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New Muppet movie in development for potential 2013 release

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by Phillip, Apr 13, 2012.

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  1. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    On a technicality...

    MTM was redoing TMM, if in reverse. The whole trying to make it in the entertainment business... only with a big break up instead of everyone meeting each other.

    There are only so many plots out there, and there is no such thing as an entirely original idea that isn't batcrackers insane. I dunno about you, but I don't want to see a movie that's about a glasses case vomiting out staplers until the film slowly deteriorates and turns into a walrus. Every basic outline of a plot has been done before.

    No matter how different from GMC they make the film, it's still a film where the Muppets face off against a bad guy and rise up victoriously. And frankly, that's not just every Muppet Movie plot, that's like more than half of the plots of everything out there.

    The Muppets had a LOT of coincidentally similar threads to VMX. Some of it is eerily similar (referencing Kung Fu films, albeit in completely different ways), but some of it just manages to be similar because of the similar trope of some bad guy wanting something the good guys had... in both cases, Muppet real estate. Even if Stoller, Bobin, and Segal have never EVER seen VMX and were unaware of its existence, they couldn't help having the same exact sort of antagonist and plot in a movie because it's an old stand by.

    Unless they willfully copy GMC, or make an indirect sequel based on Nicky Holiday getting out of prison and wanting revenge on the Muppets, I don't think this could be a direct remake or direct copy of any kind, other than the fact that certain kinds of plot points will have similar threads to them... but then again, on a technicality, all Muppet Movies have that same thread to them.
  2. jvcarroll

    jvcarroll Well-Known Member

    You bring up a good point. Take-charge Kermit has been largely missing for the last 20 years. MCC, MTI and MWoO involved Kermit playing supporting roles in classic literature. VMX largely portrayed a world without Kermit's leadership and he was mostly along for the ride in MFS and LTS. Funny enough, until the last half of last year's TM, only the poorly received KSY portrays a take-charge Kermit. It's time the classic character dynamics come back in a modern setting. I also wanna see more of the Kermit and Fozzie duo. They're fantastic together.
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  3. Pinkflower7783

    Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member

    I wanna hear Kermit sing more in the next movie. He didn't really in IMO get to sing a lot this one.
  4. Avilos

    Avilos Well-Known Member

    That is true and there is obviously a symbolic reason for that. Whether by design or not. In the real world the Muppets have had no central leader since Jim's passing.

    It was said at the time that Kermit would slowly reintroduced as played by Steve. Which seemed to affect the types of projects developed. Also I think without constant projects a lot of the characterization of the whole group had been out of focus. While the viral videos and tv appearances have been nice. Its not the same as having full story and clear character roles.

    While during the 80s we saw a movie every few years and tv specials, etc. without constant new material. But it was the same group who had been doing the characters since The Muppet Show. Most of the post TMS stuff before Jim's death was essentially a spin=off of that show.

    Its been trickier in recent years. We had a group of mostly new performers who have not had a constant outlet to develop the characters.

    I am hopeful that is changing now. We have numerous tv appearances and a second film. Plus the new Muppeteers have had years to perfect taking on the classic characters.

    Now that Kermit took charge in TM I am sure we will see that in the future. It was kind of symbolic of the Muppets coming back to the limelight.
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  5. LouisTheOtter

    LouisTheOtter Well-Known Member

    Regarding "take-charge Kermit": The Muppets as a franchise are proof of the value of a great writing team, and I think this will be the true challenge for Bobin and Stoller in the next movie, since they won't be able to rely on Muppet fans' nostalgia nearly as much as they did for the previous movie.

    While it's true that a huge part of a character's success in a given project - or even a largely-improvised live setting like a promo interview - depends on the individual Muppeteer's comfort level with a character, I think the quality of the writing has a huge impact on a specific Muppet's ability to carry a scene or even an entire Muppet project, whether it's a feature film, a TV special/movie, or an album.

    I look to Jim Lewis as an example. I've been re-reading Before You Leap lately and part of the reason the book works so well is that Lewis not only recognizes and treasures the Muppet legacy, he has Kermit's breezy dialogue style - confident but not egotistical - down-pat. You really feel that every word is coming out of Kermit's mouth (and, in their cameo roles, the other Muppets' mouths). Similarly, A Green and Red Christmas scored for me as a Muppet project because all the characters acted like themselves, even though it was the first recording project with the "new wave" of talent (Vogel, Baretta, Jacobsen) in the traditional Muppets' roles. (Whitmire had already starred in 1994's Kermit Unpigged.)

    Now that Segel and Stoller have allowed Kermit to overcome his identity crisis within The Muppets, I'm very excited to see what Stoller and Bobin can do for him in the next movie, especially with Whitmire still playing him so enthusiastically in the recent round of promo spots for the theatrical and home releases of The Muppets.
  6. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    If they're going to re-do any of the movies, I'd rather GMC than a few other choices, hehe.
  7. Phillip

    Phillip Administrator Staff Member

    Jason Segel has confirmed that he will not appear in a cameo role in the next Muppet movie. (Of course we could have a secret "Man or Muppet" Jim Parsons type cameo surprise as well in the final film.)

