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Discussion in 'Puppet News' started by Sweetums74, Jul 29, 2005.
That's why I was surprised when I was told that more people didn't show up for the audition.
I think one has to take into account a few things for that low turn out.
1) Disney auditions for these types of shows several times during the year (if I am correct) so that might account for a low turnout.
2) Most actors being how they are prefer to be seen and heard, and if they had auditioned for this they would neither be seen nor heard. So they would keep away.
This Muppet audition on the other hand is very rare.
I have heard of many, many hundreds showing up at Muppet auditions years ago.
I''m finally going to post in this thread, after reading it for ages.
I just want to ask, does this idea make anyone except for me and Kynan nervous? Cause thinking about the whole multiple-characters thing seems rather unsettling.
I'm not talking about the semantics, or if it's right or wrong, and not to dredge up any bad feelings or anything, I know it's a good work opportunity for alot of people. But it does make me rather uncomfortable, I don't like the idea.
Never fear, Mrs P, there are others like out there. We've been talking about it a lot at Tough Pigs, in this thread:
...and I've received a lot of e-mail feedback via www.SaveTheMuppets.com.
People's natural excitement about the auditions has overshadowed our concerns to a degree. But One Muppet, One Voice has attracted a lot of attention, and not just among Muppet fans, either. There's a lot of quiet support in a lot of places.
Well said at savethemuppets.com. Disney prostitutes their own characters, why would we expect any different. If only we could go back to days of Walt and Jim when quality and loyalty to character meant something, no matter how much money was to be gained or lost.
Well, then I was wrong to have read into what I felt was the *tone* of your post. But when you direct a statement at someone like this: "It bothers me that passing yourself off as Kermit could count as positive prior experience for this job" -- anyone else reading that tell me that doesn't sound rather negative... harsh, even?
I seriously doubt Disney will sic their legal watchdogs on me -- for one thing, the times I've publicly performed Kermit in the past were all before Disney owned the rights. For another, I just don't think they would care about something so insignificant.
Sheesh... never heard anyone get so defensive over Disney before. They're the big nasty corporation, not me.
Many Kermit performances I've done were parody as well (those involving the ping pong ball eyeballs), and parody falls outside the boundaries of copyright laws. I guarantee you Conan O'Brien didn't get permission to do his "vomiting Kermit" character.
Back to topic, even if I were able to attend any of the three auditions, knowning now that they're requiring a committment involving such extensive travel, I believe I'd have to pass on this audition. I don't think some of the people posting in this thread realize just how extensive that is -- especially the cruise performances, which could potentially keep you away from home for months at a time.
I just spent the last 4 years on the road with a few different music groups, and I got married in June. No more touring for me, unless it allowed for my wife to travel w/ me. It was easier to commit to that when I was single, and it was a blast.
But you can't start a family and give them the support they need when you're on the road full-time. And family's more important than the Muppets.
As for the "One Voice, One Muppet" debate -- I would actually support Disney wanting to use the Muppets for various live events around the globe, particularly for their theme parks and the cruises. I don't think it will "dilute" any character enough for it to be noticable. Only a limited number of audiences will ever see or hear these live performances, and I doubt the individuals chosen from these auditions will ever achieve much notariety. Heck, 98% of the world doesn't even know who Kevin Clash is.
The ones performing the Muppet characters currently simply have too much of a workload already to be able to do appearances like Disney is apparently planning.
Also keep in mind that WB fans have argued the same thing about the Looney Tunes characters since Mel Blanc died. Warners won't do "one voice, one character" to keep any one actor from claiming exclusivity or any kind of official status as "the voice" of any particular character. Disney has retained better consistency w/ the voices of their characters, but that was primarily out of necessity -- makes it easier for them in production when the same actors voice the same characters. That doesn't seem to be the case w/ the Muppets.
My issue with all this is Disney b*stardizing the Muppets characters by overusing them to promote the Disney Channel and other pointless crap.
Ah, cool. I read the Tough Pigs message board once in awhile, but I hadn't seen this. I would join but I don't like the idea of haivng my name plastered on the top of all of my posts.
I just want to wish the best to all the possibly
hundreds of attendees going to these auditions.
We're gonna rock!!!!
