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Ghostbusters 3 finally on the way? You decide!

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by frogboy4, May 20, 2009.

  1. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I'll say this. For all the crap that Paul Feig and the cast and even the cast of the previous movie for defending it got, the real controversy should have been how freaking poor the distribution of the snackfoods have been. I have never seen a movie tie in this poorly handled. I'm sure scalpers have a lot to do with it, sure, but I'm still seeing Mike and Ike boxes branded with summer's stateside flop, Warcraft. I'm not saying anyone's deserving of death threats by any means, but strongly worded complaints should have been cast on Coca-Cola for its terrible handling of Ecto-Cooler.

    Because in the end, movie or no movie, I could care less. Bringing back a cult classic like Ecto-Cooler on the other hand filled me with more excitement than any Ghostbusters comeback of any kind could. This stuff is on the level of Hostess bringing back the Turtle Pie (which, frankly, they could have for a Ghostbusters tie in, as they have 2 kinds of GB tie in Twinkees, both impossible to find as well).
     
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  2. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Well it's officially Certified Fresh on Rotten Tomatoes, so, yay! :halo:
     
  3. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    As someone whose opinion of the film went from "if its existence brought back the holy grail of 80's/90's nostalgic kid's beverages, it can't be all bad" to "maybe if I'm bored enough it'll be a few laughs" to cautiously optimistic...

    I freaking loved it. Yeah, obviously, I do not find it as good as the original movie, but (and what I'm about to say will seem blasphemous) it's a freaking better Ghostbusters 2 than Ghostbusters 2. Better concepts, better story, just overall the second best Ghostbusters movie there ever was. In fact, I dare say making an alternate universe soft reboot was actually a better idea than a true third film. Especially with the concepts that were leaked, and the fact it would have been a Seth Rogany, Jonah Hilly type cast with no doubt their brand of humor. And I think I had the same experience as Herald here. The movie theater was packed (which is unusual for the theater I went to, only ever seeing it that full for maybe Despicable Me, Captain America 2, and you better believe I got a sucky seat at Lego Movie), and the audience roared with laughter and applauded every cameo and familiar ghost with gusto. Easily the second most fun I've had at a live action film this year after Deadpool. Other than a couple groaner kinda juvenile, but working in context jokes, there's nothing in the film I didn't like. Maybe Fall Out Boy's version of the theme song, but that's it and I really don't like them anyway.

    Specifics:

    Kate McKinnion, Leslie Jones, and especially Chris Hemsworth stole the show. That's not saying McCarthy and Wiig weren't good in the movie as well. I liked seeing Wiig actually be the sanest one of the group for a change. But Kate's odd mix of Doc Brown and Harley Quinn (or Gwenpool if you prefer) really just stole every scene she was in. I like at no time any of the characters acted like they were just female clones of the original busters. Melissa and Kate did share a kind of Egon and Ray dynamic, but weren't distaff counterparts. Also liked how Wiig's character actually felt ashamed about her paranormal research, especially since it was costing her pension.

    I like how, out of all the cameos in the film, Bill Murray's was the longest, the most referential to his original role in the film (only from the side of the skeptic, brilliant counterpoint to the original I might add), and had some bearing on the plot. Consider the fact that part of the reason why GB 3 never happened was because he was reluctant to come back. And also, to pay tribute to Harold Ramis (which the film does at the end), he's scene as a bronze bust in a university. Awwww.

    However, there's one thing I find this film actually improve d upon the original. The black cast member actually has a backstory and reason to join the Ghostbusters, thus not kinda coming off as the token. Unlike Winston Zeddmore, who just shows up halfway through the movie and just says "need someone else?" Of course, that was always because Eddie Murphy was originally scripted to play the part (like how John Candy was supposed to be Louis), but because Hudson wasn't as recognizable, most of Winston's scenes went to Bill Murray.

    But overall, a fine film and one of the best updates I've seen in a long time. It definitely is like if Ghostbusters were made today, both in humor and in tone. I raise my Ecto-Cooler to Feig and the cast.

    On another note, found the Key Slime Twinkees at a Wegman's. Brad Jones was right about the lime flavor being subtle, not that it was necessarily a bad thing. Whil I would rather they had the Marshmallow ones, I'm glad I got these.
     
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  4. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Yes, the theater experience for this film just felt like a wave of positive energy (speaking of Ghostbusters 2. ;)).

    Yeah it's just something I guess we have to learn to live with. Hollywood wants to make sure it plays to younger audiences.

    I adored that because it's something we haven't seen before. The guys never really cared too much about ridicule, they could brush it off (except when the city was directly in danger). But I could identify with Wiig's need for approval getting her in trouble, hehe. It's not better than the original movies, it's just different.

