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The Charlie Brown and Snoopy Thread!

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by D'Snowth, Jan 8, 2010.

  1. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member


    Oh, yeah. They got extremely experimental, then Schulz died and they became extremely safe. And focused on Rerun for some reason. I've never seen Pied Piper, but have heard bad things. I think that was intentionally supposed to be juvenile.

    But the ones I really dislike (and someone's gonna chew me out for this) are the "This is America" series. Except the one about NASA. That one's actually pretty good. But that they have completely watered down schtick to "accurately" portray historical events takes away the appeal of the Peanuts characters. They're brand of somehow hilarious and adorable neuroticism just doesn't fit with historical content. The Thanksgiving one, especially. Seems like they're either yelling at each other in a way that's played for drama or infodumping what's going on.
     
  2. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    It seems like the recent Metlife commercials with the Peanuts characters aren't that funny, either (I can't remember if the older ones from Schultz's lifetime were, but at least the ones I can remember were enjoyable). Like one where Lucy suggests that insurance be 5 cents, and Charlie Brown agrees.... It is interesting that those two are agreeing, but I think most children (and adults) would want something expensive to cost that low. Somehow I think that commercial would have been funnier if it was adults wanting it to cost 5 cents (ironically, it seems a lot of Peanuts humor comes from the kids acting a bit adult).

    So Met Life is something important and many of their commercials aren't exactly humorous. I think there are some commercials that are supposed to be to the point, with Snoopy showing up at the end (when the announcer talks about it) and the Linus and Lucy theme plays.... But sadly, it sounds like a more "serious" rendition of the song, not the great bouncy tune it is.
     
  3. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    That seems to be more of a shallow attempt at The Office style humor, actually. I dig it, myself. Better than most of these "I saw the Office, once" type office humor commercials.

    What I want to know is what the heck happened to the Met Life commercial with all those cartoon characters in it? It had Voltron and Fat Albert, among others. That was epic.
     
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  4. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member


    I don't care much for This is America, either. I like the ones involving NASA, the Smithsonian, and music (those last two feature some funny inside jokes about the strip).

    Speaking of This is America Charlie Brown, Warner Home Video is finally releasing the whole series on DVD. I assume it'll get a retail release. And it's unfair, This is America gets two DVD releases, but The Charlie Brown and Snoopy Show only gets released on DVD via Warner Archives (as well as individual episodes on those single-disc releases pairing them with specials that are available on other DVDs). That was a better show. In fact I'm puzzled that any Peanuts release would be released by Warner Archives. I'd think Peanuts was a well-known-enough brand for any release (whether the production is good or bad) to be available at retail.
     
  5. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Any company that isn't Shout or Mill Creek just hates the heck out of releasing stuff on DVD. Especially box sets. Paramount, when it had the license, would release any and everything the Peanuts did. WB just wanted to release the Christmas special several times. We never got a set of 80's TV specials, we never got rereleases of the movies... they just dumped some episodes on kiddy disks (because they think flooding the market with not that cheap 15 dollar 3 episode disks won't kill the DVD market).

    I can't say I'm not completely disappointed in how they released those. At least when Fox released the Garfield and Friends show, they were completely committed to it. The WHOLE series, minus a couple Binky shorts.
     
  6. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Yeah, Paramount even released stuff like The Big Stuffed Dog and some of the anniversary specials. The only "regular" special Paramount didn't release was You're in the Superbowl Charlie Brown (are the distribution rights owned by a different company?). Paramount also didn't release the 50th anniversary special hosted by Whoopi Goldberg, not sure if that's owned by a different company but I heard that that one won't get a video release because of certain rights issues.

    It's a shame Paramount hasn't released Race for Your Life or Bon Voyage on DVD. I think Paramount still owns the distribution rights to those films. Those may be the weakest of the Peanuts movies but they should still put them all on DVD.


    And except for the last season theme, though that's because they used international master tapes and the last season theme was exclusive to the US. I know that most fans as well as the crew hate that theme, but it would have been great if they'd included it as a bonus feature for completists sake.

    And Fox also released almost all of the specials on DVD, except for Happy Birthday Garfield. I guess that comes from Fox deciding to include three specials per DVD and the total number of Garfield specials not being dividable by three. I know that that special was released on VHS.
     
  7. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    In It's the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown, there's that scene where Charlie Brown tells Lucy that he's been invited to Violet's Halloween party, and she brings his spirits down by pointing out that there were two lists, one to invite and one not to invite, and that Charlie Brown must have been put on the wrong list. But then that list is never brought up again and Violet never seems to have a problem with him being at the party (maybe Violet did intend on putting him on the list after all). So what I wonder is, was that scene based on a strip?

