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Respectful Politics Thread (Let's Just See)

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by jvcarroll, Apr 13, 2018.

  1. Pig's Laundry

    Pig's Laundry Well-Known Member

    Yep. That'll do it.

    I don't even think that's an issue of feminism. I think it comes from the age old idea of, "men should treat all women with respect, no matter what, because they need to be protected." Which some women use to try to take advantage of men.

    Also, very few rape accusations are found to be false.
     
  2. MWoO

    MWoO Well-Known Member

    The current figure is around 3% are found to be false, but tgat figure is misleading as around 3% are found to be proven false after investigation. The number implies that 97% of allegations are true, but there is a middle ground where nothing can be proven or disproven. There are far more (i don't have the number at the moment) that are found inconclusive, meaning no evidence supports the claim but no evidence dissproves the claim either. Those would be your classic he said she said cases. So the reality is, the true number of false claims is at least 3%, but possibly more that simply cant be proven false.
     
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  3. LittleJerry92

    LittleJerry92 Well-Known Member

    This is something I made recently because I feel like this just seems to be an ongoing issue with double standards in this world.

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    And I.e I mean stuff like “Oh, you’re a man! Your sexual harassment stories aren’t as bad as ours!” Or “You’re white! You don’t have it as hard as we do!” when they feel discriminated, etc.
     
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  4. MWoO

    MWoO Well-Known Member

    Too, memes! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems.
     
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  5. LittleJerry92

    LittleJerry92 Well-Known Member

    So I ended up making a video on my personal opinion on the #Metoo movement. Have a look and provide some feedback if you wish.

     
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  6. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I pretty much agree with your video, and even will add something that I've recently been losing a little bit of respect and support for MeToo because of how out of hand - not just with some people (mostly women) trying to make hugging a form of sexual harassment, and even conditioning little kids on it, but also because some women are now making a big issue out of chivalry, and basically saying men who are polite and mannerly to women are being sexist. Again, as a southern, chivalry was hammered into my growing up, and I instinctly behave mannerly around women . . . granted, I may be a little more "relaxed" around them if I know them personally or are friends, but I mean, I instinctly and habitually will hold a door open, or let someone walk ahead of me, or things like that simply because it's how I was raised . . . but now you're a bad guy and a sexist pig if you do that stuff?
     
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  7. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

  8. MuppetsRule

    MuppetsRule Well-Known Member

    This is what happens when people read the headlines and not the whole article. It's sloppy and lazy analysis, and often times, if not always, politically motivated. People's refunds are smaller this year because less money was taken out of their paychecks to begin with. Not, as the left and Dems would like you to believe, because the tax cut didnt apply to them and only to the rich.
     
  9. MWoO

    MWoO Well-Known Member

    Seriously.... do people not know how taxes work? If you lower taxes, you lower how much gets withheld. Therefore, less to return at the end of the year. Maybe people shouldnt use their tax return as a savings account and look at what they are getting each check and budget that way.

    This is why I am moving further and further away from the left this is a blatant false headline. I get it, Trump is a jerk, but people need to give credit where it is due. If you need to lie to get people to agree with you then you arent right about what you believe.
     
  10. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Wow. Just wow.

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  11. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Part of the problem is under this Trump economy, checks are getting smaller, and for some people, a tax return is almost kind of like a jump-start for their finances.
     
  12. MWoO

    MWoO Well-Known Member

    Whose checks are getting smaller?

    Checks get smaller because of income tax increase. Trump did not impose any income tax increases. Therefore, whose checks got smaller? Where did you get that info from? What study shows a decrease in take home pay due to federal taxes?

    As pointed out, tax REFUNDS are smaller, but also as was pointed out this is because less money was taken to begin with. If I take $100 a month from you, but give you back $1000 at the end of the year, then take $50 a month from you the following year and give you back $500 i didnt decrease your tax refund, you just paid less to start with. You cant get refunded what you didnt pay.

