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Fraggle Rock DVD Petition

Discussion in 'Fraggle Rock' started by BlueFrackle, Apr 22, 2002.

  1. DaViD Boulet

    DaViD Boulet Active Member

    That's exactly the idea.

    Right...the casual viewer wouldn't know a "compilation" disc from a disc with 6 chronological episodes...nor would they care.

    To the real fan, however, they do care and they want them in order. So this is a simple win-win.

    I think the reason why so many "compilations" come out is that the marketing guys think "oh, this is just kids stuff and nobody really takes that seriously so just put a few episodes on a disc and we're done". That would be a travesty with Fraggle Rock DVDs.

    And besides...kids would benefit from having all the episodes available and in order just as much as as the die-hard fans who sign the petition :)
  2. BlueFrackle

    BlueFrackle Well-Known Member


    i should think that is more than likely the way they will go if they release 'em.

    But we need to find more ways of Promoting the Petition.

    See ya
  3. Luke

    Luke Well-Known Member


    The way they'll more than likely go is a compilation - basically because they are selections of the best episodes and because its standard Henson policy - however David has a nice idea.

    The petition needs more than 5,000 signatures ideally to submit if not a lot more - Henson already knows there are a thousand or so dedicated fans on the net who will buy DVD's. It basically goes back to what Danny said at Toughpigs.com in his article about petitions.

    I suggest you go to 80's and 90's site webmasters (cult tv sites and stuff) to get some publicity. Just do a search for them.
  4. Jessie

    Jessie Well-Known Member

    -You Guys!-

    I really don't see it happening with Fraggle Rock.
    Okay, I know I'm going to sound all cheesy and optimistic, but hey, someone has to say it.
    *Pulls up soapbox*
    Just because it is very, very unlikely that Henson will actually release all Fraggle Episodes on DVD doesn't mean that we should just throw in the towel. I know it's a long shot, but even if Henson rejects the idea now but only shelves it for awhile when DVDs are a lot cheaper, then we still will have made a difference. I personally have only seen 20 episodes on Fraggle Rock. I have them recorded from HBO on realy crappy VHS that's falling apart. I've never ever seen the last episode! If this petition even gets a few released, then it will be worth all the time that I've put into this. Not to be mean, but it kind of insults the people that have worked really hard onto making the site and spreading the word when you say, "Hey nice effort but it's not going to happen."
    Just think of Andy Dufresne from the Shawshank Repemption--he wrote a letter a week to the government asking for funds and after 6 years he got them. If it takes 6 years to get Fraggle Rock on DVD then it will be worth it to me.
    What we need now is encouragement, not discouragement please. The glass is half full to me. :0
  5. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I like that kind of sentiment. Nothing ever comes from those who say things can't be done. Good to see somebody keeping the faith. It's bound to happen someday, and I'm not going to give up.
  6. Luke

    Luke Well-Known Member


    You needed to read the post properly and ended up quoting me totally out of context. When i said "i really don't see it happening with Fraggle Rock" i was talking about full boxes of season by season DVD's - not the whole thing in general. Read back and have a look !

    I don't see the point in campaigning Henson specifically for something that is so out of character and fairly unrealisitic when you can campaign them to do something that IS totally possible and realistic. David had a great idea though when he phrased it another way - doing single DVD's in chrono order !
  7. DaViD Boulet

    DaViD Boulet Active Member


    I don't view it as being overly-optimistic. I just view it as needing a little patience and dedication.

    EVENTUALLY if enough fans keep telling Henson they want Fraggle Rock (and they want them all) we'll get them. We might have to wait a while...but we'll get it.

    I've been very active in the DVD world trying to get DVD releases done right and I've seen some real success stories. These aren't Muppet related but just to show you what I mean:

    1. Original "Termiator 2" DVD was anounced by "Live" entertainment as a "flipper" disc that would only be 4x3 lbxed. I started an emailing campaign to the studio and they haulted production on the disc because of the influx of consumer feedback. They delayed the release date by several months and not only released the title remastered in 16x9 anamorphic widescreen, but also released the world's first RSDL (reverse spiral dual layer) DVD so that the entire program could be watched continuously without having to turn the disc over in the middle of the movie.

