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Muppet Listings 14.0

Discussion in 'Classic Muppets' started by The Count, Nov 30, 2004.

  1. muppet_dk

    muppet_dk Well-Known Member

  2. The Count

    The Count Moderator Staff Member

    Don't want to anger one of my trusted sources. Muppet_dk, was the name of the entry you sent me "The Beligian Folkdance Troop"? If I recall, you said that they were wearing some sort of national costumes. The only world nation I can think of whose name comes closest to the entry you provided is Belgium, and anything coming from that nation is said to be "Belgian" and not "Beligian". Is this correct? Just trying to get things right.
  3. The Count

    The Count Moderator Staff Member

    Uh Muppet_dk, if you could, please post the name here. Can't seem to access the link you posted, keeps taking me to some sort of Lycos/Google sale on luggage.

    Splitting for my next class, hope to hear from you guys soon.
  4. muppet_dk

    muppet_dk Well-Known Member

    Don't worry I'am not angry :).

    I belive it's a made up nation. From what I can hear it's Beligian.

    I tried the link in both firefox and IE and it works for me. You can try to right click and save the file to your computer and play it from there.

    I won't try to spell the name that gonzo use, I'am very unsure about the spelling of that.
  5. MuppetDude

    MuppetDude Well-Known Member

    Some input, if I may.

    The Dolphins probably shouldn't be added since they are basically background characters, and don't have a lot to do in the episode.

    The name of the folk dance troup isn't in closed captioning, but it sounds like "Bolykian" to me. They were six Whatnots dressed in Swiss/Belgian-style clothing, with lederhosen, bonnets, and stocking caps.

    Here's a couple of others from the "Aquatic Life" episode:

    PUMPKIN--a Muppet woman, about 1/6 smaller than Ted. She's more detailed than most other Muppets, and very humanlike, with black hair, blue dress, and real hands (with red nails). She appears on a cruise with Ted, and "Pumpkin" is the only name she goes as.

    TED THE MALCONTENT/HOMO SAPIEN--a green water creature with short purple horns, a turned down snout, baggy eyes, a bisected body, and a tail instead of legs. In a story told by Clifford, this creature (voiced by Ted Danson) swims to the surface, and later evolves into Ted Danson himself (wearing an "I SURVIVED THE EVOLUTION" t-shirt).

    And I believe Gonzo's name is "Scurvy".

    And concerning the bears; Fozzie could be counted, but I think the other bears shouldn't since they aren't given names in the sketch, and are more like background characters.
  6. The Count

    The Count Moderator Staff Member

    OK, gonna take care of some recent business.
    1 Concerning the folkdance troop, I'll restore it to "Beligian" and keep it as such, until I get the episode in a deal made with MuppetDude.
    2 The ones you suggested are already covered MuppetDude, Muppet_dk beat you to the punch. Got them as Ted the Evolution Muppet and Ted Dansen's Pumpkin since he refers to her as "his pumpkin".
    3 So, lemme see, you think the entry should be like this?
    "The Three Bears/Thieves, including Big Paws (TMS, from Muppet Arabian Nights)"
    Or should it be separated into...
    "The Three Bears/Thieves: Big Paws (TMS Fozzie Bear from Muppet Arabian Nights)"
    "The Three Bears/Thieves' Other Members (TMS Baby Bear and Billy the Bear from Muppet Arabian Nights)"
    Will try it when I get home to see if the size and spacing hold for both entries.
    4 So, you think the Dolphins should be eliminated as anentry? They are after all Muppet dolphins and used in this episode as characters seen during the episode's storyline. But then again, I'll wait till seeing the episode for myself to see if this theory holds.
    Hope to get some replies from you guys soon.
  7. MuppetDude

    MuppetDude Well-Known Member

    2-a) During the sketch, the puppet becomes a human. How will you put him/it in the listing?

    2-b) "Ted Danson's Pumpkin" sounds more like he's owning a vegetable rather than being associated with a person, whereas just "Pumpkin" could be taken as a name. The only time I can recall Ted referring to her as "his Pumpkin" is at the end of the sketch. ("That's my Pumpkin!")

    3) I was thinking:

    Big Paws (TMS, Fozzie Bear from Ali Baba)

    --and that's it. I can't think of anything else.

    4) Yes, unless you're counting background animals in your list. If so, I've got no problem with that.