    If you want to argue against Trump in terms of taxes, then at least take on an anti tariff position. He imposed tariffs that United States citizens are paying, not China. This is, in and of itself, a tax increase. It is a tax increase whose purpose is to encourage the buying of domestic goods, but its still a tax increase. It hurts the US citizen as much as, if not more than, China.

    As for tax refunds being used as a means to jump start your finances, thats just bad financial planning. Thats what people do when they live beyond their means. Thats like counting on a bonus at work to pay your bills. Thats not the purpose of a bonus that is not guaranteed or changes year to year.

    Last year i lost my job and have a job now that pays less than half my previous salary. It sucks. Ive had to reduce a lot of things in my day to day life. I use to eat out a lot, now i dont. Ive learned to cook large batches of budget friendly meals and freeze them for the week. This includes some of my favorite take out gotos like pizza, sushi, indian food, etc. Cheaper to make than to order. I cut back on cable, canceled some subscription services, put off buying certain things i didnt need, had to conserve more, sold some stuff i didnt need anymore. It sucks. But its what you do. You live within your means. You try to spend money on assets with resell value instead of frivolities. You try not to incur debt. You lesrn the system and use it to your advantage when you can.

    There are people that buy coffee every day, 5 days a week. Even if its just 711 coffee thats 10 bucks each week, 40 a month, 480 bucks a year. Just on bad coffee, which isnt even good for their health. I am sure that if people really did the math and looked at their spending, the struggles many have can be overcome at least somewhat. Its hard, it means giving up certain luxuries, but that's life.

    I also get that other more serious expenses come into play. Medical bills can be high. Im lucky, at the moment i have no serious illness that I am aware of. My medical bills are basically zero. I know everyone isnt like that.

    Unfortunately, the medical industry is expensive. As harsh as it sounds, livibg doesnt guarantee free access to modern medicine. Healthcare is a commodity that requires work, research and money to provide. It costs money to create, so it costs money to use. Thats just life.
     
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  13. MuppetsRule

    MuppetsRule Well-Known Member

    Oh c'mon man. Your first premise that tax returns are smaller is proven false so you double down on another sketchy claim?
     
  14. LittleJerry92

    LittleJerry92 Well-Known Member

    So I recorded a satirical political debate video (but let's be honest; this is pretty much how they look anyway), and @D'Snowth helped animate this for me. Have a look if you want a good laugh.

     
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  15. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    For the record, I threw in the cheese and Thomas mainly just to troll Jerry. :p
     
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  16. LittleJerry92

    LittleJerry92 Well-Known Member

    Yeah, he did lol.
     
  17. MWoO

    MWoO Well-Known Member

    This is why political discussion seems pointless. An article is published with an inflamatory headline that is misleading. The article is proven to be mislesding and it is ponted out. Person who posted the article makes another unfounded claim without addressing the issue and is corrected. Someone posts a meme or pointless silly video (no offense) and nothing changes.

    Orange man bad. Even the few and far between positive things he did are evil. Lets pretend there is no such thing as compromise and middle ground.
     
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  18. LittleJerry92

    LittleJerry92 Well-Known Member

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    Nah, all good. My humor is pretty much Family Guy/South Park level and I just like poking fun at stuff in silly tounge and cheek humor.

    End of the day, you can’t please everyone and that’s fine. We’re human like that.
     
  19. LittleJerry92

    LittleJerry92 Well-Known Member

    But no, MWOO does make a point and this is why I personally just avoid debating with people.

    The thing is, people on both sides will listen to anything, and they aren’t gonna change their minds about it. I just kind of let people figure things out themselves when it comes to their own beliefs.

    Politics aren’t for everyone, especially those who clearly don’t do their research. But if I know they aren’t using politics to turn against people who aren’t hurting them in anyway whatsoever then I’m not going to hold a grudge.
     
  20. MWoO

    MWoO Well-Known Member

    I'm very interested to know what everyone thinks of the green new deal being proposed.
     


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