    2. I contacted Image entertainment and spoke with their head of production about their plans to release "Dances With Wolves" in 4x3 lbxed (using the existing laserdisc master). I told him that the laserdisc transfer for the theatrical version was terrible, and that he should use the transfer for the "extended cut" or, better yet, remaster the title in 16x9 anamorphic. He said that he couldn't get the rights to the extended cut and that they only had 5.1 audio stems for the theatrical version, but that he hadn't really thought about 16x9 anamorphic but that my suggestion was a good one. He went on to say that another studio was already preparing a 16x9 anamorphic transfer but it wouldn't be ready in time for their disc production time-line. I kindly suggested that Image delay their time-line and utilize that new 16x9 transfer.

    Guess what happened. A week later an announcement went out anouncing the delay of Dances With Wolves and when it was released it boldly stated "16x9 widescreen" on the cover ;)

    3. I wrote several letters to United Artists asking that they release the Soundtrack to Chitty Chitty Bang Bang on CD (only available on out-of-print LP). 3 years after I wrote those letters I received a call from the studio letting me know personally they had finally been able to release the soundtrack and that they had taken the best of care to remaster from the original audio stems with the highest fidelity. The P.R. person asked if they could give my letter to the one living (of the 2 who wrote the score) Sherman brother who was being honored at a banquet in honor of the CD release--she felt that he deserved to see how much appreciation there was for the music he had composed for the movie by children who had grown up with the film and were now adults. Of course I said yes :)

    4. Need I remind everyone of the success we've all had with getting Willy Wonka in widescreen on DVD???

    5. Why doyou think Disney is releasing *all* the School House Rock shorts on DVD??? Becuase the fans have told them that we want them and we want the *all* (originally Disney had planned on just doing a "compilation" or "best of" DVD).

    Why am I tell you all this? Because these are just a FEW examples of how we, as consumers, can have a DIRECT impact on the products that we buy. Now is the time. Don't be shy!!! Tell Henson Company you REALLy want all those Fraggle Rock episodes...the whole series. Tell them you really want to watch them all and have them all to share with your family and kids...and not just a handful of "best of" episodes taken out of the context of the series.

    Let them know you'll buy them. I know that not only will *I* buy them, but I'll buy my sister a set and my nephiew a set as soon as they're available. That's 3 sales of the complete series on DVD right there and I'm just one person making my voice heard.

    Get motivated. Be dilligent and be patient. It can happen and it *will* happen if we make it happen.

  8. Jessie

    Jessie Well-Known Member

    Everyone and Luke

    I didn't mean to make you mad or anything, it's just that when I read your post it sounded to me like you were saying, "Why bother." I didn't mean to make you out like the villain or anything, but a lot of people have approached this negatively, & I just wanted to add my 2 cents. But I understand what you were saying.
    Dave--That's really cool about all the things you've helped release. Hopefully the same thing will happen with Fraggles!
    592 signatures--that's something, right?
  9. Luke

    Luke Well-Known Member

    Jessie :- It's ok - sometimes we all misinterpret things - i just want this petition to be as focused and effective as possible so we get what we want in a way where we get taken seriously and it's all do-able. I certainly wasn't saying "Why bother" !

    David :- I noticed a Disney mention in there and that the fans had been effective in influencing their decisions. IF Disney buys the Henson company do you reckon we've got more chance of getting Fraggle on DVD in the format we want ? (bearing in mind the whole thing was filmed in fullscreen so we won't have a hoo-haa over that). Thinking about it - i tend to think so !
  10. DaViD Boulet

    DaViD Boulet Active Member

    Yes I do.

