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Muppet Peter Pan

Discussion in 'Muppet Merchandise' started by GRandolph, Jun 4, 2009.

  1. Wow! Thanks!

    I'd love to do some interiors, but the rub is my time. I'm swamped with all the duties on my own book right now, but if I can free up time down the road or can be offered something with a shorter commitment, I'd do it in a heartbeat.
  2. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Plus, I remember hearing you're not really a fan of the character. If anything I think your interpretation makes him look younger, and since they're lost boys that never grow up, it actually seemed fitting.

    Can't wait to see your art with Langride's scripts. Gonna be amazing!
  3. Amy

    Amy Well-Known Member

    That was what I figured, otherwise you'd have done one long ago!
    Trying to fit a whole Muppet story in among Mouse Guard commitments would be tough, even if someone else did the colouring.
    My workload is exclusively Boom! comics and it is seriously a full-time job. If it's not drawing interiors, there are always covers that need to be done.
    But still, it would be very neat if you drew a whole one some day, even if it's only a one-off special or something.
  4. dwmckim

    dwmckim Well-Known Member

    Wow - so you're left on your own for references? No one from Muppet Studios provided the folks at Boom! with any of the character style guides?
  5. Amy

    Amy Well-Known Member

    Well, it didn't surprise me all that much. Not everything Disney owns comes with a massive pre-prepared-and-approved model pack. How many Muppet comics have existed which are less than 20 years old? Not too many. There really IS no 'standardised' way of drawing the Muppets for comics. It's always been that way and the Boom! comics are clearly continuing that with each artist/creator using their own style.

    What Disney's Muppet Team keep a closer eye on is the writing - no surprise, with Jim Lewis a key figure on the team. While the art is important in that it has to be appealing and not too grotesque, they are very vigilant in making sure the characters are written authentically.
  6. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I just have to thank you, not only for the beautiful Pan art, but for the lack of vomiting frogs. What the heck was that about in Robin Hood?

    The Muppets were never really set up for products or comics. It's both a blessing and a curse. You've done very well with that. This is definitely one of the pieces Disney should tuck away to accompany their Muppet model sheets.

    I'd also like to remind people that Jim Henson did want a grown-up Muppet traditionally animated film drawn by Disney's artists. That was an idea he was kicking around right before he passed.
  7. dwmckim

    dwmckim Well-Known Member

    Oh, i love that the artists have their own styles and interpret the Muppets differently (i'm probably one of the few that would love to see Langridge go even wilder) - but the style guides are more refernence materials for artists - photos of all the Muppets, what they look like below the waist etc...if Boom was given a copy, then you'd have stuff like good reference photos of Pepe for example instead of spending time hunting stuff down on your own.
  8. Amy

    Amy Well-Known Member

    Exactly, the blessing is that the 'no reference' approach is partly what allows the very wide range of styles on the comics.
    Everything Disney produces of their own is simultaneously prepped for merchandising and licensing from the second it's created. That's how Disney rolls. They haven't owned the Muppets for that long and it seems they're rebuilding the franchise from the ground up, starting primarily with the puppets themselves. Doing reference material for print is probably a very low priority ;)

    Could I go more toony on Muppet comics? Possibly, if it didn't detract from a characters' inherent appeal. As we've seen on some comics, pushing a character too far can be very visually distracting and take a reader out of the story.
  9. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Well... I see your work as Disney cartoonish. Cartoony and animated, but it doesn't need to have much squash and stretch, the way Dave Alverz does. He has a very Looney Tunes style in his work, and it works quite well for him. Roger has a comix approach. Cartoony and cartoonish, but more in the style of a wacky comic book. The only artwork I have any real major concern with is the guy who did Robin Hood, and it feels that he didn't know what style he wanted. His Kermit and Gonzo look like he tried too hard to copy Langridge's among other things. Some characters were done very good, some just didn't work in his stylization.
  10. Leeway

