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Saturday Morning memories thread

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Xerus, May 7, 2008.

  1. bazooka_beak

    bazooka_beak Well-Known Member

    Disney is all about the money, so if the kiddies love their Zac Efron and Miley Cyrus, it's mostly what we'll get until the next big thing comes along :( Sad but true!

    Disney used to be a lot more "something for everyone" with their channel, but now it's dominated mostly by "tween" fare. I really miss the stuff they used to come out with, to be honest, so I know your pain, Red.
  2. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Which really gets me upset is that a POTC cartoon wouldn't even have been a risky investment. 3 Blockbuster movies, a MMORPG, and merchandise as far as the eye can see. It couldn't have been more of a sure thing if they called it "Adventures of Surething and the Safe Investment bunch!"

    Hey, at one point, they even considered a Robin Hood cartoon (something I'd love to have seen), and timeless a tale that was, it was a riskier investment.

    Somewhere down the line someone said "Hey, let's make a meh cartoon series, and shove a voice of one of the HSM cast into it instead."

    Geez... even Eisner kept the TV animation business brewing. Igor is MUCH MUCH MUCH worse.
  3. wwfpooh

    wwfpooh Well-Known Member

    But let's remember...Eisner stupidly CHOSE Igor as his replacement.
  4. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Stupidly? Sounds like he did it spitefully.:p If I were unwelcomed by a company, and treated like slime, and forced to leave, I'd vengefully put someone who would be destined to do a terrible job as my replacement.

    I swear, the WORST thing to happen to Saturday Mornings was when CBS put those Nick Jr. shows on instead of original programming. That was the beginning of the end for Saturday Mornings. Giving the message that one could just air stuff from cable affiliates instead of come up with original programming took jobs away from hundreds of animators and writers. I mean, it was fun when they had the regular Nicktoons for that year, but other than Hey Arnold and Pelswick, none of it was all that interresting.

    Ironically, CBS actually has 4 original cartoon shows, and a few reruns. but they aren't that good. Sushi Pack is okay, but had the original writers and creators did what they wanted to do, it would have been much, much better.
  5. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Nicktoons on CBS consisted of Arnold, Pelswick, All Growed Up, and As Told By Ginger. Other than Arnold and Pelswick we never got any of the FUN cartoons... plus Zim didn't even exist yet. Heck, Spongebob was just starting out when this happened.

    And the Nick Jr. line up consisted of Blue, Franklin, Little Bill and the like (I have no problem with Little Bill. in fact, I kinda liked it... but it was NO fat Albert). Eventually they killed off Nicktoons on CBS and just put back Nick Jr shows... that is up until 3 years ago when they started up "Secret Slumber Party" which was a co-production by DIC and American Greetings. It evolved into Kelwopolis a little later, and added a couple shows boys would actually enjoy.
  6. Redsonga

    Redsonga Well-Known Member

    Not that that is a bad thing :p. It's one of only things I have a reason to watch on the weekends, being as I like SSC and anything to do with horses or ponies (I know, girly girly OMG :p!) . Although I wish they would show the much better made 80's SSC and My Little Pony, and the classic Care Bears in place of the CGI remake. Or at least mix showing the old with the new, to show that more can be done with the series plots to the new generation than what they seem limited to now (mostly going to the mall, OMG does he like me? soap opera, or non-anything actually happening plots)
  7. Redsonga

    Redsonga Well-Known Member

    Well, a show and its website are two different things totally. A show should not be seen as bad just because its site is buggy and full of moody people...
    Like I said before, one of the sites I have been a member of for 11 years now off and on is a My Little Pony one, and when it does have flame wars they are the most awful I have ever seen online...But those have never made me think less of my toy collection or the cartoon:excited:.
  8. Redsonga

    Redsonga Well-Known Member

    My Little Pony Tales was early 90's.:)..It's my least favorite because they made the ponies humans walking on two legs most of the time :p. I loved them being horsey, darn it!:p The theme song was really cool though :D! I wish the ponies themselves in the series were not only made in the UK though :(. But at least I finally got Patch ^.^

    Anyway, No Heart is my favorite villain (I had this weird love hate love of his voice :3), I actually dislike Shreeky because I never saw the later episodes where she was put in (she was a much later character) until a few years ago. It really made No Heart look nothing like the villain I was use to (the most dangerous of the Care Bear villains IMHO, even worst than Coldheart)

    Oh, the 80's MLP art was the best watercolor I've ever seen on boxart, I have been trying to ask around to see who is the artist Hasbro hired to do the drawings for years now ...
  9. Redsonga

    Redsonga Well-Known Member

    My favorite version of the theme is the movies' :excited:, it makes me cry when I hear it it is so much a part of me :).
    It is weird that the Tales ponies were never sold here when everyone I know liked it...I would have so begged for a Clover:coy:.

    Don't worry, I have all of the first series on the DVD boxset now..It is a shame they used the tv edited versions that cut out songs for time though, but I have copies of the unedited ones I burned to ^.~
  10. Redsonga

    Redsonga Well-Known Member

    I was the other way I thought the toys were much more detailed than the cartoon ever was even though I love the cartoon... This is my childhood herd after all (most of it, I forgot to add two or three. I still have all of them though). And I don't care what anyone says, my new nearly finished boy herd (you can tell by the hoofs) is handsome :3! But, I am one to talk, I went to the pony con two years ago ;)
  11. Redsonga

    Redsonga Well-Known Member

    It was in San Francisco in the summertime :).
    But back to the morning cartoons...The 2nd set of the Smurfs is out now:D!
  12. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Personally, I DO think its a bad thing, because it imposes gender roles. I love gender neutral cartoons, myself. Even PPG was gender neutral, dispite having girls as the stars. Of course, Care Bears is pretty gender neutral, even though girls prefer it more. Before I turned 5, I actually was all over the girly shows... only because the colors kept me happy. It's a shameful thing that I denounce as an adult, though...