I don't care for it either, I don't feel this is right at all. When this was first posted it appeared they were auditioning for either new characters or for people to perform the characters that don't have performers anymore. I'm glad I decided not to call, I'm personally much more content to go my own way and do my own projects.
Came across this thread while killin time waitin for a response in another one. Heh..long read.
Wow this sounds like a true once-in-a-lifetime opportunity at a dream job for many of you. Wish you all Good Luck!!
Anyway what I wanted to say that I kinda wouldn't mind being a fly on the wall. This would probably make great TV a la the American Idol (hmm..maybe bad example) or Last Comic Standing audition segments. As long as they did it respectfully (more documentary, less reality show), I would love to see the talented & creative puppeteers (both amateur & pro) in these forums as they practice their craft and demonstrate their improv skills.
Especially if they go for this guy --->
I havent really posted in a while but i did want to say that i support the "Save The Muppets" campaign. Even though i do wish all the auditionees from here the very best of luck (if they are gonna do this, may as well be devoted muppet fans who get the gig - especially Kev!) i do think its a REALLY bad idea to assign "stand in" performers for the main Muppet characters. It would take a lot of the magic away that the Muppets have had and i think all the points raised on the website are spot on - i've heard plenty of people do Muppet impersonations over the years and though there are some good people out there it is just never the same and never would be. It's an injustice to the main Muppeteers that have worked their characters for so many years that a person could easily go away from a sub-standard cruise ship performance thinking that is the REAL Gonzo, Kermit etc and it wasnt as good as they've seen on TV. Anyone who's seen one of the main Muppeteers perform in person knows its fantastic. I'm not trashing the people who'll audition but obviously they won't have anywhere near the level of experience as Steve Whitmire etc.
I can see the business reasons behind this, and that the MHC want to get the characters in the public domain more for people to see BUT there are other ways to do this - more live satellite links, a world tour (starting broadway, as was planned) of a theatre show starring the main Muppeteers and that could also play dates on the cruise ships. Even the Simpsons cast did a tour for their anniversary and look how busy they are - i don't think the main Muppeteers schedules are THAT busy, even with the stuff MHC has planned for them to not be able to get out there and do more appearances .... it's all just down to saving money.
If they are going to go ahead with this regardless then i think it's imperitive they don't go as far as they're planning and just have these "stand-in's" lip-sync to a tape of the main Muppeteer, only have about two of these puppeteers per character and have them train rigerously to achieve a decent understanding of how each character moves and interacts physically, and also make sure the Muppet never appears anywhere at the same time as any other version, including the main one. Not that i'm saying it'd be acceptable to me if they do this stuff - i'd rather have "one muppet".
Not stating my opinion at all just a thought... with sesame street live they use prerecorded voices. Somebody suggested lip syncing too.... maybe that would be a way that would offend less fans for the muppets
Not possible. It's not the same kind of "live" event. The kind Disney is apparently planning involves audience interaction.
Audio recorded voice tracks aren't a better answer because the performer is only paid once for their performance in that case, and then it's used over and over again. Animatronics, which was mentioned in the past as a way to keep from having new puppteers or performers, is also a bad idea because that takes the puppeteer out of "puppeteering."
I don't even care for that animatronic Kermit at the end of Muppetvision 3D... and that was JIM operating him. It looks too mechanical, if you'll pardon the pun. And I KNOW you will. Hehe.
As many as I have credited to my name, I have to pardon ALL puns!!
One day I need to unleash the horrors of my jokes which, I feel, are Fozzie inspired! They're horrible, but the longer you think about 'em, the funnier they become.
new but want to try out
I am new to the Muppet Central Forum and also new at being a Professional puppeteer (4 years) I was a teacher before that and used puppets in a live siduation all day everyday to entertain and educate my way through the day.
I of course have found my inspiration from the muppets being a huge fan all my life.
It is a dream to be able to go down to LA and try out for a part even though my voices are limited. I know my Improv is really on.
After reading the thread I am feeling a little intimidated
Welcome to the forum, Penelope!!
Don't feel intimidated! Everyone is great in their own way, I am sure of it. Just have fun with it, and you'll do fine.
It's a better answer for the characters, and that's what One Voice, One Muppet is all about.
In this case, the characters would all be programmed by their performers. Using an alternate puppeteer takes the key performer out of the performance altogether!
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