    Agreed, there was never any great excuse for the way Winston was treated. They've corrected that here ten fold. Patty was such a sweet character and, again, I could identify with her passion for Old NYC.

    Awesome! Hmm, I was at Wegman's recently, I may need to go again, lol.
     
  5. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

  6. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Yup, a lot of hyped up blockbusters ended up not doing so well this summer. Meanwhile GB16 proved a lot of the doubters wrong; it was nowhere near the train wreck they assumed it would be.

    According to Box Office Mojo:

    I'm not thrilled that Star Trek Beyond is currently tracking well. All these fans claiming they want originality and something that "respects the source material," and then they support yet another Star Trek reboot that has no clue what Star Trek is even about.
     
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  7. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Whatever anyone can say about this Ghostbusters movie, let's go back to before it was released and just the mere announcement of the female cast movie was gaining traction. I'm ignoring the fact the movie was really good, and for all the crap that the cast, crew, and original Ghostbusters (including the one who came up with the freaking concept), the real blame for resurrecting the franchise at all fell on Sony, who was heckbent on making a new GB movie at any cost.

    Now, again, this worked out for the best, but let's look at the other options. While it's been debunked that there was a second reboot was being made in tandem in case the Feig version fell flat, that one was a distinct possibility had we not seen the version that came out. By all accounts, the alternate film's treatment was terrible. I'd say that, all things considered, the Ghostbusters film we got was probably the best possible one, and making it a one off alternate timeline film in case there was a chance that a proper GB 3 movie was a good compromise.

    I'm hoping that animated one is still happening, though.
     
  8. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I find it hilarious yet annoying that detractors still are whining about this movie like it means something. Love how they call this one the box office bomb when it made back at least or almost half its budget in 2 weeks. Something ID4 2 and Tarzan never did.
     
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  9. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    It's has become quite the spectacle to say the least, hehe. If the complaints are about women, well, those detractors can't be helped. And if it's about the movie being a reboot instead of a sequel, those detractors really ought to move on at this point!

    Btw, the whole "reboot, not a sequel" thing reminds me of Piggy's meltdown after finding out her show is a special, not a series, lol.
     
  10. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Not that there aren't those who have valid complaints about the movie as it is. It was a fine film, nothing great, I can see why certain viewers would dislike it on the grounds of new humor and not liking McCarthy and rather have a different female cast. And the fact the movie was very homage heavy. That seems to be a common complaint, and I kinda agree to that. It could have cooled it off here and there. But frankly, in a summer of stinkers, Ghostbusters is hardly a bad film, let alone one of the worst of the summer when they did what they did with Tarzan. or Warcraft, but at least with that one was appreciated by the die hardest of the fanbase that was able to understand it. Frankly, I'm more annoyed by how "Out of the Shadows" handled Casey Jones than even the "fart sound from the front" joke. Seriously. Hey! Let's make Casey Jones a cop and have him don the Hockey mask once for a whole minute. And I actually liked that movie to an extent.

    But let's face it. Ghostbusters 3 would have been closer to Independence Day Resurrection than it would have been Mad Max: Fury Road. Like I said before, Sony was going to make a Ghostbusters film no matter what. If this was a one off, it's a one off. It might get a sequel, and I'm very mixed about it. The original film's sequel was, to put it kindly, a big ball of disappointing wasted concepts. And I swear when they wrote it, they knew some adults who liked the movie actually watched the cartoon and trolled fans of it. Why else would they have been out of business for years, and then pair up Janine with Louis Tully? Ghostbusters bnever had a chance to make a third movie in its prime to apologize for how wasted the second film was, unlike Men in Black getting a serviceable third film to make up for the waste of a second film. And yeah, I think they knew the cartoon had a fair share of fans of the movie watching, and trolled them by making the Worms raunchy instead of bizarrely obsessed with coffee.

    Seriously. Real Ghostbusters and Men in Black the series were stronger than their respective films' sequels.
     
  11. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    I will watch Ghostbusters 2 any day over Men in Black 2 or 3, lol. For me, Men in Black 3 wasn't that much of an improvement.

    Well Ramis did say he thought the Ghostbusters worked best as underdogs, and I can agree with that. Even if GB2 had started with them on top of the world, they'd have to come down at some point in the movie anyway.

    The reason I'm not interested in the "reboot not a sequel" thing at this point, is, I don't know, it's kind of disgusting hearing so many fans going, "I wanted, I wanted, I wanted, Me, Me, Me..." We all want a lot of things in life. Doesn't mean what we get is worthless.
     
