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So you want to audition for the Muppets?

Discussion in 'Puppet News' started by Sweetums74, Jul 29, 2005.

  1. Kynan Barker

    Kynan Barker Well-Known Member

    That's like saying, the puppets all have to have laser-guided missiles, because Disney is planning an event where the puppets all have laser-guided missiles.

    Of course pre-recording is possible, it just means getting Disney to adjust their plans is all.
  2. Was Once Ernie

    Was Once Ernie Well-Known Member

    While you're at it, could you move the moon a little to the left? It keeps shining in my window.

  3. Kynan Barker

    Kynan Barker Well-Known Member

    And so we come to the central problem: THIS JOB IS TOO HARD!

    "Disney's too big to fight."
    "We're too small to make a difference."
    "I'm too tired to care."

    Guys, we know this is a huge thing to take on, but we went ahead and took it on anyway. Why? Because we care. The Muppets mean a huge amount to us, and we don't want to see them ruined by one stupid mistake. If that means we're naive, so be it. If that means we're in over our heads, okay. If that means we wind up fighting, a small group of us against the biggest media corporation in the history of the world, well, I've started doing my five push-ups a day.

    But you know what disappoints me? The fact that other Muppet fans would make fun of us for even trying. So what if you don't believe in our cause? So what if you just want to do the Banana Sketch and you don't understand our crazy tire-eating ways? At least give us credit for believing in something and standing up for our belief.

    What One Muppet, One Voice needs is more frogs and dogs and bears and chickens -- and whoever -- to stand up for what they believe in, too. We're prepared to take as much crap from Disney as we need to before our voices are heard. But our fight's with Disney, not with Muppet fans, who should be the first to applaud anyone for having a dream and chasing it.

  4. OverUnderAround

    OverUnderAround Well-Known Member

    I see your point of view.
    But honestly you are trying to kill the pastry chef before he even makes the cake.

    Let's taste the cake first and see if it is sour... then and only then if the product is truly sour will all Muppet fans complain, not before.
  5. a_Mickey_Muppet

    a_Mickey_Muppet Well-Known Member

    Dorthy: dude seriesly stop!
  6. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member


    It is Kynan's right to share his opinion!! I support his decision to fight against this. He might have a different opinion than others of us who are going to the auditions, but that is his right. He is still a fellow Muppets fan, and so is still our friend!

    Likewise, I would expect that, while disagreeing with our going, he would respect the decision of the auditioneers (is that even a word?) to go try this!

    I've always appreciated MC for the fact that we can share opinions and ideas without belittling each other for it--so let's continue to discuss things rationally, please.

    When it all boils down, we all love the same characters, the same performers, none more than the other, and we're all family here.
  7. Was Once Ernie

    Was Once Ernie Well-Known Member

    Plus, if you can't make jokes on a Muppet forum, then THAT is truly sad.

    :p <---- Not sticking his tongue out, just a picture of Ernie
  8. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member

    :o <----Sticking his tongue out behind his hat.

    Yeah, I like to tease, so hopefully by now (what is it? 6 years now??) everybody knows what to take as serious from me, and what not to. I mean, if you don't learn someone in 6 years, you won't ever get to know them.
  9. mummytomb

    mummytomb Well-Known Member

    I think oodles of you forget the fact that :sleep: and :boo: have been voiced by several. Even (Dare I say) the original Miss Piggy (Lee) has had a voice change in the midst of The Muppet Show.
    Jim was alive, well, and in charge. Those of you who are saying the Muppets can't change are limitting them.
    Keeping them within expressive boundaries.

    Pepe is a big star for the Muppets now because he's still an original spontanious character.
    You should notice Steve W's desire to perform Rizzo. Check out the commentary on MFS. He's Kermit for the first five minutes. The rest of the movie is commentary from Rizzo and Gonzo. He just isn't as expressive with Kermit.

    I guess what I'm getting at is this: I'm glad the audition is an Improv one. You will be seen (hopefully) improvising that character. This is the chance to Make the Muppets feel natural. Not to simply sound the same(again, hopefully).

    In all that, I guess I helped arguements on both sides. The struggle continues...
    "Grinch, Grinch, Grinch."
  10. Luke

    Luke Well-Known Member

    You are talking about the change of puppeteer of the actual main Muppet character, MHC are just auditioning in for stand-in's on a local level using replica puppets - it's a completely different thing.
  11. a_Mickey_Muppet

    a_Mickey_Muppet Well-Known Member

    Yeah I dont know about anyone else here but I'm kindda gettin offended by this Kynan kid. Telling us that One Voice stuff this and that and to the ones who wana audition, like me, he's practickly saying "dont audition", wich kinda gets me steamed
    (steamed shrimp. oh pass that cocktail - statler and waldorf, IVMMCM) I'm NOT saying I hate tha kid but this "One Voice" stuff is just gettin to me and I know some ones gonna say "well dont read it", but ya really cant help it... its ALL OVER most of the threads! sorry to vent like this but its just getting.......... old. 1 hes HAS NO idea what Disney plans on doing and 2nd He (by the looks of his posts) is from the other side of the world, and i KNOW hes a muppets fan like us but he wont be seeing these "wana be" Muppets. and Fozz man, my buddy ol pal, I know EVERY one here is aloud to voice what they think, oh and GOOD luck to you and HOPE you get the "Main Part" (Fozzie Lion) - - Yes! lol that WAS a pun 4 you! hehe.
  12. Kynan Barker

    Kynan Barker Well-Known Member

    I replied to this message over in the Save The Muppets thread. I don't know if I'm supposed to do this, but since this message was posted in both threads, I'll reply here as well -- KB

    Hey Mickey Muppet. If you've got any questions about the campaign, you should feel free to address me personally. I'm really sorry you've been bothered by the two threads this discussion has come up in. I'm really not trying to discourage anybody from auditioning, I'm just encouraging everybody to let Disney know how they feel about these plans.

