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Master Replicas Gonzo Photo Puppet

Discussion in 'Muppet Replicas' started by MuppetCaper, Nov 2, 2007.

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  1. Mistersuperstar

    Mistersuperstar Well-Known Member

    It's a real pity about this replica. From the photos, Gonzo doesn't seem to have any life in him at all and I agree with everyone about the eyes. I can't imagine that anyone will ever make anything like this of the Muppet characters so I'll buy it. I really don't want to jeopardize the replica line's future either. Maybe the final product, once we have it in our hands, will be more like the Gonzo we know and love. Also, I wish MR would get some good posers/photographers in to take the promotional shots. Really good photos would make a lot of difference to people's opinions, I'm sure.
  2. chequepoint

    chequepoint Active Member

    Its these remarks that MR will use as a free license to not care. Despite all of the flaws, people will buy it anyways because "eh, its better than anything else" .

    I've got $200 waiting for MR to earn it. They haven't yet. Not on Gonzo.

    Scott foam is the answer. Make it right, or don't make it. Under UV protected glass it will last longer than I will. Most of the people complaining that it will degrade have probably never even owned a scott foam puppet.

    Under constant use under stage lighting, the high stress areas will wear out in 6 months. Kept out of UV light, in a protected environment, there are no worries. PLUS I'll throw this out. Yes $200 is a lot of money, but not really. Not when you'll spend that on an ipod that won't last 5 years. Not when most of us would pay 20X that amount for a degraded, used, busted, real gonzo. If its made of scott foam, and I get 15 years of happiness looking at it, fantastic. If it looks like crap and lasts forever, who cares.

    BUT I will say that all of our comments are a waste, because what we've seen is just a mock up from what I can tell. It's the same poser that was shown at Comic Con, with some cheap photoshopping.

    I hate being such a downer on here. It just drives me crazy because I love gonzo, but I'm not such a blind cheerleader that I will support a subpar product. MR is clearly about to enter some shakey ground with the lack of a Star Wars license. They should be going over the top to create the best for us, so that we can help to carry their jobs into the future.

    Here's hoping for fozzie.
  3. Was Once Ernie

    Was Once Ernie Well-Known Member

    I completely agree with everything you say here and I've been saying it for months, but people are so scared that foam will fall apart in a year. I have a puppet that's over 30 years old and the foam is still good in it. Ask Fozzie... he's seen my puppet.

    The other thing I suspected is that the new pictures are still the pantyhose nose Gonzo, but they are too far away to see the mesh detail. I have two pictures of him from Comic-Con and the one that is farther away, you can't see the detail, just a smooth-looking nose. On the close-up, the detail is very visible.

    And the other thing, I think they still didn't make the eyelids so you can pose them wide open or normal. Travis said at Comic-Con that would look into it for Gonzo, but that it was too late for Animal. Animal's eyelids move, but they don't stay in place on their own.

    I've said it before, I'm not going to buy an okay product, it has to be pretty close to perfect.

  4. Mistersuperstar

    Mistersuperstar Well-Known Member

    I would rather have a Gonzo that lasts a lifetime and doesn't look exact than and exact replica that will last 10 years max. I am not buying this line because they are exact replicas nor do I need them to be "exact".
    Nothing that has ever been released before to do with the Muppets has been 100% perfect and nor has anything by any other company to be honest.
    Mass production on anything will undoubtably produce some flaws that the original didn't have. The Muppet movies we buy on DVD are good quality but not as good as the original master film. We expect that so don't complain. I don't see these replicas as being any different. Unless each replica is personally crafted from the same materials buy a real Muppet puppet craftsman (ie Terry), these cheaper replicas will not be as good.
    Basically, we come down to this; if you don't like the finished product, don't buy it. But remember, if MR don't sell enough, the future of this line will be in jeopardy. MR won't mind because they have many lines that they sell. We will be the ones to lose out.
    Also, some of you might have $4000 to spend on "degraded, used, busted, real Gonzo" while some of us can only afford to spend $200 on something thats close, not exact but close.
  5. Telly

    Telly Well-Known Member

    How many people bought the Muppet Movie even after they took out the part where Kermit asks for a Grasshopper? In some odd way that's sort of like this.
  6. MuppetCaper

    MuppetCaper Well-Known Member

    Just to let everyone know. Amy sent me a post regarding Gonzo. It is scary how everyone is in such a hype about him. Some peoples expectations are still too high or too demanding. They want water in h*e*l*l too for all I know, but I am going to take him for what he is.

    Here is what Amy sent me:

    So I hope that makes any of you feel better that they are still working on him even as we speak.
  7. antonydavanzo

    antonydavanzo Well-Known Member

    Well thats great news!
  8. doc hopper

    doc hopper Well-Known Member

    Just aim the eyes closer to the nose and I'm in. Whatever. Let's just get this one over with and move on to Fozzie and other characters that are less difficult to reproduce.
  9. MuppetCaper

    MuppetCaper Well-Known Member

    I have my faith in MR. I have been with them so many years now and they have never let me down as far as their items. I have ALWAYS been impressed and we all should give them a little slack. I am just thankful that this is one of the best lines that I have seen in a long time. I will alway be a continued loyal customer as long as the photo puppets keep rolling in....and maybe other things if it catches my eye. So give them time to work things out and don't jump the first thing you see. We all want Gonzo and the rest so let just wait and see the final product....you guys might be suprised in the end! ;)
  10. Mistersuperstar

    Mistersuperstar Well-Known Member

    Well said! :)
  11. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    The skinny and the blue!

