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Steve Whitmire has left the Muppets, Matt Vogel to continue as Kermit

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by GonzoMan, Jul 10, 2017.

  1. JimAndFrank

    JimAndFrank Well-Known Member

    As far as TM2015 goes, I always figured that Kermit's story arc was going to be finding himself again in a world that is so different from the way things were when he was running The Muppet Show. So I accepted his 'bitterness' because I honestly thought the writers were going to take him through a genuine process.

    As for outside of the show, I never found Steve's performance of Kermit to be depressing. He was always fun in guest appearances and the like, and if Kermit was in fact annoyed or otherwise, it was generally justified.
     
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  2. Oscarfan

    Oscarfan Well-Known Member

    I can imagine Kermit being a little more beat down in M15. On TMS, he was pretty much dealing with these crazies for the first time. Now, he's got 40+ years of dealing with them. He's naturally gonna be a little more weary of their antics.
     
  3. Daffyfan2003

    Daffyfan2003 Well-Known Member

    Well, I guess they didn't want to reuse the same storyline from VMX though I have noticed both plots did seem quite similar.
     
  4. Censored

    Censored Well-Known Member

    I always thought the cool thing about Muppets is that they don't get burnt out like people.
     
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  5. ChickyBoy37

    ChickyBoy37 Well-Known Member

    It's pretty interesting how Peter linz Took over Robin but I'm curious to Here Eric's performance as the Newsman
     
  6. xSunnyEclipse

    xSunnyEclipse Well-Known Member

    He did perform The Newsman during the Hollywood Bowl and there was a clip but I couldn't find anywhere.

    It's okay, but it's basically Guy Smiley.

    I'm not a fan of Peter's Robin because it kind of sounded like Robin had a bad cold or was going through puberty lol.
     
  7. Muppetboy09

    Muppetboy09 Well-Known Member

    An excerpt from an interview with Frank Oz:
     
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  8. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    So, Frank does like Steve, he just didn't like him as Kermit?
     
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  9. ErinAardvark

    ErinAardvark Well-Known Member

    Sounds like it. I know I've had that feeling about several characters who has ever had a voice change over the years, and not just Kermit.
     
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  10. Censored

    Censored Well-Known Member

    Makes sense. Steve did fine with other characters in the past. Kermit just seemed to go to his head.
     
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  11. xSunnyEclipse

    xSunnyEclipse Well-Known Member

    I don't think Frank hated Steve as Kermit, I think it's more of he took over Jim's character which I would completely understand.

    But if read that article more, down below Frank said he respects everyone that's taken over his or others' characters.

    But I'm glad to see that Frank doesn't necessary hate Steve as a person and understands what he was fighting for. If you read the article, Frank talks about the integrity of the characters as well.

    Side note: I forgot to post this, but a while ago Terri Hardin (former performer) was on this podcast talking about her career with The Muppets and other things, and she also talked about Steve and how she understood what he was fighting for as well. It's nice to see some people standing up for him ya know.

     
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  12. ChickyBoy37

    ChickyBoy37 Well-Known Member

    That's pretty interesting
     
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  13. Muppetboy09

    Muppetboy09 Well-Known Member

    I'm not taking sides, but it is heartwarming to see former performers speaking highly of Steve's intentions. At least we know it wasn't ALL bad blood.
     
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  14. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I think Frank has actually validated both sides of the argument:

    He's validated those who have sided with Disney all these years (you know who I'm talking about) by acknowledging that Disney does seem to genuinely love the Muppets as much as anyone does, but also acknowledges what others here (including myself) have been saying that they just don't know what to do with them. Similarly, he's also validated those who have sided with Steve by acknowledging that Steve has been fighting for the integrity of the characters (which I do genuinely believe), but that in a business environment, it probably wasn't a wise thing for him to do.
     
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  15. Censored

    Censored Well-Known Member

    Steve may have been fighting for "his version of integrity for the Muppets." That doesn't mean it was the correct interpretation of how the Muppets are supposed to be. The Hensons were fighting for the integrity of the Muppets as well.
     
  16. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    I'm glad Frank said that, that was good of him considering all the bashing Steve has been dealing with. And yes, he has known Steve a long time, and as an adult. Whereas, like I've said before, the Henson children didn't know Steve in the same way. In any case, this does seem to have largely been a business disagreement.
     
  17. Daffyfan2003

    Daffyfan2003 Well-Known Member

    Plus if Frank didn't like Steve, why would he have returned on occasion to play Bert to Steve's Ernie from time to time on SS even after Bert was recast? Something to think about.
     
  18. Censored

    Censored Well-Known Member

    True. People who work together always like one another.
     
  19. rexcrk

    rexcrk Well-Known Member

    I’m still interested to hear what the other current performers think, especially Dave. But I can understand why it would be best if they stayed silent.
     
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  20. Muppetboy09

    Muppetboy09 Well-Known Member

    I think the only time we will ever hear something from the performers is once they depart from the Muppets.
     
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