    All I know is what I see, and even from the other side of the world, I can see Disney taking away the thing that makes the Muppets special. That gets me steamed, and that's why I've helped start the One Muppet, One Voice campaign. I hope you understand that I'm not trying to offend anyone, I'm just after some reassurance from Disney that the characters I love will stay true to themselves, in spirit and in voice.

    -- the Kynan kid
  13. Kimp the Shrimp

    Kimp the Shrimp Well-Known Member

    Right on fight the Aussie Haters LOL :crazy: :attitude: :)
  14. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member

    I want to see a character in the movies named "The Kynan Kid." A western of sorts, set in modern days where the characters are all dressed in 1800's style and drive around the city on horses and wagons (while everybody else is in buses and cars)! Gun fights break out...they even have a showdown in the middle of main-street at noon...while rush-hour lunchtime traffic is going on (so they have to dodge the cars)!!

    What do you all think? Funny?? Should I start writing, or just forget about it? (I already know who I wanna have as the star: Crocodile Kynan!)

    :zany: <---(Me)
  15. mummytomb

    mummytomb Well-Known Member

    I'm only saying, People are getting in a huff about the characters only having one voice. In a perfect world the performers would never die, and they would never get tired of doing it. As it stands, we have no cure for either. The whole stand in thing seems necessary. Learn as much as you can while the performers are still alive.

    These "back up Performers" will need to practice in front of an audience evenually. You have to have the pressure of the live crowd. It's showbusiness.

    ...and a money thing.
  16. OverUnderAround

    OverUnderAround Well-Known Member

    If you have followed this long thread, you know how Kynan and a few others feel about these auditions. But it made me think, Kevin Clash was in charge of these auditions, so I guess he's in favor of them? Of course Disney might have said he had to be there if he wanted to keep his job, but I don't think Disney would do that to him. If Kevin had been against these auditions he could have told Disney to find someone else to run these auditions. He has enough power for them to listen to him.

    Yet still, the grand lady herself, Jane Henson showed up at the audition. And she doesn't work for Disney. So if she was there, I'm guessing these auditions meet with her approval, and that says a lot.


    Here's another thought. Since one of the characters they are casting for is Kermit. What if they find a great Kermit puppeteer and he has a small hand? The top of Kermit’s head would be sort of "Floppy and soggy like" with a small-handed puppeteer since Kermit is the only Muppet that has no internal head structure. Only a large hand will fill up Kermit's head. I hope those casting consider that.

  17. Kynan Barker

    Kynan Barker Well-Known Member

    Kevin's presence at the auditions isn't necessarily an endorsement. He may just be making the best of a bad thing. If Disney's plan was going ahead no matter what, then anyone in Kevin's position would want to at least ensure top quality.

    And yes, the dangers of small-handed puppeteers weigh heavily on us all.
  18. propologist

    propologist Well-Known Member

    "Here's another thought. Since one of the characters they are casting for is Kermit. What if they find a great Kermit puppeteer and he has a small hand? The top of Kermit’s head would be sort of "Floppy and soggy like" with a small-handed puppeteer since Kermit is the only Muppet that has no internal head structure. Only a large hand will fill up Kermit's head. I hope those casting consider that."

    Well thats not totally correct, having had a real kermit on my arm. They actualy do have a foam insert that can be placed in the head for a smaller hand. But that was for use when Mr.Whitmire can not be in two places at once.
    As for me having it on my arm-- no I have not done any on screen puppeteering with it nor any other of the muppets.

  19. MGov

    MGov Well-Known Member

    I've waited to reply to this thread. Mostly to give myself time to come up with a way to say what I want without being insulting to other people here.

    Despite how some people feel, the Muppets are a business. I've seen it written and said about Jim Henson that he thought of the Muppets as a means to eventually do the things he really wanted to do (like directing and producing films).

    It's also been said (and seen) that Jim Henson had no qualms about people seeing him put a Muppet on his hand, perform and then toss the Muppet in a box. He respected puppetry but wasn't one to treat the puppets themselves as something too precious.

    If Jim Henson had lived, he would be 69 years old this Saturday. Would he still be performing Kermit at that age? We'll never know. Frank Oz at 8 years younger has moved on.

    Like I said, the Muppets are a business. And businesses that don't grow and adapt become stagnant and die. Disney learned that lesson in the seventies and eighties. So I think anything they do that helps perpetuate the Muppets has to at least be given a chance. If it fails, if it doesn't make money, then it will end.

    And there are an awful lot of things going on the world (hurricanes, wars, missing children, poverty) that are much more important and much more worthy of the effort than whether or not some dork on a cruiseship is the "real" Fozzie Bear.

    And I use the word "dork" with the hope that I will be that dork.
  20. mummytomb

    mummytomb Well-Known Member

    Hear, Hear!

    Dorks with a common cause!
    I love it.

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