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Sesame Workshop Trying To Have It Both Ways(Bert/Ernie issue)

Discussion in 'Sesame Street' started by beaker, Nov 1, 2011.

  1. beaker Well-Known Member

    BRILLIANT! Man I swear you are the best kept braintrust here.

    That makes so much sense. If Christians are mostly upset or unhappy with the "gay lifestyle" in their mind as being some random hookup party 24/7, why not support stable monogomous gay marriages? Um, I cannot tell you how many stories Ive heard of
    and seen of gay and lesbian couples together 5, 10, sometimes 30-40 freaking years before they can get married legally. Lets see the straight statistics on that!

    Heck, a lot of modern long term gay couples seem almost conservative to me. Modest homes, well to do income brackets...why wouldnt the GOP court these guys during election time?

    Oh...the "my beliefs tell me gay people are wrong". Well Christian Identity church members believe Blacks and Jews are the children of the devil. They have every right to believe it of course, but you know.
  2. heralde Well-Known Member

    Oh yeah I didn't say equal. Just innocent, lol.
  3. heralde Well-Known Member

    I have to admit I had wondered the same thing myself.

    But bottom line, it's not only because of the hooking up image. People decide they don't like something, they don't like something. They don't need a reason.
  4. beaker Well-Known Member

    I see no evidence of God or Christ, but if people genuinely feel such a thing exists and itinspires them in a positive life then I fully support that. This world needs more personal inspiration and reflection. Which to me makes me wonder...what kind of "God of love" would see two happily together, monogomous
    loving people(two men or two women) and think "oh these wretched sinners!"

    If I was God or Christ I'd be more upset with hypocrites, mean spirited, judgemental people.

    I do not and will never support multiple wives/husbands/polygamy, and simply feel the law should state marriage to be with two consenting adults 18 and over. I dont believe in pre arranged marriages or marriages involving minors. and the "Slippery slope to a man and a horse is inevitable" argument feels lame that some give. People who say that marriage is a religious ceremony somehow get silent when it comes to Reno and Vegas chapels and 24 hour lasting marriages like Britney Spears and the INSANE divorce rate of straight people.
  5. heralde Well-Known Member

    Jesus was like that. He despises the hypocrisy he saw from the religious leaders. And he wasn't into judging people, but rather embracing them, even the ones who did bad things. But such an attitude is very hard for most of us to maintain. That's why it's so amazing. :)

    Me neither, it's inherently unequal.

    Well to be fair there are conservatives who complain about the corruption of celebrities too.
  6. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I don't see why the Log Cabin Republicans group (homosexual conservatives) don't stand up for themselves more often. I loved when they actually called for DADT to be repealed when other conservatives were making up baloney about it not being safe for the soldiers or something like that. I'm not going into the crap armor they got and how dangerously unequipped they were, but that stuff matters a LOT more than who can be gay and blow stuff up. I'd love them to just come out and say, "be cool, man. Stop scapegoating us for votes and just scapegoat liberals instead like we do." To quote Stan Smith, "Hating the gays is wasting hate we could use on the Democrats."
  7. beaker Well-Known Member

    Virtually all the Democrats recently voted lock stock and barrel alongside the Republicans to give Obama and our wonderful leaders the ability to go further than Bush ever did with big brother and tyranical police state actions...in concert of course with appropriating hundreds of billions dollars more to blow up brown people and give the sponsors of our "enemies" more money. Nation Defense Reauthorization act I think is what it was called.

    To me Dems and Repubs are two peas of the same pod...to me this throwing a bone or two to gay rights(repealing DADT) is like racist war monger LBJ signing into law some civil rights acts to distract from his real agenda. Oh gee! Gays can now openly serve as cannon fodder for globalist/corporate interests. Let us rejoice!
  8. heralde Well-Known Member

    Yeah I know. Sometimes I wonder why oppressed groups would even WANT to be treated like the rest of us, lol.
  9. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I feel the bill was passed to the sounds of the entire LGBT community unanimously mumbling, "....wait a minute!"
  10. GonzoLeaper Active Member

    There's also Queequeg and Ishmael in Herman Melville's "Moby-Dick" back in the 1800s- but both were straight. I don't know of any outrage over that... there was a time when you did have those kinds of things and no one thought much about it- a more innocent time like heralde said.
  11. GonzoLeaper Active Member

    Just to make clear- I don't like when people decide what is and isn't God's judgment. All I can say on natural disasters and disease, etc. is that it happens to everyone and it is the result of the fallen world we live in. I do believe God passes out judgment but He also extends grace and mercy. I personally find it pretty horrible to almost gleefully look at the death of Michael Jeter and Richard Hunt and act like they got the punishment they deserve for being gay. It is sad when anyone dies and I only hope they had true peace with God through Christ- but I certainly don't take pleasure in anyone's death and I don't think Christians or anyone else should. (As God says in Ezekiel 18:23 " 'Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked?' declares the Sovereign Lord. 'Rather, am I not pleased when they turn from their ways and live?' " Note that this verse is in the context of the Old Testament when the only way of following God was through obedience to The Law. In the New Testament, we have the death and Resurrection of Jesus Christ to fulfill the requirements of The Law- which sets us free from its penalty for breaking it, but also sets us free to truly live in Christ and obey Him out of love and gratitude.)
  12. GonzoLeaper Active Member

