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Discussion in 'Fraggle Rock' started by Whataday, Jan 14, 2004.
Ok...Beaker, whatever it is you're smoking, it's time to share!
Does anyone know/remember which Doc was used in those Fraggle Video's that were out a long time ago in the UK?
There were releases from four different labels.
The RCA set, which ran to 13 tapes, featured Fulton Mackay as 'the Captain'; these were the UK edits of the shows, and several of them featured UK versions of the 'Travelling Matt' segments. A total of 20 shows, plus "Fraggle Rock Songbook", were released. The first six of these tapes are listed in the MC collectibles guide. These turned up in 1984/5; tapes 7-12 are the harder ones to find.
Virgin Video released two tapes in the mid-80s. Each tape had two shows, and were the US ones with Gerry Parkes.
Palace Video released a single tape in 1989, with two shows on it. I don't know whether they were the US or UK versions.
Finally, Jim Henson Video released three tapes in the early 90s. These were PAL conversions of the first three tapes released in the US around the same time, and feature Gerry again.
Palace videos released 'Gobo's School For Explorers' and 'Wembley And The Mean Genie' on one tape and it was with Gerry Parkes as Doc.
The only reason I know of Fulton MacKay was because of the RCA videos. Its only the first generation that remember him from the TV episodes.
Just to point out to others as it probably wasn't clear - Columbia Pictures were part of this RCA release so it makes it easy for Columbia Tristar to access them very easily again for DVD without having to do very much. Thats why I have a feeling we'll see these versions again but we'll see.
I have to say i really hope that it is the English (UK) version we get released over here. The first generation are the ones the show was produced for and were the episodes shown on terrestrial TV when the show had its biggest audience. Fans of cult TV in the UK are the target for these and they are going to be the ones who remember Fulton McKay as being in it. Even though younger viewers might have seen Gerry Parkes over here at some point in re-runs I think it makes sense to put the original United Kingdom productions on the UK DVD's. I'm sure the Americans wouldn't like it if they got their DVD's and Fulton McKay had taken the place of Gerry Parkes so I don't see why we should have that done to us. I think if UK people want to see the American version then they'd have that opportunity when the Region 1 releases come out in the future. Fulton brought a more British atmospheric kinda dark side to the show which made it very different to the more overly happy and mushy American stuff - if R2 has Fulton and R1 has Gerry it means people will get to see both if they want.
That sounds like quite an episode! Did he also double as the carrot in the Gilda Radner episode?
That means that colombia should release a specific version for each country in Europe.
I'am used to the US version, as the rest of scandinavia. And I know that I would be a bit disapointed if it was the UK version that comes out.
Im not sure who i'd prefer. I love Gerry Parkes as Doc, I can pass on Fulton MacKay. I grew up with Doc, So thats the reason.
Plus the Captain seems unreal, Whereas Doc I could actually imagine being real.
I'm not sure whether it will be the UK or US version on DVD. I suppose it depends on who owns the rights to the UK specific bits.
The now defunct ITV company "TVS" was the British commissioner of Fraggle Rock, and if they owned the rights to the captain scenes, in a bizarre twist of fate, they're now owned by Disney!
Maybe they should, I guess it would make sense to use the U.S version if that Region 2 disc was going to retail in Europe as a whole, i'm not sure whether this is just for UK release even though it'll work on other European DVD players. The French version already came out so selling it there will clash with that - did they use Gerry Parkes for that or the original French presentations ?
The rights on it are interesting. I always assumed that Henson as the production company owned the foriegn 'Doc' scenes but yeah maybe there is some conflict as to whether the original TV companies have some ownership and possibly that could be another reason why they go with the USA stuff for this.
It'd be good if Columbia wanted some contact with fans over the extras and which versions are put on DVD etc. The He-Man DVD's actually had fans doing the commentaries which could work with 'Fraggle' and be cheap or if they wanted to do some interviews with production people Jocelyn Stevenson who wrote (i think) for Fraggle and then went onto be an executive on Hoobs is at Hit Entertainment now so they could get her. It's not like they'd have to bring people in from the states.
I belive that they used the French Doc in those.
If they used the UK version for this release. Then I would be disapointed if they did not release a US version with the "Real" doc (seen from my perspective ) so that it would be possible to see those different "outer space" scenes there are.
I belive that they might be a UK only release, just as "The Very Best Of The Muppet Show" are.
I don't think it would be a good idea to let the fans do commentary as an extra. It just sound wrong in my ears.
3 UK lighthouse keepers
Hey BlueFrackle and everyone,
I hate to correct you, but Fulton Mackay was definitely replaced twice, once by Simon O'Brien, then, as established in the 'fraggle reunion' thread,we think, John Gordon Sinclair. I'm *pretty* sure Gerry Parkes NEVER made it to terrestrial TV and was only on Nick n' Disney Channel who opted for the better continuity US version.
I actually think alot of people are gonna be pretty annoyed and confused if the lighthouse isn't in these DVDs- I think from talking to people, it would be the second thing after doozers they remember as the titles featured it so prominantely. Doc is gonna flummox waaaaay more people than Fulton is. It's for this reason I'm thinking the british eps will be on this disc (shame, cos fulton was as boring as heck in those eps....)
Yeah I remember he was replaced when he died, Now you said that I kinda have a glimmer in my mind of the next guy turning up at the lighthouse (must have been O'Brien) and his interactions with Sprocket but that must have been just before the point I stopped watching. From what I remember he was very good although a bit young. I thought Fulton added a certain something to the show but I guess to really young kids he would have come over as a bit boring. I would expect these discs to follow what was shown on terrestrial TV as that would have been the biggest audience, so if they can include Fulton it'd probably be a better release for the UK nostlagia crowd. We'll definitely get the Parkes versions with the Region 1 releases anyway so they'll come in time.
So can we finally rejoice that Fraggle Rock is indeed coming to dvd? Or is it not official(as in, on MC's front page) until a North American release is secured? For me, it's gotta be the doc. His performance in "change of address" was absolutely *rivetting*, and brings me to tears every time I See that episode.
It's on the Columbia projected release list (although that can change or be delayed) but yes this is the first ever official English language Fraggle Rock DVD so IMO deserves some coverage on this global site. I would guess a North American release depends on who Henson sign up with as their new distribution partners. If they re-sign with Columbia then maybe the UK 'Fraggle' disc is a test to see if there is a market for Region 1 stuff to be made. If they go with Disney or Viacom then pretty much anything could happen but eitherway it would probably be about a year away.
Those releases were almost 20 years ago - there's no reason to suppose that the original rights negotiations still stand today. I suspect that anything CTHE want to release now would have to be cleared anew, so they could potentially release any of the 96 shows But as you say, we'll see!
So are they going to be released in the US?
Time will tell
Well Luke...I just have to rely on a once popular 80's british mod rock song, "How Soon Is Now?" by the smiths
"And you say it's gonna happen now
But what exactly do you mean?
See, I've already waited too long
And now my hope is gone"
Actually, those lyrics can be said about a lot of JHC things.
That's good, but not great since it's not in the US I would certainly consider buying it if it came stateside, but my money is pretty tight right now to pay for importing.
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