    My correspondence was returned and it appears the main concerns are being addressed as we speak. Here’s the skinny:

    Eye focus was always one of the last bits with Palisades figures - and the same goes here. It’s best to leave that final touch for the end. They reportedly will be tweaking the pupils. (Sounds dirty. He he.) :eek:

    They are also looking into the jaw/lip area. It really is a common mistake in Gonzo toys. They are looking through their puppet source art and the Mega Gonzo sculpt for this. The mouth area also a big part of how the nose-shape comes out and MR knows that. We already know the nose is being addressed and apparently it will be looking good. I don't know if this will be noted in the site photography. :concern:

    Lastly, the suit. Well, it's going to be redder than some fans might like, but he has worn that color before. However, it is not as signature a color as the slightly purpler suit we know and love. MR (not unlike what Palisades did with the likeness) deems this a contemporary/classic Gonzo blend. The suit will reflect that sentiment and be left in its current color. I don’t think it looks so red in person, but it’s definitely not that Salmon Pink!

    That's the word from the good folks at Master Replicas. They were nice, swift and friendly! Thanks to them for setting us die-hard fans at ease. ;)
  12. Luke

    Luke Well-Known Member

    Agreed, it may have been a mistake to put a Gonzo into production once it was known that they wouldn't be able to mass produce anything like Terry's prototype ... but obviously they paid for their license and want the big guns. Let's hope they can make some improvements still though and something as close as possible is worked out because they do all look really good together and not having a Gonzo would put a big gap in the group. I am sooo looking forward to Fozzie, much more suitable for the line although giant so costly, lol. He just looks so fantastic, i need him on display here asap!

    Mister Superstar - i can hear what you're saying about you preferring something that is less exact and lasting, over something that will last 10 years or so but look much better. However, do you really think any other material is going to give you that guarantee - unless you just put it away in a box there will be an amount of wear anyway. A standard teddy bear kept from when you were a kid even starts to degrade or fall apart after awhile. This is a premium specialist product - i'd rather they were using the correct materials and making this the authentic way even if it costs a little more. If i'm paying 400 dollars for something less exact i'd rather pay 600-800 for something closer to the real deal. I guess Disney won't allow it though because of the brand reputation.
  13. muppetperson

    muppetperson Well-Known Member

    Gonzo has now been added to the Muppets listing on the MR site.Sad news is that he is now $100 dearer at $299.00 plus there are going to be as many Gonzos as there was with Kermit-2,500 so he isnt as limited.And shipping is now between March and May next year.Just hope Fozzie doesnt go up dramatically from when Amy told us all the prices.
  14. Was Once Ernie

    Was Once Ernie Well-Known Member

    That's odd. I just got the e-mail and it says $250.

    But since there will be 2500 of them and Kermit has yet to sell out, I will definitely be waiting on this one to see some final photos... and maybe even some fan photos after he ships. It depends how the pictures on the website turn out. Right now they are using that same picture of the Comic-Con prototype that we have already seen.

    That's also disappointing about the suit color. I thought they said all along they were going for the classic Muppet Show era on the characters, which would be the more purple tux. I'd almost rather have him in the sweater vest if the color isn't going to be right.

    Man, I sure seem to be complaining alot on this one, but in my defense, I never said one negative word about Kermit when other people were tearing him apart. I just want them to get it right.

  15. muppetperson

    muppetperson Well-Known Member

    Maybe that is with discount if you are a CS member? The color of Gonzo's suit looks better(darker red) than shown here, but it is the same photo, so they must have photo shopped it.
  16. MuppetCaper

    MuppetCaper Well-Known Member

    I am just happy with the fact that they know about some issues with him and they are working on it. The clothing is so minor. I can have someone make me a little purple suit for him. I am happy with the current news about his tweaks.....I AM READY TO PRE-ORDER WITH MY CS DISCOUNT! :concern:

    You are right OWE....it does say $250.00 in the news letter then on the website it says $300.00. Even with my discount, it is only $269.10 with free shipping. That's odd.
  17. Luke

    Luke Well-Known Member

    What price did she say?

    I don't get why they can't get a color match for the Gonzo suit - do they dye it themselves or just get a bulk load in from a list of colors?
  18. MuppetCaper

    MuppetCaper Well-Known Member

    I would prefer the red suit over the salmon color anyday. I can always have a little suit made for him.
  19. chequepoint

    chequepoint Active Member

    I'll fix their website so that the pictures show up at a sane size when you click to enlarge in exchange for one of terrys prototypes.
  20. Bear Man

    Bear Man Well-Known Member

    2500 Gonzos? Oh dear. With Kermit yet to sell out and a less-than-perfect likeness, I see these being really slow to sell. I just hope that the line will hold up long enough for Fozzie to make it all the way through production.

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