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Should Sesame Street continue?

Discussion in 'Sesame Street' started by Katzi428, Dec 1, 2012.

  1. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    The problem is, everything else on children's TV is like that now anyway. Like I always say, Sesame Street doesn't intentionally "dumb" itself down, rather there's a black hole created by Nick Jr. and Disney Jr. shows that drags the rest of children's television down with it. I hate the fact they have an adapt or die attitude, but that's why the show's been on longer than anything else made for children.

    The only other thing I can think of that lasted nearly as long is Scooby-Doo (even though it hasn't exactly been in production as constantly as Sesame is) and that changed formats multiple times as well, but always manages to go back to the original format. And despite what everyone says, Scrappy-Doo actually saved the show's sagging ratings. That's right! Scooby wouldn't have lasted as long as it did without everyone's least favorite character. I can't think of a better parallel... the block format that we don't like brought the ratings back up and most of them were the older demographic that Sesame Street lost in the 00's.

    And you have to look at it this way, before they decided on the block format, the show was almost reverting back to its original form, or close enough to it. Season 39 shook off most of the changes brought about in 2002. They even had the cast members announce the letters and number of the day, often fitting into the main story's plot. Too bad that didn't last, but I doubt that's the last we'll see of it. No change on Sesame Street has been permanent. If they can get rid of Elmo's World, there's hope yet.
  2. Katzi428

    Katzi428 Well-Known Member

    Well if they don't get anyone to fill Kevin Clash's shoes as far as Elmo goes, then Elmo's World (now Elmo The Musical) will be gone.
    I thought of something the other day (but forgot to mention it) There are kids diagnosed with ADD (Attention Deficit Disorder) Risking myself again with the "Back In My Day " buuttt Kids weren't diagnosed with that. (Then again doctors & other professionals know more now) Sesame Street jumping from one thing from to another every 15 minutes isn't helping ADD kids. They're just settled into one segment & then BOOM! It's over!
  3. SSLFan

    SSLFan Well-Known Member

    Should Sesame Street continue?

    Yes, yes it should.
  4. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    By that logic, you could say the same for the older episodes going from one thing to another every 2 minutes. The older episodes did have a problem going back and forth from longer to shorter segments. Look at "Hey Cow, I see you Now." That's 7 minutes long and it comes on with little or no warning depending on the episode (the first episode manages to lead into it), and then it cuts to a shorter cartoon about counting dots. I remember getting antsy at some of the longer segments that weren't Muppets, catchy songs, or animations. Still happens to me today, classic or current episodes. It seems to be a problem they always had. But that jumping around from thing to thing was what made Sesame Street unique.

    As for Elmo... there's no doubt they have an understudy. Even if that wasn't the case, they've filmed a good portion through season 44, so unless they were filming ETM segments last, I'm pretty sure they have enough to rerun over and over for the next couple seasons.
  5. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    The saying Elmo is bigger then one person explains everything that Sesame feels about Elmo. I however don't believe that Elmo is bigger then one person.
  6. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Elmo's freaking bigger than the company! I skipped right from TV show. I kinda think it's best if the character were to lay low for a while, but people are still grabbing up Elmo stuff. Not to mention a bit of season 44 has already been filmed. It's not until that second half where we'd see much of a change if any.
  7. Mo Frackle

    Mo Frackle Well-Known Member

    Not to be harsh, but since Bob, Susan, and others haven't really been on SS that often in recent seasons, will kids really notice their absence? Don't get me wrong, I love Bob, Susan, and the others, but it's not like the old days where a good handful of cast members were seen in each episode. Mr. Hooper was on the street frequently, so his sudden absence needed to be explained. Same goes for David.
  8. KGJC

    KGJC Well-Known Member

    I wonder if Sesame Street will ever make all there Muppets go CGI animated to save money. IF that did happen I'd be sad. :(.
  9. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    That's the Fleeting Demographic rule. Kids don't know or care much for characters that aren't on often, unlike us who grew up with them. On the one hand, it is pretty sad that kids don't have the same connection, but they have their own characters they connect to. We've seen Hooper's store change hands multiple times. This next generation will only know it from Alan and Chris. And that's pretty stable considering how many hands it changed in the 90's.

