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Need help for avenue q puppets replicas

Discussion in 'Puppet News' started by darkranth, Feb 22, 2008.

  1. Lab Rat

    Lab Rat Well-Known Member

  2. jcnegron

    jcnegron Well-Known Member

    Congratulations Lab-rat

    He is quite different actually.Takes a little to get accostumed to that. I think the original Rod was trying to be reminiscent of Bert (slightly in shape and mannerisms). It´s like if a completely different actor would be playing the part. But if that is the case with humans I don't see why not with puppets.

    Your Rod is very good-looking and I love the hair. And I think yours have more detail in the ears etc..
    Well done.

    PS. Love your other replicas
  3. Lab Rat

    Lab Rat Well-Known Member

    yeah it's weird when you are used to a look for a character then you see a different design, Trekkie will be red kate will be light purple etc.
  4. darkranth

    darkranth Well-Known Member

    I made a short video with photos of the making process of my replicas... Please tell me what you think...

    By the way, is blizzard fleece's a good choice for making puppet skin? Is it flexible as polar fleece? And also, can I undye (is this word exist?) it?

    Thanks for your help everybody!
  5. Teenager's

    Teenager's Well-Known Member

    That's a really cool vid so far darkranth!.....I like how they all look so far. Especially Trekkie. I like how you're carving them. Can't wait to see the finished puppets!
  6. jcnegron

    jcnegron Well-Known Member

    Hey Darkranth. Its still only foam, but I think that you achieved the likeness of Trekkie just perfectly.

    Just be aware that it could grow very large after you put the fake fur on it.
  7. darkranth

    darkranth Well-Known Member

    I was thinking of that too! I think the head is small so I tought it could grow with fur...
  8. Greedo

    Greedo Active Member

    If you read some of the interviews with Mr. Lyon on his Ave Q puppet color choices, it may be a big help. He chose the colors he did for many character reasons, like Trekkie and Kate's fur color (both are brown so as to identify their Monster heritage, but Trekkie is more raucous and wild than Kate, thus the tuft of maroon fuzz on his head).
    He hand-dyed the non-monster characters' fleeces. Nicky's nose color is the same as Princeton's orange color, Rod's nose color is the same as Nicky's green color, and Mrs. T's purple color is the same as Kate's eyelid color. Lucy the **** is bright pink with yellow hair to express her need for attracting attention to herself, and her eyelid color resembles Nicky's green color. The characters share colors to allude to the fact that everyone's connected to each other on the Avenue, in one way or another.

    And never forget their roots! Rod = Bert, Nicky = Ernie, Trekkie Monster = Cookie Monster. Good luck with everything!:)
  9. ravagefrackle

    ravagefrackle Well-Known Member

    I would imagine it has to do with Rick not wanting his work to be associated with , pardon the expression,"Lesser Quality Puppets", i know if it was my designs,and my characters that were being dublictaed. i wouldnt want puppets that are not of the quality i provide to be associated with my work in anyway.

    im sure Rick, and other designers feel the same way, we have all seen the less than stellar Rental Audrey Two puppets, some are great , but some are really poorly made.its just a way to safe guard an artist's reputaion,

    this is not in any way a slam against LapRat(who builds great puppets!) or anyone else building puppets for local shows, just a generalization.
  10. darkranth

    darkranth Well-Known Member

    If someone was redoing something I did, even in lower quality, I would feel glad because this person liked so much my work that he tried to do the same. But it depends. We should not encourage people duplicating your work for resell. But that's also a sign of admiration.
  11. ravagefrackle

    ravagefrackle Well-Known Member

    i think my point(not sure how clear i was), ist not the imitaion, or duplication that is at stake, its the perception that what is being present will to the uneductaed/untrained eye be seen as work done by the original craetor, when in fact it may not be, its aodd concept for sure,

    sort of like "Off" Brand cereal, or juice, it may taste ok, and even look ok, but its not your product of choice, and if its not a good juice, or cereal, but the labeling is the same, it would reflect poorly on that company, or invidivual, does that help?

    sort of like poorly made knock off toys, or appliances that you get a discount store. again this is not a slam against doing different looking puppets of high quality, im all for doing different puppets , i think it makes it afun show to work on when u are not stuck following the designs to the letter, im building some little shop of horror plants right now(on avery meager budget i might add) that looking nothing like Mrty Robinsons original, and i think the show is going to look really cool, and i think Labrats puppets are going to make for a very special production of Avenue Q,

    the whole idea of making them look different from the Lyon Puppets original, or the Authoriuzed Reproductions that im sure will come down the pike , is mostly a desire to protect a "Brand" , and nothing else,
  12. Greedo

    Greedo Active Member

    Imitation CAN be the highest form of flattery. It's wonderful practice for making original work, too. But it's definitely a slippery slope.
  13. darkranth

    darkranth Well-Known Member

    Anyway my goal is not to resell them its only for my own fun!
  14. ravagefrackle

    ravagefrackle Well-Known Member

    I see where the confusion lies, i wasnt really commenting on your replicas, i did the same thing sort of when i was a kid trying to teach my self how to do stuff,

    but it was about the conversation people were having about why Lab rat would have to make his puppets look different for the Q production he was working on
  15. darkranth

    darkranth Well-Known Member

    ok lol. I understand now...
  16. blemker

    blemker Member

    Well said. (I don't want to start arguments with others but...)

    I think this practice of replication/copying/inspiration (whatever you want to call it) is such a gray area in the creative arts and tends to be misunderstood by artists and inspiring artists. We must understand that although skills are often learned and practiced by replication, that replication (by definition) is still the copying of someone's work.

    To relate it to bigger business, this is why larger design companies in the fashion industry (purses, etc) pay millions of dollars to stop replications from being sold. These companies want and need to protect their product, their inspiration, their identities.

    As artists, we must work to understand that we have all learned by practicing and replicating but when we look to sell our services, our laborsl, we must sell ours alone -- not the work, designs or inspiration of others.

    Now to what extent does something stop being a copy and start being original work? That I think may never be answered but I do think that if someone says "that looks like" or "that is a likeness of" than it is way too close to the original.


  17. darkranth

    darkranth Well-Known Member

    Well said blemker...
    Copying for admiration is one thing. Copying for resell is an other. I think everybody here think like that.
  18. jcnegron

    jcnegron Well-Known Member

    Hey Lab Rat,

    I ran into this page of one special production of Avenue Q


    Is that the production you are building the puppets for? Well maybe you are not allowed to say, but your descriptions fit on that.

    But wait a minute, wait a minute! is that Nicky in your photo bucket? Ha ha ha, looks great! but that throws away what i just said..
  19. Lab Rat

    Lab Rat Well-Known Member

    yeah that is the production i'm doing the puppets for i didnt do the re designs the pics on that website are all i have to work with so i followed nicky and gave him black hair but cameron mackintosh said it was still to close so i gave him the blonde hair you see in the photobucket pic.
  20. Punch'n'Judy

    Punch'n'Judy Well-Known Member

    It's a small world hey. James Frost, a friend from the British Puppet Guild, is acting as puppetry tutor for it.

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