    Also, he says that it's the first time he was ever invited to a party. So Linus wouldn't have at least invited him to a party (assuming Linus had a party, at the very least a birthday party)?
     
  8. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    Lucy was just being cheeky, as usual.

    Well, with Linus it's probably just understood that he's invited. But Charlie Brown's the type to only see the negative. :p
     
  9. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Last night I watched I Want a Dog for Christmas Charlie Brown, and some things seem odd due to the fact that everything is based on a speciffic strip, particularly ones that might not have been meant to be seen back-to-back.

    Like in one scene, Rerun tells Lucy and Linus that when other kids ask if he has the brother with the blanket and the crazy sister he claims he's an only child, then right afterwards talks about having a contest with the other kids about having crabby sisters and winning it. So he said he was an only child right before telling them that he basically bragged about having the crabbiest sister?

    And later Rerun asks Charlie Brown if Snoopy can come out to play, then when Charlie comes in Snoopy runs out, they play, then Snoopy comes back in and Charlie Brown says that he couldn't find him, and then Rerun again asks if Snoopy can play, before Charlie Brown can even come back inside.
     
  10. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I just read that Race for Your Life, Charlie Brown and Bon Voyage, Charlie Brown are both coming to DVD this year. Race for Your Life (plus rereleases of A Boy Named Charlie Brown and Snoopy Come Home) comes to DVD in February, while Bon Voyage comes later this year.

    I was reading about them at TV Tropes, and it mentions that most fans consider those two to be the best Peanuts films. That might be a matter of opinion, but really? I like the first two a lot better. These two (Bon Voyage a lot more so) seem kind of dull to me.

    I also read that there's a rumor that 65th anniversary DVD releases of the specials will be coming out, but as the news has only been mentioned at wikipedia with no source, it's most likely just a rumor. Too bad. The rumor was that there'd be an anniversary box set featuring every special.
     
  11. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    There's going to be another collection of specials of Emmy Winning or nominated variety.

    Now, of note, these 11 specials include "She's a Good Skate," the special with the distinction of having adults talk and being voiced by Marcia Wallace to boot (hopefully in the full, original version, and not the hacked up piece of crap ABC airs). Also included is the one where they meet the girl with cancer, also known as the very depressing one that drops the Peanuts usual tone.

    Some of these have been released before, but some of them haven't. The companion piece to "Bon Voyage, and Don't Come Back" is also included, though it's only really good if you watch the movie first. Even then, it does come off like a few deleted scenes if anything.
     
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  12. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Wow, I didn't know Marcia Wallace was in that special.

    I'm sure it won't be the current edited-for-television version. Most video releases of the specials are uncut, with some exceptions (Coca-Cola plugs in A Charlie Brown Christmas, some of Peppermint Patty's original lines in It's Your First Kiss, Charlie Brown).

    Wow, most of those specials came out in the 1980s. It's almost as if they want to do an '80s-themed set. Though some of those specials were made in the 1970s, and I'm surprised there's no 1960s specials (I would have thought that A Charlie Brown Christmas or It's the Great Pumpkin were at least nominated).
     
  13. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I was looking at the Peanuts animation website, which lists what's included in the upcoming "Emmy specials" collection, as well as whether something was nominated or won, and only one of the included specials actually won.

    I mentioned that this seems like an honorary "1980s collection", as only a few from the 1970s and nothing from the 1960s is included. And I saw that most of the '60s specials were at least nominated (and several of the '70s specials were). It looks like all of the half-hour '80s specials are included (it helps that they were all nominated for Emmy's), and even though most of them are currently on DVD, I don't have most of them (I have the 1960s and 1970s collections, but none of the single-disc releases). If you only got the decades releases and skipped the single-disc releases, then there's not going to be much double-dipping here.

    Somehow I'm thinking they must have decided not to include the holiday specials. Or maybe they actually want to be considerate and not give us another release of the most-popular specials for the hundredth time (that number's an exaggeration).

    I looked at a list of what specials have been nomianted for Emmy's, and saw several of the documentaries and anniversary specials were nominated or won. It's too bad none of those are included, though I'm not sure whether Warner has the video rights to any of those (I think some of them were released on VHS from Paramount, and I've read that the 50th anniversary special has issues keeping it from getting a video release).
     