    Before you reveal your list, I'd like to make a few more additions/suggestions.
  8. The Count

    The Count Moderator Staff Member

    2a. The fact that it's denoted as "Ted Dansen's" doesn't necessarily imply ownership. Yes, it's a possessive contraction which can mean ownership or that it belongs to him. However, the suggestion was made by Muppet_dk, but if you who have the episode say that this reference was made only at the end of the sketch then I can see changing it to just "Pumpkin (JHH)".
    Oops sorry, that was 2b, got the wires crossed.
    2b. The "Evolution Muppet" becomes the human at the end doesn't it? And while in Muppet form, it retains some sort of human traits doesn't it? So I think that leaving it as the "Evolution Muppet" will do, since evolving into the human known as Ted Dansen is part of the gimmick of this particular character, and it still reflects changing into a human with its own Muppety characteristics.
    3 Best suggestion is "Big Paws (TMS, Fozzie Bear from Muppet Arabian Nights)". But then how do you account for the other two bears/thieves? Or should they just be ignored for now?
    4 Well, if the dolphins are just background and non-incidental then maybe... eh, not sure about keeping them or not. Again, Muppet_dk's the one who suggested them, and I wouldn't want to upset another of my trusted sources.

    As for additions before posting V15, due to recent discussion, I'm shooting for a total of 3030 entries. Depending on the questions/thoughts regarding the bears/thieves from TMS and dolphins from JHH, I'd still need anywhere from 16 to 18 entries to finish off.
    Oh yeah, are you sure Gonzo's name from the Pirate Cruise sketch on JHH was "Scurvy"? If so, that would eliminate one more from what I need.
    Again, thanks for all the help, hope to hear from you guys soon, and have a good day.
  9. MuppetDude

    MuppetDude Well-Known Member

    Ah, 2-b or not 2-b? (I couldn't resist. :D )

    2) I agree with you on the evolving character, but how about "Ted the Evolving Muppet"? Either way, I'm okay with it.

    3) You should probably leave them off for now. I don't know what to do with them.

    4) The dolphins have no lines, and are basically floating around a fish who's complaining about the polluted water (caused by Ted), among other animals.

    And yes, Scurvy is the name Gonzo uses: "My name be Scurvy!"

    Boy, it seems that this list is getting harder to complete. :smirk:

    By the way, how will you list characters from commercials, and The Ed Sullivan Show?
  10. The Count

    The Count Moderator Staff Member

    You know, it makes me laugh a little when I get quick replies like this. Makes me think we're playing tag or something.
    OK, "Ted the Evolution Muppet" will stay as is.
    The bears/thieves will remain unlisted for now, probably till I get the Marty Feldman TMS episode through my deal with Justin.
    The dolphins will go by the wayside, and Scurvy will be added bringing us up to 3012 entries and needing 18 more for V15.

    You think keeping this list is gettin' tougher every time? Think of how much time I have to sit down and just update the numbering alone. But that's not your prob, sokay with me anyway I use my sitting shifts for that anyway.
    As for characters from commercials and Ed Sullivan Show, whaddya mean? There are some who've shown up on Ed Sullivan Show and SS, and thus I've listed them as being from Sesame. Examples include Scudge and Twinkleclaws. As for commercials, examples would be Wilkins and Wonkins, both listed as being from S&F.
    And then there are the still remaining requests, but I can leave them be for now till someone gets the episodes or I finish my law studies and go watch all SS episodes for further research and true publication of my full Muppet Universe project.

    Hope to hear from you guys soon and have a good afternoon.
  11. MuppetDude

    MuppetDude Well-Known Member

    There are some characters that appear on Ed Sullivan and rarely pop up anywhere else (like the Three-Headed Instant Rock-&-Roll Band, and the Wisecracking Octopus from the "Octopus' Garden). I've been thinking of "ES" as a category, but I'm wondering what your thoughts are of this.

    It's also hard to categorize commercials, since many of them stray away from the S&F likeness (when Don Sahlin would build them, along with Jerry Juhl and Frank Oz being with the company), and become more like SS. A possible entry for them is "C", or "Muppet Commercial". Most of these characters appear during the commercials only (like Nutty Bird and Sir Linit, and the La Choy Dragon), while others pop up in other productions (such as Sour Bird's brief appearance on ES), and others evolve. (Like Kermit and Cookie Monster).