    Other than the short lived Twiddlebug revamp and Abby's Flying School (which is no different from Ernie and Bert claymation segments), we're not going to see that any time soon. Sesame Workshop knows that, while Sesame would have been a good children's show anyway, it wouldn't have lasted 5 years, let alone 40 without the Muppets. Even though Jim is erroneously credited with the series, and often times was given a lot more credit than he really did, he did shape the show. Out of respect, SW is keeping the Muppets as Muppets (except for special occasions, like Elmo's Alphabet Challenge). Heck, Disney gave them the distinct honor of letting them still call the characters Muppets. Henson didn't even get that privilege.
  10. Muppet fan 123

    Muppet fan 123 Well-Known Member

    I miss the humans. Some of them were really great. I wasn't as big of a fan back then as I am now, but they really are great and they're so dedicated to the show.
    I don't like that they've been phased out a lot recently, but I think a lot of characters have been phased out with this whole Elmo craze . :(
  11. muppetlover123

    muppetlover123 Well-Known Member

    i hope it goes til at least 50
  12. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I never really bought the "characters being phased out because of Elmo" meme. It all had to do with puppeteer availability. Cookie, Bert and Grover were appearing less because Frank was. Eric and David brought the characters back. Cookie's pretty much the character you'll see most next to Elmo in merchandising and personal appearances, Grover on the show. Like I said, Super Grover got a Balloon in the Macy's Parade, Elmo didn't. The only characters that were really phased out are ones that haven't been recast yet, or ones the writers just can't write material for somehow. If you look at it, we've seen more classic characters come back, if anything. Too bad some of the comebacks aren't permanent.

    But the human actors, that's another story. There's the argument that they're focusing on the younger actors, even though Gordon is quite prominent, as is Maria from time to time. But I guess that also has to do with availability. The actress playing Susan also teaches (I don't know if she still does or not), and I'm sure Bob has a private life as well. Besides, they're not going to be around forever. You can recast a Muppet, you can recast kids, and they did recast Gordon twice, but you just can't recast people who have been on the show forever.
  13. Katzi428

    Katzi428 Well-Known Member

    Dr. Tooth (tooth...ouch!...er..never mind) you make a good point in letting the Muppets still be called Muppets despite Jim Henson being gone & Kermit & Co. being sold to Disney.
  14. Muppet fan 123

    Muppet fan 123 Well-Known Member

    Plus it refers to them as Muppets on Sesamestreet.org. Check the top of the page/
  15. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    Well that was definitely part of it. But I don't recall any of the newer characters geting their own segment in the show like Elmo's World. ;)
  16. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Most Muppets had their own segments. Difference is they weren't that long, nor did most of them last that long. We tend to forget, Letter of the Day was Cookie Monster exclusive, and Number of the Day was The Count's segment when they first did them as segments. Let's not forger Journey to Ernie, a Big Bird vehicle. The only major characters on the show currently to not get a segment were Telly, Baby Bear, and Zoe. Even Oscar had the short lived Trash Gordon. Grover even had 2.
  17. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    OK fair enough, I admit I'm not as up on 1990's-Present Sesame Street. But I do think once Tickle Me Elmo became a huge hit on Black Fridays the creators did lean in a certain direction.
  18. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Elmo's popularity was starting to show just before the Tickle Doll. But that can be attributed to the recent decision to drop the Around the Corner setting and most of the characters, the age group demographic starting to swing towards Elmo's 3 1/2 year old age, and the lack of certain puppeteer's availability. This also lead to Telly and Baby Bear being bigger characters.

    But everyone seems to forget, after Tickle Me Elmo, there was the slightly less popular but still huge hit Sing and Snore Ernie that lead to a huge popularity bump in Ernie. He even had a recurring segment, Ernie's Show and Tell. Of course, poor Bert was left out in the cold.
  19. MrBloogarFoobly

    MrBloogarFoobly Well-Known Member

    Steve Whitmire & Eric Jacobson do a great job with Piggy and Kermit, but I don't think the Ernie/Bert dynamic can be imitated as easily. That was a Henson/Oz dynamic, unique to their friendship.
  20. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Eric and Steve have been doing as good a job. They wouldn't be better as one team or another because they're the same people. The real problem was the Steve and Frank dynamic. They were both in top form, but there was some stumbling block of chemistry.

    But that's not why I put that point forward. Ernie became almost as popular as Elmo around that time. And just think, the character is so old, he existed before Sesame Street was a TV show. You know that was on the right track. Sad thing is, Cookie didn't get an epic Christmas season toy. Grover's Super Grover 2,0 is supposedly a hot gift this season, but I've never seen anything to prove that.

    That's not to say that those two characters aren't back. Remember, what character wanted to be on SNL and had an audition tape? Cookie. Who had a viral video parody that was a hit? Both Cookie and Grover.

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