  14. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I've noticed how Peppermint Patty and Marcie both have crushes on Charlie Brown, yet Charlie Brown doesn't show much interest. It seems like he's annoyed by Peppermint Patty's affection, but is he oblivious to Marcie's? I feel like Marcie would be a better match for Charlie Brown than Peppermint Patty.

    And yet in Race for Your Life, Charlie Brown, there's that scene where Peppermint Patty dances with Snoopy (she seems to also have a little crush on Snoopy) while Marcie dances with Franklin, and then Charlie Brown wonders if any girls will ask him to dance. Too bad the two that do like him that way were already dancing with others.
     
  15. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I've never really noticed much crushing coming from Marcie as I have Peppermint Patty; I don't think it's so much that Charlie Brown is annoyed by Peppermint Patty's crushing (though he does show some) as it is he only has eyes for the Little Red-Haired Girl.
     
  16. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Marcie being shy and subtle drops hints once in a while. Pep is usually the one who's more forward with it. I can't remember specific examples except for the rare special "A Charlie Brown Celebration" where Chuck is in the hospital and visiting hours are over and Pep and Marcie have to yell things from outside his window. Marcie says "we love you, Chuck." There's another one I can't remember.
     
  17. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Yeah, Marcie keeps talking about her crush on Charlie Brown to Peppermint Patty, including a comment that she hopes Charlie Brown asks him to the prom when they're older, and Peppermint Patty takes her to the hospital, thinking there;s something wrong with her (despite Patty having a crush on Chuck as well... Maybe she was just trying to get Marcie out of the way?).

    It bothers me a little how the animated adaptation of "You're a Good Man, Charlie Brown" had to use Marcie in place of Patty in a scene where she tells Charlie Brown that she's giving Valentines to every boy she likes, only to kill Charlie Brown's hopes when she reveals that the one with the initials "C.B." are for a different kid. I feel like that's one scene that should have just kept in Patty. I even think Peppermint Patty could have fit that scene (despite her being more direct in her crush on Charlie Brown).


    Well, Charlie Brown also had a crush on Peggy Jean, who liked him back (and Charlie wasn't too shy to talk to her). There was also a girl he liked who was in his dance class, I think her name was Emily, she actually invited him to a dance sometime later and he was happy to accept. And of course there's the girl he likes in Someday You'll Find Her, Charlie Brown, and the girl he and Linus compete for in You're in the Super Bowl, Charlie Brown.

    Man, for Charlie Brown being a loser, there sure are a lot of girls who actually do like him.
     
  18. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I've noticed the least toxic relationship he has with any of the other human characters are from Linus, and Peppermint Patty's crew. I've always been confused by the fact that there's at least 3 people (and a dog) that like him a lot, and it feels like he focuses on those who either have a complicated relationship with him or don't feel strongly enough either way.

    I'd imagine that Chuck has complicated feelings with Peppermint Patty because she's so forward and assertive enough to almost be aggressive. But then again, the strip is about no one really being happy, except for Snoopy who's always escaping reality. Heh. The comic strip was always pretty depressing. All love was unrequited, Charlie Brown could never get his stuff together, the wisest person in the strip is so insecure himself he carries around a blanket.
     
  19. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    It seems like Schroeder is nice to him as well. Especially with Schroeder being the one to stand up for Charlie Brown in Be My Valentine Charlie Brown.

    Though I'm remembering a scene from You're a Good Man, Charlie Brown. Can't remember if it's in the special, but my middle school library had a book of the script, and I recall one part where Charlie Brown and Lucy list people who don't like him. It stuck out to me that he listed Linus (really???), but I think he also listed Schroeder as well.

    I've noticed that in Happy New Year, Charlie Brown, Charlie Brown struggles with having to do a book report on War and Peace during holiday break, but in The Peanuts Movie, he does his book report on that same book, waiting until the weekend to even pick a book (which Marcie refers to as the best literature there is, but also questions if he really wants to read it), and doesn't have as much trouble spending the whole weekend on that book.
     
  20. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I recently saw that Warner Home Video has given Peanuts the "...and Friends" treatment, having released "Charlie Brown and Friends", which is disc 2 of The 1970s Collection. I didn't realize this at first, though I thought it was weird to see that the "Peanuts in the 1970s" featurette was included. I especially thought it was weird to see "What a Nightmare Charlie Brown" included, since Charlie Brown is only in a little of that special (I thought that would be more appropriate for a potential "Snoopy and Friends" release). It took a few hours of thinking about this for it all to dawn on me that it was half of an existing release.
     


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