    If Disney got a hold of Henson Co. I've got a good feeling that if consumers like us gave consistent input that we wanted the Fraggle Rock Series to be made available that, after a while, they'd oblige us. (humorous dig about the non OAR issue :) )

    Do you know any info as to the situation with Henson and Disney?

    Of all the things I want to see on DVD, this series has got to be one of my top 5 :)
  11. Wembley

    Wembley Well-Known Member

    Of course, my question is why has there been no new FR stuff made since 1988? I know that Henson co. wanted to put a good ending on the series, and it was done very well. However, the door was left open for more stuff to be made, like movies, or a new series even. I for one, would love to see Gobo and Doc do more together now that they are friends, and of course, the Gorgs and the Fraggles are now friends, too.

    Of course, a movie seems more likely than a new series. Heck it took 10 or so years to get the first Star Trek movie ... its been 14 years since the end of FR. If a little yellow thing that just says "Pika-choo!" can get three movies, surely there's a place for the Fraggle Five on the silver screen!

    I know that Sprocket made an appearance in MCC, but the only other thing we have seen the Fraggles in is MFC and Uncle Matt's cameo in MTM. Are there any other Fraggle sightings in any other Muppet movies?

  12. Jessie

    Jessie Well-Known Member


    Do you remember Bagooney? (spelling) He (it) made a guest appreance in MCC. Very small--just a background appearance. As for Doc- did he not pass away a few years back? Someone had mentioned that he had...:0(
  13. Luke

    Luke Well-Known Member


    Nope - i'm not sure about how the Disney/Henson thing is going - i think they are probably playing the waiting game. Once EMTV goes down the pan they can swoop and pick the company up real cheap !

    It seems we have found one topic where Disney owning Henson WOULD actually be an advantage to us. I too believe that besides their Fullscreen policy that Disney are quite receptive to releasing what the fans want after a while. I've always said that one of the things missing from Henson is the power to distribute effectively and with Disney they would have access to all that, and the retail outlets. It must be giving all the Disney haters a heart attack !
  14. DaViD Boulet

    DaViD Boulet Active Member

    Just imagine if the Fraggle DVDs went on sale and were promoted in every Disney Store in every mall accross the U.S.

  15. Jessie

    Jessie Well-Known Member


    Is this a bad thing or a good thing?
  16. KPrell

    KPrell Active Member

    Doc's alive and well

    Jessie -

    I spoke to Gerry Parkes in Toronto a few weeks ago and he's fine and still working. And still sounds like our beloved Doc!

    You're probably thinking of Fulton McKay, who played the Captain in the early UK Fraggle shows. Yes, he did pass away, oh, around 10 years ago.

  17. Jessie

    Jessie Well-Known Member


    Yes, Captain was the person I was thinking of. I'm sure that Doc wouldn't appreciate me wishing him away! That's really cool that you still speak to him though.
    *Sprocket, you can move now..."
  18. BlueFrackle

    BlueFrackle Well-Known Member


    Hey ,
    We reached 600 Entries today !

    I added one of Jerry Juhl's Memories that he sent me !
    go to the 'Memories' section to read it !

    Oh and dont forget, Spread the word !


    See ya
  19. DaViD Boulet

    DaViD Boulet Active Member

    Here's something else we can do too...

    contact Henson directly and tell them we want Fraggle Rock on DVD...that we want the *all* and we want them in *order*....


    dave :)
  20. BlueFrackle

    BlueFrackle Well-Known Member


    Hey Guys,
    I think it would also help for people to call and write letters.

    Address your letters to one of these people -

    Debbie Fine,
    Karina Gee,
    Isabella Miller,
    Brian Grimmer,
    Betts Fitzgerald...

    All at this address -

    The Jim Henson Company
    Sr. Vice President, Licensing
    117 East 69th Street
    New York, NY 10021

    Today we reached 700 Entries , It is picking back up again !!

    Keep Spreadin' -

    See ya

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