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  12. Muppet Master

    Muppet Master Well-Known Member

    I actually never saw Ghostbusters 2, I hear it really wasn't good, but I agree with you on Men In Black. The second movie was terrible seriously was it trying to pander to kids or something, having the pug from the first movie and the worms go from small cameos to full blown side characters, the plot and effects were flimsy, just a bad movie. Men In Black 3 did redeem the franchise though, now that one is a great movie.

    As for Ghostbusters, it had some strong weekday numbers, and that should help it reach it's budget and most likely surpass it. At worse it'll break even, but I think it'll make some money unless it has some huge drops, still better then what the haters were expecting.
     
  13. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    It's not as good as the first, but it's ten times better than most sequels. The chemistry between the actors is still very strong and enjoyable, IMO.
     
  14. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I feel that would have been the result regardless of what Ghostbusters movies they would have made. What should be perfectly clear is that Sony was going to make another movie, and if it wasn't the one we got, it would have been something else the fanbase wouldn't have liked. What I really can't stand are those who desperately want decades long sequels and cheer them on all the way until the movie comes out and then something rubs them the wrong way and it's immediately the worst movie ever and an affront to fans even if the original team was behind it. I don't think a GB3, even one written by Akroyd and Ramis would have got really good reception. I do remember that when the idea of a "next generation" concept, one sanctioned by the original writers, popped up, fans were quick to dump on it.

    I personally feel the franchise didn't need to come back. Ghostbusters was popular enough when it came out, though it was outgrossed by Beverly Hills Cop at the box office. But it became a big cult thing to the point where it transcended and became a classic movie with a massive following. Unlike, say, Avatar which made a crapload of money, sure, but then everyone kind of forgotten and stopped caring about. But I feel the fact that Sony wanted another movie and to bring it into franchise territory, we got at least not the worst option. I have horrible thoughts (as I mentioned earlier) of Sony making it an Adam Sandler and his buddies film. Shudder. or not quite as bad, but still not preferable, something with Jonah Hill and Seth Rogan. Indeed, their names were tossed around as a rumor in the "next Generation" movie.


    I'll agree that the actors acted the heck out of Ghostbusters 2. If anything it's not a bad film by that aspect, but conceptually there are things that worked and things that didn't. Maybe it rubs me the wrong way as a fan of the cartoon series which used the concepts stronger and wiser, and overall a better sequel than the movie sequel. But the mood slime bringing the Statue of Liberty to life? Ehhhhh... There's a difference between campy and pushing it. Same reason I hate the Batman 66 episode with the Surfing Joker. They crossed the fine line between acceptable level of tongue in cheekness and delved into of the wall schtick that makes you groan. Not to mention the villain was weak. It has its moments, and some darn good ones. Chemestry does save the film from being a total disaster. Just...the cartoon had some great stuff about Peter's con-man father...even had an episode lampshading ABC's idiotic S&P meddling towards Janine. If there's 3 second movies that bug me due to the cartoon series, it's Ghostbusters 2, Men in Black 2, and TMNT: Secret of the Ooze. Of course for TMNT:SOTO, my problem was it pandered too much to the cartoon fans (i.e. young kids) and especially the suburban mommies who wanted to tone down the violence and replace Awesome Casey Jones with generic Japanese karate man. I still don't see how that's the preferable to TMNT3 film, but somehow it is.

    That said, MIB3 may not have been perfect or great, but I gave them credit for being more experimental with the plotline. The cartoon did a far superior time travel episode, though.
     
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  15. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Yeah I hear a lot of people say, "If only it had been a passing of the torch story, everyone would have loved it." Yeah, sure, lol. If by love it you mean nitpick it to death, I agree.

    I can see that. I agree, the cartoon grew a richer universe than GB2 did.

    Lol, I guess it's purely a "Go with it or don't" thing. I like seeing New Yorkers getting pepped up, embracing positivity, etc.

    At least they thought they were, the cartoon was ten times smarter than SOTO, lol.

    TMNT3 is obviously pretty clunky but you can see the potential there. Plus I admit I absolutely love Corey Feldman as Donatello, lol. His Donnie was smart, but also had some attitude. He's the type who would study quantum mechanics while listening to Bon Jovi! SOTO Donatello was more your standard nerd and, eh, not that memorable.
     
  16. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    When that concept was even rumored, it was already picked apart. And I can see that. It's why Extreme Ghostbusters gets an unreasonable amount of hate. That and the "Extreme" subtitle. The entire show seemed to undo ABC's damage to the original.