    Two quick things here. One, Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses may call themselves Christians, but I would call them cults as they add to God's Word and alter it and do not believe fully in the deity of Jesus Christ. (or at all.) Not saying anyone did, but I would ask that people be careful about lumping all those who claim the name of Christ together- the same as we should with Muslims, Hindus and any other religion or group of people, etc.
    Also, and I'm not denying this but curious, what countries have hunted down, imprisoned and killed homosexuals? I have heard of Uganda passing very stringent laws regarding this but I am not sure of any other African nations beyond that and no Carribean nations. Of course, it is kind of unfair to call any country truly "Christian"- of course, I wish everyone in the world knew Christ as Savior, but we can't really say an entire country is necessarily Christian or any other religion. People must be free to choose what they will believe about God.
  13. GonzoLeaper Active Member

    Again- and please don't take this the wrong way as I don't want to stereotype anyone and I mean no disrespect or ill-content by it-I'm just curious on this- but why exactly are terms like "colorful, musical and vaudevillian" associated with gays or considered "gay-friendly"? Why is the rainbow associated with homosexuals for that matter? (And while we're at it, why are there so many songs about rainbows? And what's on the other side?:))
    Can straight people not also be colorful, musical and vaudevillian?
    And I don't really have an issue with people identifying with homosexuality working on Muppet productions and such, like the aforementioned Mr. Hunt. I may not agree with homosexuality, but I still enjoy his work in Muppet productions. Just like I love a lot of Elton John's songs. I mean, there are a lot of actors and musicians, etc. whose personal lives I don't agree with in many mores, but I still appreciate their God-given talent and enjoy their work.
  14. GonzoLeaper Active Member

    For the record, as a Christian, I do support anti-bullying efforts. Certainly no one should be bullied for any reason. I definitely don't want to see kids feel and/or get harassed, be alienated, get beat up and attempt suicide and possibly even succeed in that effort. That is incredibly sad to see. And that is definitely wrong- just as wrong as homosexuality and any other sin. Of course, I would tell people it gets eternally better with Jesus because He loves you as you are and He died on the cross to pay for every sin ever committed, or being committed or will be committed. And He rose again to prove He's God. And when we trust Him as Savior, we are rescued from a descent into Hades and instead have an eternal home with Him in Heaven.
    As I said earlier, temptation comes to everyone and we all deal with it on some level. But Christ's grace is sufficient for us even in our weakness.
  15. heralde Well-Known Member

    I know this isn't exactly what you meant, but can you see that homosexual people would consider it hurtful to be called something like "wicked?" Especially when, like most people, they love their families, adopt small animals and take responsibility in society by holding down a job? ;)

    And can we really be surprised that gay kids are bullied if we teach other kids that what they're doing is "wicked?"

    Plus remember that is God passing judgment in that statement. Not a human being. Because it's not up to us to judge others. Just ourselves.
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  16. GonzoLeaper Active Member

    I imagine anyone would consider it hurtful to be called something like "wicked". However, that is God's call there. And He says that homosexuality is a sin, just as lying is a sin. A perpetual liar also gets bullied with phrases like "liar, liar- pants on fire" (and yes- I know that is nothing compared to the level of bullying gay kids get)- but I was just saying that bullying can happen for a number of reasons.
    As I said before, bullying is deplorable and wrong for whatever reason. And it's just as wicked as any other sin. And I'm not calling anyone wicked- but there are some actions and thoughts that God does call wicked and I simply affirm what He says. And if anything, I identify as one of the wicked who still falls and sins and only clings to Jesus' grace shown through His death and Resurrection for forgiveness. And in the verse I quoted, God is not passing judgment- He's entreating those who indulge in sin to repent and turn to Him.
  17. heralde Well-Known Member

    And again I have to ask, how does my being attracted to men make me a good person?

    Of course he's passing judgment. He's labeling certain actions as wicked; that is a judgment call. And only God is allowed to do it. Not you. You can't just say "I'm simply affirming God's word." There's no loop hole here. ;) God wants you to worry about your own failings and not point out why you think others are wrong.
  18. Sgt Floyd Well-Known Member

    Well, if you want to get real technical about it, the whole judgement thing is that only God can say for sure if someone makes it to heaven in the afterlife. If we are not allowed to judge period, saying someones shirt is nice is still judging, and would be a sin.
  19. heralde Well-Known Member

    Ha ha. ;)
  20. Sgt Floyd Well-Known Member

    My only point is the bible contradicts itself. I'm not a literal believer of the bible :coy:

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