't like trying to figure out which is more important, Christmas or Easter. The way I see it, you can't have one without the other. ;)

    Yeah I imagine the Count would love Advent calendars...even ones with inexplicably 10 days on them! lol
  9. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Yeah. The Count should have his own line of Advent calendars. i once had a Bootlegg European Mickey Mouse one, and it had Scrooge McDuck, Magica DeSpell and a Beagle Boy on it!

    I'm getting off the subject again, aren't I? :concern:

    I'd love to see how Count vonCount celebrates Christmas.... counting the decorations on the tree, counting the chestnuts on the open fire, counting the presents. He'd spend so much time Counting that would take a whole month to celebrate christmas.
  10. GonzoLeaper

    GonzoLeaper Well-Known Member

    Well, of course that is true too. And so I happily celebrate both!:D

    And to get back towards the original topic, I hope this new Sesame Street special will be a worthy addition to my Christmas celebrations!:excited:
  11. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I also hope so. Repeating my earlier posts, newer Christmas specials are pretty pathetic. It's just the easiest way to get exposure. That's why a lot of REALLY bad unsold cartoon pilots take place at Christmas (Hollywood Hounds, for example). So if they can't sell the series, they could still rerun it as a Christmas special. Oh, yeah. And it will be aired too.

    Olive the other reindeer was the last good one I've seen in a while. (Especially the reference to Ultraman at the end, which really cracked me up) Even the new Charlie Brown ones (even with their charm) just can't cut it.

    I also hear a Shrek one is in the works. I hope that one's good. The third film, while enjoyable was almost a let down compared with the first 2.

    But the simple fact is that a prime time network SS specil hasn't been seen in almost 10 years.
  12. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Again, you're forgetting "The Street We Live On", which aired three years ago.
  13. Ilikemuppets

    Ilikemuppets New Member

    Welcome to the forum Joe Spanos!
  14. Katzi428

    Katzi428 Well-Known Member

    OK everyone...back to the original topic of "Elmo's Christmas Countdown":
    Sesame Street has been on the air since 1969,whereas Elmo has been around since 1984 (?) Now,I'm not trying to start a fight here,but the powers that be at Sesame Street shouldn't keep focusing on Elmo since:
    a) he has his own mini-show within a show.
    b) other Muppets have been around way longer than Elmo has (as someone else in this thread stated)
    Why don't they just make it "Sesame Street's Christmas Countdown"? That way,it'd be fair for all involved in SS (old Muppets & human residents as well as new)
    I've said my piece.
  15. GonzoLeaper

    GonzoLeaper Well-Known Member

    Well, the nice thing about an Advent calendar is that if they get one of the normal ones, that have 25 days (for the 25 days from December 1 to December 25, leading up to Christmas) then there's plenty of room for everyone to take a turn opening one of the boxes on that day. So Elmo can get his fair turn, along with Zoe, Baby Bear, Telly, Rosita, Abby Cadabby, The Count, Grover, Herry, Cookie Monster, Bert, Ernie, Oscar (if he'd be willing to participate that is:grouchy: ) Big Bird and Snuffy and all those great Muppets of Sesame Street!:)
  16. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member


    Network= ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX, CW. PBS doesn't count as it's public television.


    3 words. Mar Ket Ing. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to know why it's Elmo's Count Down.
  17. Ilikemuppets

    Ilikemuppets New Member

    Well, he could open up a grouchy percent that everyone else can't stand the smell of or something.
  18. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Can't say I disagree. Hopefully there will be a back lash at some point and things will even out! :)
  19. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    It's a network.
  20. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    PBS is a technically a network, just not one of THE networks. :)


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