    But Mr. Beastly was the best thing about Care Bears, and anyone who says different is a dirty communist!
  13. ryhoyarbie

    ryhoyarbie Well-Known Member

    I don't know if this thread needs to be animated shows, but since we're talking about saturday morning shows, remember TNBC in the mid to late 90's?

    Here's one of the shows I watched when I was in high school.

  14. Redsonga

    Redsonga Well-Known Member

    Roles nothing, I just liked what I liked and that was that, I really don't think it is anything shameful to just let little kids be whatever they want. It's not the shows that make them like something or not it is their character to start with IMHO.

    I have always loved animals and ponies and things, it was a natural attraction to me and I see nothing shameful about it. Some people just fit within part of the roles at some level by nature...

    To act like dark things are more mature or that the only shows worth watching are perfectly balanced is as bad as saying only little girls can like girly things or relate to a show that has all girl characters IMHO.

    I may be a diehard pony girl but I watched GI Joe and TMNT all the time and loved them, and those are often seen as stereotypical boy gender role shows...

    Personally I think the whole 'Oh noes, genderroles' debate is a little overblown, because in the end it all rests on the parent about if they will or won't only limit their boys or girls viewing and playing to just girl's shows or boys toys.

    And in the end people should not ,I think, force their views on children if they are playing with girly girl or many boy toys and like it of their own free will as chances are they will like some not stereotypical shows to on their own to...

    I just don't think making it so much of an issue that they feel shame ether way when they are older is the best thing...

    I mean, I love girly cartoons even now but I collect comic books and play video games, all and all I would say I am well balanced and I know many others that are to...

    I honestly hate debate about genderroles because it takes the power of ones individuality to rule over how shows effect them out of the equation much more than the debaters say the bad shows do in the first place IMHO..It make my head hurt:sympathy:

    No Heart and Beastly came years before Shreeky though :p. Honestly she was made to be their lackey...

    Liking pretty colors and girly cartoons is not shameful, it never was :).
  15. Xerus

    Xerus Well-Known Member

    I remember in the classic Transformers cartoons, they later added some female Autobots to the series, which I thought was cool.

    And I thought Jem was really cool cartoon series with lots of neat songs and interesting stories.
  16. Xerus

    Xerus Well-Known Member

    I remember in the Garfield Gets Real movie, some executives didn't want to produce a cartoon about Garfield because they thought he'd set a bad example for overweight children. They wanted to do a cartoon about a muscular dog and cat who like body building to get lazy obese kids to start exercising. Garfield asks, "But are they funny?"

    It's like Jim Davis and his crew were joking on the state of today's cartoons.
  17. Redsonga

    Redsonga Well-Known Member

    I think it is cool when they at least added a couple female characters to the 'boy' cartoons:). I liked when they did that in Beast Wars (my favorite Transformers series).

    I love Jem, it was a very hip series for its time, it is too bad it got ended before the writer could actually end the plotline like she wanted..Rio never did find out about her :(
  18. Xerus

    Xerus Well-Known Member

    I thought about that too. It was like Superman and Lois Lane. Only in Jem, it was a girl who was trying to decide about revealing her secret identity to a guy.
  19. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    There are a surprisingly high number of TMNT fangirls. And I will say, it had, and always did have a positive female role model in April O'Neil (though sometimes it seems that she cared more about getting a story than the safety of the turtles)... She was like their mother/bigger sister figure (and Donny sort of had a crush on her, even now)

    Lemme just say how ridiculous it is for a boy's cartoon to have to include a positive female role model, and girl's cartoons don't have to do squat. Heck, I've seen a lot of girl's cartoons without a positive FEMALE role model. Check out Bratz... all those girls are vapid bimbos that care about fashion, and very little else. Didn't matter if they tried to shoe horn in morals that seemed oddly placed. It was a bad influence.

    Of course, I'm not so much ashamed of liking girls shows... just those sort of based off a greeting card type things from the 80's. I recall reading an interview with the guy who drew the Robotman strip (he didn't create Robotman, he was just hired to draw and write it), and he was upset the animated version of Robotman came out the way it did, and not like the comic strip he was commissioned to do. And it's a real shame, since even when it was skewed to children, the comic strip was brilliant.

    That said, there is one show sort of like that from Japan that I really like... you might like it too. It's called Anpanman... it's sort of like Strawberry Shortcake or Care Bears, but with a lot more depth. And a whole lot more psychadellic. It's about this super hero whose head is made out of bean paste filled bread, and his head is actually edible, and he gives lost and starving people a little piece of it. Sounds creepy, but it comes across really cute. And then there's this villain called Baikinman, whose a little germ that looks like a fly, and he has this sister Dokin-chan. it's almost like Mr. Beastly and Shriek, only Baikinman is his own boss, and Dokin-chan is extremely sweet to everyone...everyone else but her brother... and she's really childish... so, you may wanna check it out on youtube if you want.
  20. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    Absolutely I loved the Turtles and so did other girls I knew!

    That's a very good point. I mean it's important for teach boys to respect women. But it's just as important to teach girls to respect themselves!

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