    By the way, it's spelled W-O-N-T-K-I-N-S.

    You may also want to categorize "Tinkerdee" under S&F, rather than TMS, since the characters are built by Jim, it's in black and white, and Kermit's not a frog yet.
  12. muppet_dk

    muppet_dk Well-Known Member

    I finally got around to do some screen graps of a this Super Grouch that was on Sesam Strasse. I've already reported this sighting to the Count by mail, I was then told that there already was a super grouch on Sesame Street and if i knew if it was the same character. Sadly I don't know if it's the same but maybe other will answer that question after I posted these pictures.

  13. The Count

    The Count Moderator Staff Member

    OK, some new business.
    a. Will change it to "Wontkins".
    b. The group from Tales of the Tinkerdee have already been changed to "S&F" designations, same reasoning behind Oswaldo not showing up as changed but trust me it has been taken care of.
    c. If there are two Super Grouch characters, one from SS Usa and another from SS Germany, I'd like to know also.
    d. The octopus from Octopus's Garden is already there from "SS" cause the song was done there on the first season.
    e. Muppet Commercial sounds good to me.
    f. As for the ones that appeard on the Ed Sullivan Show... how's about we label these under "Muppet Magic" since a blanket Ed Sullivan Show designation might give people the wrong impression and question why Topo Gigio isn't here on the list.
    Hope this helps answer some questions. Of course, the dangling loose threads are:
    1 The Story of Numberella.
    2 The grouch owners/trainers of the international worms from the Worm Olympic Games episodes.
    3 Spaceship Surprise: Planet CH.
    4 All animals from the Old MacDonald News Flash which ends with Kermit getting rolled into the exercise routine.
    Hope to get some leads/additions soon, remember only 18 are needed.
  14. MuppetDude

    MuppetDude Well-Known Member

    d) The octopus from ES is different; it's green with a yellow nose, a moustache, and mouth. The other one looks like an orange octopus with sleepy eyes.

    f) I'm not sure that's a good idea, since some ES clips didn't make it to the DVD, and could contain new additions. If someone says Topo is a Muppet, we can explain why he isn't.

    Muppet_dk, here's the Super Grouch that The Count's referring to:


    I can't tell from your pictures if this is a rebuilt Oscar puppet, or another grouch entirely.

    The animals I can remember from the News Flash are two pigs (dressed in tennis outfits), a swan and gosling (both wearing bathing caps; the gosling is made from the white duck puppet with flat lidless eyes), and a cow with a whistle and headband.
  15. The Count

    The Count Moderator Staff Member

    Well... The Swan from that sketch is already listed, and so is Eunice the Pig. Just thought the others would have names too. Can try to get that clip somewheres else (Justin) or wait till you guys get a hold of it. So, are there indeed two characters known as "Super Grouch"? And should they both be added as individual entries? As for your point Muppet Dude, how's about (Muppet Magic/Ed Sullivan)? The only worry I have is should this be considered a separate production for the stats?
    Hope to hear your thoughts soon.
  16. MuppetDude

    MuppetDude Well-Known Member

    I'm not satisfied with the new title either; to me, Muppets Magic refers to the title of a DVD, rather than all of the segments.

    As for being a separate production, the guest segments were done from 1966 to 1971; at the time, there weren't any TV series (besides SS, but most of the SS characters haven't been on ES, and the skits from ES differ from SS both in writing and humor.

    BTW, MacMuffin the Cow is also one of McDonald's pets.
  17. The Count

    The Count Moderator Staff Member

    Is it "McMuffin" or "MacMuffin" the Cow?
    Uh, the suggestion is to label them as Muppets Magic/Ed Sullivan. That way, the ones that were in the sketches on the DVD with that title are justified with the first part of the designation, and any other Muppets who showed up on ESS but not on the DVD are justified with the second part. Then again, I'm open to suggestions.
  18. MuppetDude

    MuppetDude Well-Known Member

    I'll have to get back with you on Wednesday for those.
  19. The Count

    The Count Moderator Staff Member

    *In Hedley Lamar voice: "Splendid, splendid!"
    So I take it Muppets Magic/Ed Sullivan is acceptable?
    And is it McMuffin or MacMuffin the Cow?
    Hope to hear from you soon or ASAP.
  20. muppet_dk

    muppet_dk Well-Known Member

    After seeing that other picture I would say that there are 2 super grouches. And you can list them individual.

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