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The Chipmunks

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Yorick, Feb 15, 2011.

  1. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Wellp, ALVINNN's been renewed for two more seasons, which means that we'll have the same number of episodes as the 80s series had, even though their seasons were shorter and went on for more years.
     
  2. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I've made an observation about ALVINNN that, unlike previous incarnations of the Chipmunks, this one is clearly set within its own, self-contained universe, whereas previous ones were actually more grounded in reality.

    By that, I mean, in previous incarnations, the Chipmunks actually mingled with, or at the very least acknowledged the existence of actual, real-life celebrities: in the 60s, they put out an entire Beatles cover album; in the 80s, they had a crossover with Mr. T, sang with Dolly Parton, Alvin danced with Michael Jackson, Eleanor discussed Cher's love life; that Rockin' Through the Decades special had all kinds of celebrity guests; and even that "Chat with Alvin" track mentions Alvin was interviewing Ross only because others like Tom Cruise, Cindy Crawford, Jim Carrey, Alanis Morrissette, and whoever else were unavailable. Not to mention there was also that episode about the Berlin Wall!

    ALVINNN, on the other hand, has generally avoided all of that. In fact, they've sort of gone the SST route in using generic, parody stand-in names for actual celebrities instead (such as "Lady Rah-Rah" mentioned in passing on occasion). Though, there was that one occasion where Alvin and Brittany were competing against each other to win an opportunity to meet Princess Kate - that may or may not count as an exception, but it's never explicitly explained if it's the actual Duchess of Cambridge, or an in-universe princess who happens to be named Kate.
     
  3. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I know I've brought this up before, but the recent string of new episodes is really driving it home moreso than ever - I'm starting to feel like ALVINNN is turning into an ED, EDD N EDDY-esque show in that almost all of the supporting characters are just flat-out unlikeable. Aside from the bullies (Derek and his posse, Bocarter the spoiled rich kid) the others barely have any redeeming qualities - Miss Croner suffers from Depending On What Kind of Mood Janice Karman's In As A Writer as to whether she's a Misunderstood Loner With A Heart Of Gold, or a Jerk With A Heart Of Jerk. Miss Smith is particularly bad: not only was it pretty unfair of her to threaten to cancel the entire school dance just because Alvin and Derek were fighting, but verbally punishing Brittany for injuring her leg was unnecessarily harsh and unsympathetic.

    But that in and of itself was an example of just how much Brittany has developed over the years, sneaking into school every night and cleaning up Jeanette's mess behind her back in spite of her injury . . . had this been the 80s cartoon, not only would Brittany had just let the messes pile up and not give a care, but she certainly wouldn't have taken on a position with so much responsibility in the first place.
     
  4. Flaky Pudding

    Flaky Pudding Well-Known Member

    Alice in Wonderland did it WAY before The Wizard of Oz.
     
  5. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    It feels like ALVINNN is already recycling its own plots over and over, because apparently an upcoming new episode has a plot that involves a video going viral . . . which has already been done twice: first with Theodore posting his new original song on a YouTube expy going viral and launching a successful act for himself; then there was the Chipettes posting that video of the Chipmunks being scared by a horror movie going viral and humiliating them for it. Now, apparently, we'll be getting an episode where the Chipettes post a video that goes viral and the Chipmunks try to top them.

    Kind of feels like it was becoming an every single thing on SST with a chicken mistaking Rocco for an egg trying to hatch it.
     
  6. Pig's Laundry

    Pig's Laundry Well-Known Member

    Oh, I completely forgot about that! I remember, even at four years old I was confused as to whether I was seeing the same episode over and over again. I guess it was the writers attempt at a running gag that just ended up not working.
     
  7. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    A few more synopsis for upcoming new episodes have been revealed today, and honestly, they all sound like more rehashes of old cartoon tropes: pulling the fire alarm, Rashomon (the 80s cartoon did this twice), finding a treasure map, wishing on a shooting star. . . .

    There's even going to be a Freaky Friday Flip episode, but, with a twist: one of the Chipmunks will switch bodies with one of the Chipettes.
    [​IMG]
     
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  8. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Uh-oh. Looks like certain countries, like the U.K., are starting to dump ALVINNN on Nicktoons . . . that's not a good sign. . . . :smirk:
     
  9. MikaelaMuppet

    MikaelaMuppet Well-Known Member

    Cancellation perhaps?
     
  10. mr3urious

    mr3urious Well-Known Member

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  11. MikaelaMuppet

    MikaelaMuppet Well-Known Member

  12. Pig's Laundry

    Pig's Laundry Well-Known Member

  13. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    It is, but there seems to be a lot of conflict over what episode is supposed to air on that day, because different sources are saying different titles.

    That being said, supposedly, more new episodes are returning in March, and as I said, a lot of summaries have recently been revealed, but they pretty much all sound like more typical cartoon tropes.
     
  14. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Seems to me that Nick in North America has kind of wised-up: ALVINNN is now a weekly series, and they're back to airing full new episodes, rather than split them in half a day at a time, which is what they should have done in the beginning.
     
  15. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Yup. I have a feeling ALVINNN is already seeing an early death, despite having been renewed for two more seasons: there's only one unaired episode left of the current season (one full half hour episode, that is), but Nick won't even air it, it'll be premiere on Nicktoons instead, at a completely random date and time (midnight on a Tuesday).

    I really think Nick made a mistake of making ALVINNN a daily series instead of a weekly series: clearly the show became an even bigger hit than even they figured, and then they started splitting the episodes in half to stretch them out over a longer period of time, but really, had they made ALVINNN a weekly series, they could have aired a new episode every week since its premiere in 2015 since the current two seasons totalled 52 full half hour episodes.
     
  16. Pig's Laundry

    Pig's Laundry Well-Known Member

    That's Nickelodeon for you. If the show isn't SpongeBob than it'll die a slow death starting with it's second season, whether it's popular or not.
     
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  17. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I seem to be in a minority here, but clearly the voices aren't as squeaky as they once were - and some people actually like that, they feel making the voices less squeaky makes the characters less annoying . . . and I suppose if sped-up voices aren't your bag, then that's understandable, but I mean the squeakiness is what the whole point of their voices were in the beginning. Alvin in particular is considerably less squeaky to the point it's often hard to discern his voice from Simon's.
     
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  18. Pig's Laundry

    Pig's Laundry Well-Known Member

    I'd say in the 60s it was the main draw for the characters, but ever since the 80s the characters and plots have been much stronger. So as long as the characters are themselves and their voices are basically the same, I think it's Ok if the pitch is just a tad deeper. I think their dialogue is actually a little easier to understand now, but maybe that's just me.
     
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  19. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    And ironically, that's actually a complaint that a lot of people have, in that since the 80s, the actual musical aspect of the franchise has taken a backseat to everything else, including character development and storytelling.

    The thing of it is, prior to the 80s, there was a time in television and fiction in general where character development was actually discouraged, mainly because in those days, nobody really gave thought or concern to continuity, so if characters remain the same, then shows could be seen in reruns and syndication in any order and there wouldn't be any noticable differences in the characters. This was especially true for finales: back then, shows were always discouraged from doing proper finales that wrapped up the entire series for fear that it would kill any chance the show had for an extended life in syndication . . . and all because THE FUGITIVE did this, and that apparently dug the show into its own grave.

    I digress, though. Character development did wonders for the Chipmunks and Chipettes, because they all started out as flat, one-note characters, and they all eventually became more rounded, fleshed-out, fully dimensional characters with believable/relatable personalities.
     
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