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I miss Kermit!

Discussion in 'Classic Sesame Street' started by golden teeth, Oct 10, 2005.

  1. mikebennidict New Member

    true. sorry I see Daffy already mentioned that. seemes like being on the computer for hours tires me out and I loose track of my thinking.
  2. Pug Lover New Member

    Sorry to get a little off topic here,but I just have one question.
    Does Kermit appear in Elmo Saves Christmas?:)
  3. BEAR Active Member

    The cool thing is even though we don't actually see him on Sesame Street anymore, his spirit and presence is still felt everytime I watch. Sounds weird, huh?:) He started that show and actually, it was Sesame Street that pretty much launched him and made him the popular frog he is today. One might say he is to Sesame Street what Dana Carvey or Eddie Murphy was to SNL.
  4. BEAR Active Member

    Yes he does. He does a news broadcast in one scene.
  5. Pug Lover New Member

    Thank you BEAR.
  6. BEAR Active Member

    You bet!:)
  7. Rosewood New Member

    A favorite Kermit sketch

    I just recently purchased a used copy of "The best of Kermit" and its a must for any Kermit fan! One of the sketches they show on it (totally remastered!) is the one where he recites the alphabet with the little girl who, every now and then, says "Cookie Monster!" instead of a letter, then breaks up in giggles! Kermit, in the meantime, seems to get frustrated and, at the end finally just says "That does it! I'm leaving!" At which point the girl calls out "I love you!" Kermit sheepishly returns and says "I love you, too." At which the girl plants a big kiss right between his eyes! It's definately an all-time classic!(I find it pleasingly ironic that I can now say the alphabet to my 18 month old, and if I ever say "Cookie Monster!" instead of a letter, she giggles just like that little girl did!) :)
  8. Ilikemuppets New Member

    I love that setch. It's good to know that childern still respond to it, even if Sesame Street doesn't show it anymore.
  9. Rosewood New Member

    I've said it before, and I'll say it again............

    The fact that SW has all those vintage Kermit clips at their finger tips, and yet is showing no plans whatsoever for them (other than letting them deteriorate on the shelf) makes me sick to my stomach. But, looking at it from SW's perspective, if I were trying to make a name for myself out there, I don't think I'd want Kermit (a.k.a. Jim Henson) to have to compete with. This "dynamic duo" of SS is pretty stiff compitition to beat, even if they have been gone for 15+ years.:)
  10. Ilikemuppets New Member

    Kermit is what makes Sesams Street what it is.
  11. Rosewood New Member

    I totally agree!

    My thoughts exactly. I just wish the head people at SW would get their heads out of their pompous you-know-whats and be willing to admitt it. They may have done a great job creating "new" characters for todays SS, but you can't just go and give all the old characters the ax and start all over again like it seems they are trying to do. In order for SS to be where it is today, it took alot of time and effort on behalf of the people who made SS what it was before this. And simple recognition, by showing clips of their past work (like past Kermit clips), IMO, is the least they could do to grant Jim and others who have passed on the respect and recognition they have so rightfully earned.
  12. BEAR Active Member

    I don't think "pompous" is the right word to describe them. However, remember that the only reason they can't use Kermit is because of the new ownership, not because they don't know how valueable he is. I am sure they do.

    I just wonder why Kermit never talks anymore about his time on Sesame Street whenever he is doing interviews on talk shows and things. It seems like he has forgotten his roots.
  13. Rosewood New Member

    They do have the rights to the clips, though.

    When Jim Henson passed away and Kermit was removed from SS, SW lost the rights to make any new inserts showing the frog. However, they did gain access to, and STILL have the rights to show any footage that was shot before that which included Kermit. It's possible that they might want us to THINK that they don't have the ability to show these clips, and that would give them an easy explanation as to why they are not showing these clips anymore. But the truth is that they have the right to show every clip from every episode that they have in their archives, no matter who or what it shows regarding characters. I honestly, truely believe that the reason these characters (played by people like Jim and Richard) are slowly being erased is not only so we, the viewers, wont have examples of Jims work to compare with that being done today, but also because they (the people at SW) know that, if they bide their time, the kids of today will eventually forget these characters completely. The producers at SW can say all the "respectfull praises" to Jim and his legacy that they want, but, when it comes right down to it, I honestly get the feeling that it is all talk simply to save face.:sympathy:
  14. BEAR Active Member

    But they were still doing new things with Kermit even after Henson died. Steve Whitmire had been playing him. His last new appearance was the hurricane episode a few years ago. They still occasionally show Ernie sketches from when Jim Performed him. So it doesn't have to do with Jim Henson dying.
  15. Rosewood New Member

    Then mabey I'm totally off base here.....

    If what you are saying is true, and I wouldn't doubt that it is, then it's very possible I could totally be off base here. It didn't occur to me that Steve did Kermits voice for so long after Jim passed away, especially for SS. But now that you have brought it to my attention, I see you are indeed correct, and I stand corrected. I do wish that SW would not be so hesitant to show old clips, (like ones with Kermit), though. It just seems so illogical for them to have all these digitally enhanced clips at their finger tips, and yet not be doing anything with them.(other than showing one every now and then):cry:
  16. BEAR Active Member

    Yeah, Steve started to perform Kermit almost immediately after Jim passed on, and continued to until a couple years ago. Now that Disney has bought the regular Muppet Show characters, Steve only performs Kermit in the Muppet projects and only plays Ernie on Sesame Street. I think Ernie is the only character Steve plays on SS. I don't know what the big deal is in showing old clips. They used one for the recent A Celebration of Grover DVD, but that was it. Kermit was also on about a month ago when they re-aired the Hurricane series. From what I understand, SW still has permission to use old Kermit clips. I don't see why they don't take advantage of that. I do understand why they are unable to use him now from new episodes. Its a legal thing I guess. I am sure Disney would be willing to negotiate with SW on allowing Kermit to make maybe one or two new appearances a season. Even in just brief cameos. I don't see it happening though.
  17. mikebennidict New Member

    I might be asking a stupid question butwhen you say they're slowly being erased, do you mean the clips themselves? If so why make such a specualation?
  18. Daffyfan2003 Active Member

    I think all the old Kermit clips went to "Plaza Sesamo."

    By the way, I don't think Ernie is Steve's only character on SS. Didn't he play Dr. Feel as well?
  19. Dantecat Active Member

    Yes he did.
  20. Rosewood New Member

    I'm speaking of any way that these classic characters can still be made a part of the SS program, even if it is simply by showing old clips that have now been digitally enhansed. If SW has gone to all the trouble of digitally enhansing these classic clips, why not put them to good use? And if your wondering why I keep bringing the fact that older characters are slowly being erased to peoples attention, this is why: In the future, when SS has suddenly gone off the air and everyone wants to know why it happened, I want people to remember who was responsible. But even more than that, I want to keep it from ever happening in the first place. I may be just one person, but I know from experiences in my own life that it is possible for just one person to make a difference, even if the eventual outcome does look pretty grim at the present time. Why make such a speculation? Why ask such a question? It goes both ways, my friend.:attitude:

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