    But no matter what movie we would have got, the fanbase would have hated it. I just happen to have no respect for those keep calling for a sequel and then whine the loudest about how terrible it is. Sure, we can all be disappointed, but with these long standing sequels, I don't see too many Mad Max: Fury Road type films that gets a good reception and respect for the creator who was frustratingly trying to get it off the ground for years.

    Ehhh...kinda. It's still a better watch than Mr. Ogg goes to Town, or the entirety of European vacation. You hear about the UK's edited "Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles" controversy, and it feels like it manifested in this movie. Though, I have to say, Tokka and Rahzar were excellent, and at least more creative than Rocksteady and Bebop being thrown in there. Where as the original film was a nice compromise between cartoon series and comic book, changing only a little here and there to work as a movie, Secret of the Ooze was a 90 minute G rated kid's toy commercial. They totally didn't need to make it a Shredder revenge story. Super Shredder may be awesome a villain in the video games, but it just clenches every Disney villain stereotype as a film.



    TMNT 3 doesn't deserve the hate it gets. Unfortunately the movie can only be appreciated if you're a fan of the original comics. It has a very Tales of the TMNT vibe to it, and I appreciate that it didn't just dump some other TMNT cartoon villain in there. Plus, the best darn Casey Jones there was came back. It's not a perfect film, but hardly the kiddy and nanny pandering toy commercial that was Secret of the Ooze.

    Still... have you ever heard the concepts for the fourth original TMNT movie that thankfully never got made? That would have been a dumpster fire.
     
  17. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    It's just that some fans make disappointment a way of life, lol. ;)

    I don't think so, what were they?
     
  18. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Remember the second to last season of the 80's TMNT cartoon where the turtles inexplicably turned into The Incredible Hulk? Something like that.


    And might as well throw this out there:



    Agreed with everything but the predictable Extreme Ghostbusters bashing.
     
  19. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    And I disagree with everything in that review, lol. Well, not quite, I liked the parts about Winston "who's there sometimes" and Dana being "more naked." Lol. Don't get me wrong, I'm not angry, I get that Honest Trailer's thing is to rip apart movies. I'm just saying: It has never bothered me that the New Yorkers don't believe in ghosts anymore. The whole point of GB2 is how easily jaded and smug people can become. People aren't logical, they're emotional. They have selective memories, as Peter essentially points out in the court room scene. People don't want to deal with being ridiculed, thus that burden falls on the Ghostbusters. That's a big reason why they're heroes.

    And while there are similar beats, it's not the same story. The GB1 is an origin story, plus a commentary on the '80s' obsession with money. GB2 is about a completely different aspect of society, again our tendency to be negative. And there's a symmetry between the two films. In GB1, the Ghostbusters come through for the city. In GB2, the city comes through for the Ghostbusters.

    And also, Egon is actually quite different in GB2. In GB1, Ramis made a point of never smiling. But over 5 years, Egon seems to have developed a weird sort of wry, all knowing smirk (like watch the toaster scene), lol.

    I can think of many ways to defend the reboot without throwing GB2 under 16 different buses. :p

    Oh, as for TMNT, that's interesting. I wonder if a live action movie could have done "Red Sky" any better.
     
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  20. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Watching that gave me appreciation for the plot of the new film. Sure, it hit some of the same obvious plot points, but if there's 3 things I think this film did better, I'd say it's...

    1. Keeping the villification of the Ghostbusters on a government level more about a sleazey mayor trying not to look bad, instead of an angry government official that wants to shut them down. Especially since instead of actually being arrested or committed, they're just dismissed and "fake" arrested. At the very least, no time spent in a "we're stuck in prison and we need to get out or things will get very bad" sub-plot. Not to mention the mayor's huge backpedal at the end, fumferring it of as "terrorism."
    2. No montage short cut of their rise to stardom, and everything happens more or less in real time. They're established, but not well established.
    3. While I'd usually complain about a third act break up, I think one of the Ghostbusters completely leaving the others and getting caught up in a separate crisis to the point she freaks out at a restaurant trying to warn the mayor was a nice touch.
    Overall, the one thing that makes this a better second film than the actual second film is that at least it hits different notes on the way to a similar plot. Though, for what its worth, I like Ghostbusters 2, and I especially like the scenes with Murray and Weaver in both films, and if there's one thing I feel this new film is missing, it's something like that.

    However, if a sequel to this were to be made, I'd have the Ghostbusters remain a successful ghost extermination business, and if anything have things slow down a little. That's the thing the cartoon series did much better, the fact they were still in business and residual ghosts of all kinds would manifest.

    I duuno about that, but the new cartoon series certainly did Dregg a lot better.
     

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