    Leeway Member

    Actually my name is James Silvani. Nice to meet everyone. Just wanted to introduce myself. You can see some of my muppet art on my blog

  11. Amy

    Amy Well-Known Member

    I'm so sorry about that, James. Slip of the keyboard!
    Got caught up in all the Daves involved ;)
  12. Leeway

    Leeway Member

    No problem. It's like Dave-A-Palooza over at Boom!
  13. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    There's an interview with Grace Randolph at Tough Pigs... She mentions that she'd originally planned to have Tiger Lilly in these stories... I wonder who would have played her (Annie Sue? Spamela?). Interestingly, I never though about that character being included... I wondered if mermaids would but not her.
  14. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I think it would have been an originally designed character... a younger, female Swedish Chef.

    And here I was, thinking the Electric Mayhem was supposed to be the Indians.
  15. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    SO, am I the only one who got the last issue?

    I really did want Robin Hood to go on a bit longer, mainly because the comic was so chock full of expo that there was more lines of dialogue than in one of those manga about card game or monster fighting where they explain every move for 3 chapters...

    But Peter Pan, when it ended, I felt satisfied and wanting more at the same time. The ending, the entire 4th issue was a huge twist. And you can tell there was some more that just wouldn't have fit, but it didn't really need it and it smoothly flowed into a great finish.

    And I say what I've been saying the past 3 issues... Both the artist and writer are Piggy fans. She has the BEST lines in the entire mini-series. Not to say that the other characters weren't well written... there was so much muppet voice in here you can actually hear the voices by reading the dialogue alone. And looking at the delightfully Disney-esque art, it looked like it was an animated feature. I only wish there were more muppets so I could see Amy's spin on other characters.
  16. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I haven't seen the comics, but I agree. It's puzzling that there were only a few lost boys, and there should have been more monsters as the pirates.
  17. Amy

    Amy Well-Known Member

    Sorry, there are only so many hours in the day and so many dollars in my page rate ;p.
    Crowd scenes are fine for a one-off illustration but are a major headache when there are 22 pages to be done.
    Most comics are produced under VERY short schedules, there just isn't time or space to put in tons of B characters as cameos.
  18. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    If you don't mind my asking, how long does an average panel take to draw? I'm not a graphic novel artist, but know it must be a challenge filling a book with stellar art in a time crunch. I know it varries, but on average, how long does it take for the final uncolored ink?
  19. Amy

    Amy Well-Known Member

    It totally depends what's going on on the whole page.
    A page with lots of panels or large elaborate scenes will take longer to plan and draw than a page of, say, 3 panels of just talking heads.

    In an absolute pinch, I was producing entire issues (pencils to colour) in about 4-5 weeks, but that is NOT a typical example and my brain REALLY hurt by the time it was done ;)

    A more reasonable example would be the Muppet Show I'm drawing right now for Roger. I'm only pencilling and inking this story and it takes me about 3 weeks to do 22 pages. Again, we're on an unexpectedly tight schedule and I have to leave time for the colorist and letterer to do their part.

    But ultimately, don't take my examples as typical, as I have a rep for working fast.
    Ask Roger or Dave A and they might give you totally different timeframes. Everyone's comfort zone is different.
  20. Aaron Sparrow

    Aaron Sparrow Active Member

    Hi guys,

    I love that you guys are so passionate about our Muppets artists; I personally think we've got the most talented people in the industry doing these titles!

    If I may, however, I'd like to defend Armand's art on MUPPET ROBIN HOOD with a little peek behind the production curtain. It was Boom's first Muppet Fairy Tale, and early on in our collaboration with the Muppet Team, so there was a lot of confusion on that book. Armand was given direction to make his style more like Roger's (no mean feat, as brilliant as Roger is) and the book was extremely behind schedule, so he really had to modify his style with no time to practice it. I'm not sure he ever really had time to get comfortable with it; but I think he came through admirably considering the incredible pressures he was under.


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