    Let us know your thoughts.

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  8. Muppet fan 123

    Muppet fan 123 Well-Known Member

    OK. I'm glad. People would be curious then. And they would HAVE to make him "Gary" if he had a cameo. Thank goodness!

    He doesn't want to do it anymore anyway. So I won't miss him from the acting. We just need Walter!
  9. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    As long as Walter doesn't become a Cousin Oliver or something, lol.

    But seriously, I like the idea some people had here of pairing him with Scooter. I think that's kinda what they tried doing putting him with Bean Bunny in the Disney World special. Scooter's this teenager/young adult (never entirely sure, lol) who doesn't want to be treated like a child yet gets stuck taking care of the baby of the group, lol.
  10. zoebell

    zoebell Well-Known Member

    I think the press need to let it go on this Jason Segel thing. How much clearer can he be that he doesn't want to be involved anymore?
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  11. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    They'll let it go when there's something else to write about. ;)
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  12. Pinkflower7783

    Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member

    I thought this was all about the new muppet movie, not the Jason Segal movie. I mean good grief! Jason set out what he wanted to do and he did just that which was get the muppets back to where they belong. The press just doesn't know when to back off! I've been saying all along I don't wanna see Gary and Mary. Good grief! :mad:
  13. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    Like I say, they'd rather write over and over again about the same topic, than have nothing to write about at all. It's an effect of the 24 hour news cycle, they're afraid to be patient and wait for a story and instead just keep recycling news.
  14. Pinkflower7783

    Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member

    Like I said I wanna see Muppets that's all I wanna see in the next movie. More muppets and less people. Again I stress that's what Jim was so good at was making sure people only appeared briefly and the muppets shined the rest of the way.
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  15. Gonzo Fan

    Gonzo Fan New Member

    Still it was set up that him and Walter are brothers, so even if he isn't involved, I am still expecting his character to be referenced in the next movie. Maybe Walter would right letters to him, or have pictures of him around, but that should be as far as it goes.
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  16. Teheheman

    Teheheman Well-Known Member

    Personally, it seems kinda soon to release a sequel. I mean, I'm all for a Muppet sequel but the thing I fear is that, in order to have it done by next year, that they're gonna rush writing it and getting it made instead of having time to create a decent idea(Doesn't have to be original, but some sequels just seems rushed to squeeze every dime out of the franchise they can. Look at the Hangover. Hangover 1 was pretty good, but they just took the same idea and put it in Thailand. If they just waited a couple more years, had a better idea, they may have thought of something that wasn't the exact same plot as the first one).

  17. zoebell

    zoebell Well-Known Member

    i doubt that. the movies are all separate things, and all the muppets are playing roles in them, so water's "role" in this one was to be related to gary. in the next one he probably won't be
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  18. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    Still you simply don't always get the time you need. Casablanca was written on the set as it was filming, lol. Some of the Star Trek movies were written under tight deadlines. I'm not saying this new movie will be Casablanca or Star Trek II (nothing else is, lol), but a tight time schedule doesn't have to mean disaster.
  19. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    Heh, you know I never thought of that! After all Kermit and Fozzie are only twins in one movie. And Scooter apparently lost his job as the band's road manager, lol.
  20. newsmanfan

    newsmanfan Well-Known Member

    (1) What would you like to see as the plot in the new Muppet "comedy caper" type film?

    Heck, who cares, as long as it's well-thought-out with no gaping plotholes. Ridiculous bendings of the laws of physics are permissible, however...

    (2) What characters would you like to see have the leading roles?

    Gotta go with the core group: frog/pig, Gonzo, Fozzie, Scooter. Their relationships have matured to the point that even exploring the dynamics within the theatre troupe are absolutely fascinating...to me and a few others, I think, at least...

    (3) Do you want a Muppet villain (like in Muppets From Space, Letters to Santa and The Muppets) and if so who, or would you prefer the villain to be just a human role for one or more characters?

    Someone else here said the human villain/Muppet henchman is a good formula; I tend to agree, but I personally wonder just how Muppety the not-Uncle-Deadly Muppet Monsters really are...mwahh ha ha ha!

    (4) Whether they were in The Muppets or not, what five minor characters do you hope have a bigger role in the new movie?

    Man, am I the only one here who wants more Newsman?? Loved his bits in the film, and if he at least gets that much screentime (I AM including the deleted scenes, folks) then I'll be thrilled. Other than my dedicated journalist, I'd love much, much more Bunsen & Beaker! We NEED a subplot with them. Rizzo would be fun actually having some LINES. More Beauregard. And maybe throw in Van Neuter?

    (5) What style of music would you like for the new film? Are there any characters that you hope have a song in the new movie?

    Oh frog, anything but rap/pop. TMS explored so many different genres and made it ALL enjoyable! I agree with what seems like the majority, too: EM gotta play. One entire original song, please, with the masters of Mayhem!
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